Thread: Why is dreamviews more liberal than society at large?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Calm down bro. I'm sorry if my vocabulary in describing evolution is upsetting to you. Please do your best to get over it.

Everything I said was an attempt to explain basic biology. You pulled this intelligent design claim you're referring to out of thin air.

Where does intelligent design come into this at all?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Where does intelligent design come into this at all?

I'm explaining how empathy, cooperation and intelligence are emergent phenomena derived from natural selection. You're telling me that my point is that all these organisms are strategizing their evolution. I'm saying cause and effect was accidental, you're saying that I'm saying it was purposeful.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I'm explaining how empathy, cooperation and intelligence are emergent phenomena derived from natural selection. You're telling me that my point is that all these organisms are strategizing their evolution. I'm saying cause and effect was accidental, you're saying that I'm saying it was purposeful.

No. I'm telling you your metaphor breaks down because the cells don't possess the intelligence to perform actions such as "acting selfishly" or "making agreements." I said nothing about purpose or intelligent design or anything of that sort. I don't know where you got any of that.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No. I'm telling you your metaphor breaks down because the cells don't possess the intelligence to perform actions such as "acting selfishly" or "making agreements." I said nothing about purpose or intelligent design or anything of that sort. I don't know where you got any of that.

I just explained to you that selfishness is the root factor of natural selection and you're still trying to act like there's some intelligence going on. There is no intelligence, selfish behavior is initially rewarded by evolution with any new species or new circumstances in the habitat. Organisms end up grouping together because this is evolutionarily most beneficial to the individuals grouping up. When this happens, it changes the game and evolution rewards the most cooperative. The reason behind this cooperation is still for the preservation of individuals within the whole.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No. I'm telling you your metaphor breaks down because the cells don't possess the intelligence to perform actions such as "acting selfishly" or "making agreements." I said nothing about purpose or intelligent design or anything of that sort. I don't know where you got any of that.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I just explained to you that selfishness is the root factor of natural selection and you're still trying to act like there's some intelligence going on. There is no intelligence, selfish behavior is initially rewarded by evolution with any new species or new circumstances in the habitat. Organisms end up grouping together because this is evolutionarily most beneficial to the individuals grouping up. When this happens, it changes the game and evolution rewards the most cooperative. The reason behind this cooperation is still for the preservation of individuals within the whole.

Gentlemen, I think we have a failure of communication here...