Thread: Why is dreamviews more liberal than society at large?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Getting back on track, I think nationalism is a ridiculous naivety. Why be proud of living in a geographical locality?

For the preservation of that locality and the culture existing within it. It's not about the geography, it's about the society. Each society has its own philosophy on the way life should be lived. This philosophy is encoded into the society with Tradition, making it Society's version of DNA. Whether or not a society is special or pretty there's one rule in nature: it must be capable of defending and sustaining itself.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

For the preservation of that locality and the culture existing within it. It's not about the geography, it's about the society. Each society has its own philosophy on the way life should be lived. This philosophy is encoded into the society with Tradition, making it Society's version of DNA. Whether or not a society is special or pretty there's one rule in nature: it must be capable of defending and sustaining itself.

Cultures/Societies are never hegemonic. The United States itself is so diverse that it is foolish to think that one culture rules its destiny. I mean its not even a tangible thing, it's an abstraction.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Cultures/Societies are never hegemonic. The United States itself is so diverse that it is foolish to think that one culture rules its destiny. I mean its not even a tangible thing, it's an abstraction.

Um. The United States definitely is a hegemony. But it doesn't sound like you know what the word means. It sounds like you think it means one ruling culture, a Hegemony is when one state controls all the others, The US controlling the Americas is a hegemony. Within the US borders, however, its a cultural warzone. Traditions that can't continue to prove their value over time are slowly being lost to more valuable ones. Just as our genes have junk DNA, our society has a lot of traditions, values and cultural diversity that are simply ignored by the controlling factors of the state. But they're still present and can have leverage in the right atmosphere. It's not a perfect metaphor. The point is our system is working on our behalf, and we're working on its behalf. This relationship is what allows this organism to continue to exist and not get destroyed by cancer or invasion.

Also I do not respond to people that break my posts apart. Find a cohesive means to respond to me.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Um. The United States definitely is a hegemony. But it doesn't sound like you know what the word means. It sounds like you think it means one ruling culture, a Hegemony is when one state controls all the others, The US controlling the Americas is a hegemony.

Really? Venezuela is the lap dog of the US right now huh? A hegemony isn't necessarily a state. It is a controlling/dominate power that can be applicable to culture. This servile White Nationalist probably thinks that America is just White, Protestant Christians thus his "nationalism." He thinks such people are a hegemonic force in the actions of the country. If he does believe this, then he is obviously delusional because what can be termed as "America" (the geographical location) has numerous individuals, each with ideas/thoughts.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Within the US borders, however, its a cultural warzone. Traditions that can't continue to prove their value over time are slowly being lost to more valuable ones. Just as our genes have junk DNA, our society has a lot of traditions, values and cultural diversity that are simply ignored by the controlling factors of the state. But they're still present and can have leverage in the right atmosphere. It's not a perfect metaphor. The point is our system is working on our behalf, and we're working on its behalf. This relationship is what allows this organism to continue to exist and not get destroyed by cancer or invasion.

What are these traditions and when are you going to show me where in American history the tradition of that fundamental value you were discussing before? Also why are you treating an abstraction like a living entity? Invasion? Cancer? Destroyed? On its behalf?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Also I do not respond to people that break my posts apart. Find a cohesive means to respond to me.

It's good grammar to break apart ideas that are separate from each other (Paragraphs). I also do this so people can't say I am missing a point they brought up. Perhaps if you broke up my statements into quotations, you would of actually responded to my question about the "fundamental value." This is of course assuming you have an answer.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Really? Venezuela is the lap dog of the US right now huh? A hegemony isn't necessarily a state. It is a controlling/dominate power that can be applicable to culture. This servile White Nationalist probably thinks that America is just White, Protestant Christians thus his "nationalism." He thinks such people are a hegemonic force in the actions of the country. If he does believe this, then he is obviously delusional because what can be termed as "America" (the geographical location) has numerous individuals, each with ideas/thoughts.




What are these traditions and when are you going to show me where in American history the tradition of that fundamental value you were discussing before? Also why are you treating an abstraction like a living entity? Invasion? Cancer? Destroyed? On its behalf?



It's good grammar to break apart ideas that are separate from each other (Paragraphs). I also do this so people can't say I am missing a point they brought up. Perhaps if you broke up my statements into quotations, you would of actually responded to my question about the "fundamental value." This is of course assuming you have an answer.

It's bad philosophy to break ideas apart that form a central thesis. It shows you have poor analytic skills when you cannot listen to a complete statement and formulate a complete response.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

It's bad philosophy to break ideas apart that form a central thesis. It shows you have poor analytic skills when you cannot listen to a complete statement and formulate a complete response.

So when you are writing a paper, you don't use paragraphs? Bad form I say but whatever, I'm not your teacher. It is not as if I am not forming complete responses. Your complaint was that I was breaking them up, not that I wasn't saying anything responsive. Anyways, are you actually going to respond to my statements? Or are you just going to make all these ridiculous platitudes about tradition?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

So when you are writing a paper, you don't use paragraphs? Bad form I say but whatever, I'm not your teacher. It is not as if I am not forming complete responses. Your complaint was that I was breaking them up, not that I wasn't saying anything responsive. Anyways, are you actually going to respond to my statements? Or are you just going to make all these ridiculous platitudes about tradition?

When I write a paper in response to someone else, I don't take all their quotes out of context and reply to them one by one. I ascertain the thesis of the argument and reply to it with my own thesis which breaks off into multiple paragraphs from there. You can reply to all my points separately but think in a more cohesive manner. Otherwise it's basically the same as a straw man, you're misconstruing someone's point by not seeing the forest through the trees. I honestly tried formulating a response to you but your so off base my argument there's not any point to it.