Thread: How could you change the world?

Originally Posted by Original Poster

It doesn't need to be realistic from a cynic's perspective. The idea in my mind is that trying to fight war to attain peace, elects good leaders to fill corrupt positions, etc. will never work. Ever. It may be unlikely from our narrow perspective that Satyagraha is possible but it's exactly the type of evolution we must undertake if we want to actually change the world rather than just argue about changing the world.

Again, note the fallacy. We are all expected to undertake to change the world without agreeing about what is to be changed.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Again, note the fallacy. We are all expected to undertake to change the world without agreeing about what is to be changed.

Dude. Accept the fallacy and throw in what you'd like to change, and how. Even though I specifically asked "Why change?" and got no answer, I was content to push the "world-changers" I've been fantacizing about for decades ... I'll bet you can do the same?

Originally Posted by Sageous

Dude. Accept the fallacy and throw in what you'd like to change, and how. Even though I specifically asked "Why change?" and got no answer, I was content to push the "world-changers" I've been fantacizing about for decades ... I'll bet you can do the same?

The first thing that I'd like to change is for people to be able to think clearly and not base their world views on fallacies. I'm not sure how to change that. Any ideas?

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

The first thing that I'd like to change is for people to be able to think clearly and not base their world views on fallacies. I'm not sure how to change that. Any ideas?

That may be a major change, I think, given that (as I sort of noted above), it is almost human nature to base world views on dimly-lit fallacies -- such a stance provides some thin cover from reality's steady, unpleasant rain. Clear thinking can be painful at first. Though ultimately it is well worth the effort, most people are unwilling to get past the pain; hence the fallacies. To answer your question, though, I think #8 of my list above would be an excellent first step, though a good dollop of #'s 7 & 8 might be needed as well...

Or, rather than concerning yourself with fallacies in a venue like this, you could do numbers 1 & 10 on my list above, and imagine for just the length of time it takes to read this thread that the other eight fallacies/fantasies I listed could happen. Then move on, and in the process let them have their world, clouded as it is with useless faith, baseless hope, and usually dead-wrong optimism. Walk away, confident that at least your vision is clear(ish), and that maybe your time playing their fallacious games cleared up someone else's vision just a little bit.

Or, perhaps, you could not take it all so seriously, PhilosopherStoned, and play along just for yucks. Sometimes it's fun, after all, and sometimes even ideas founded on fallacies grow into thoughts worth thinking. Sometimes the process of imagining "fallacious" solutions might just reveal the things we, or even the OP, might like to see changed. Or not; but it can still be fun -- so consider lightening up!

And again, this is all moot anyway, because as I suggested earlier, there's an excellent chance the world needs no changing anyway.