Thread: Fake CNN News Report

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I'm going to go through the three videos you posted in your response to Alric.

#1, the video from CNN.

This video doesn't look like it's from the Gulf War. That's because it isn't. In fact the video was uploaded to YouTube in 2011, a good 20 years after the Jaco report we've been discussing. A good 20 years after any restrictions were in place while Saudi Arabia was busy dealing with Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War. So this video, in my opinion, is entirely irrelevant.

#2, the video from the BBC.

Again, not at all from the Gulf War era. It's from a documentary released this year about a reporter's return to the country since he was shot in Riyadh in 2004. Irrelevant.

#3, the video of Gulf War footage in Saudi Arabia.

The video and video description doesn't tell us what organization obtained the footage of the Battle of Khafji. It also isn't a recording of a live broadcast. Did you misunderstand by what Alric and I meant by restrictions placed upon the media at the DIH?

I know that. I was illustrating the absurdity of the rule claim. Either it was not a rule or the networks got the Saudis to make the rule. They're in a war zone but are limited to where they can't film missiles or even the sky? But it wasn't a rule in other Saudi battle situations? The CNN clowns were not live. I showed you a second take of that Jaco segment.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

They look far enough away to walk behind to me. But to answer your question, yes, I can - post #6 in this thread.

I still don't see it. I am talking about exactly this: Attachment 5048

Get a very close look at that part of the hotel. Can you show me specifically that in a photograph in which the sky, the ground, or another building is showing? Shorter tree very close to hotel, right next to a bush.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Supposed to be combat going on -- In the immediate area, during the times when they were goofing around? Evidently not.

Could have always been under threat -- Could have, but does that stop people from goofing off between broadcasts? Evidently not.

On soldiers (and reporters) in warzones -- During their [soldiers'] downtime they can organize football games. If they're not under immediate threat of attack (or know of any), do they act totally serious the whole time? No. They goof off. Did the CNN team do that between broadcasts when they weren't under threat (or knew of any)? Evidently.

I explained that. Soldiers have an aggressive and wired up way of giving themselves entertainment in the face of pending battle. It's not the same kind of laid back silliness Jaco and the gang were into. They acted like they were backstage after a concert. They were in a city where they knew there would be combat, right by the airport... supposedly. But evidently not really.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I have no idea dude. The cameraman was, you know, behind the camera. If he kept doing what he was doing, maybe he felt safe enough to forego protecting himself. Maybe he realized nothing was really going on. Maybe he already had a helmet on. Here's the thing: we don't know for sure. How can you possibly deduce that the whole broadcast was faked based on what somebody you can't even see allegedly DIDN'T do? It makes no sense.

Edit while posting - I watched the part of the video where Jaco and Carl throw on their gas mask and helmet. If you notice, the camera hardly moves for what I counted as 10 solid seconds of the video. That was enough time for Jaco and Rochelle to get their gas mask and helmet on and stand there for a few moments. Why couldn't that be enough time for a cameraman to do the same?

Edit while posting 2 - Go to fucking 2:50 and listen closely to what Jaco is saying to Rochelle. He says at maybe 2:57 that "a lot of people have their respirators on just in case."

They show the camera man. He's a smiling young guy playing around with Jaco. He's not wearing a helmet or a gas mask when they show him. The camera moves some in that ten seconds. It doesn't have to move much, but it moves. You can hear the two clowns putting on their completely different types of gear (what a great action drama idea!), but you can't distinctly hear the camera man putting on anything although you can later hear the good time studio crew making noises without boom or body microphones. Obviously the camera guy wasn't putting anything on (what would his protection of choice be, knight armor?) because the camera kept moving. This is professional fucking wrestling.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

It's clear from the beginning of the video he was worried about poison gas. Maybe the other guy wasn't, but was instead worried about a missile landing nearby. Furthermore, we don't even know where the other guy came from. He just shows up on screen. Maybe he just came from an area that was more dangerous. Jaco states he "just came up" when he shows up on screen. If he was traveling to the hotel from another place, it'd make total sense for him to have a helmet. Again, we don't know. So I ask again, are you trying to argue that it was a hoax based on your amateur analysis of the nervous reactions of television reporters during a live broadcast covering a war?

Okay, so Charles Jaco is worried about poison gas but not shrapnel, and Carl is worried about shrapnel but not poison gas, and the rest of the studio is worried about nothing? And when Jaco put his gas mask on, that told Carl it was helmet time? But the camera man just kept moving the camera while they took their respective forms of safety measures?

I told you, it's just one more piece of the puzzle. Look at the big picture. Put it ALL together at once in your mind. It's absurd.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Onto the second video. Yes, I hear people in the background, so I'll amend my argument to say that you can hear people behind the scenes if they're talking. Does this mean your observation that we couldn't hear the cameraman talk or shuffle around for a mask or helmet because it was faked and he was in no real danger is a proper one? No. I imagine it's hard to hear much of anything except for what's closest to the microphone (in this case, Jaco and Rochelle) when there are air raid sirens going off.

You would be able to hear something. He was right by them. Jaco put on a gas mask, and Carl put on a helmet. Doesn't that mean it was time for the camera man to put on a life jacket or something? Maybe he was already wearing floaties.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

To your obnoxious blue text: how are you sure they were multiple takes of a live broadcast and not separate live broadcasts taken at different times? Are you relying on the quick titles placed in the video defining the cuts as "takes?" Who put those in the video, and how can you be sure it wasn't the person who uploaded the video, who, judging by the video title, had preconceived notions of the quality of Jaco's broadcasts?

That's how I explain it.

Same outfit, same spot, same story. So I guess he wasn't really live.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I don't know if they were common or uncommon either, but it's an international hotel. The Middle East has always been a popular news subject - is it unreasonable to assume that the hotel, or surrounding restaurants would offer hamburgers to people covering the major events in the Middle East? That hotel may have been accustomed to a more Western audience.

It's possible. This isn't exactly a smoking gun issue.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Two of your videos included the identical footage, except one was longer. The other two had nothing to do with the topic at hand, as I explained in the beginning of this post. You posted ONE photograph. Your points are dripping with confirmation bias.

The second video made the studio party audible and showed the second take of the same story. The Saudi Arabia videos show that people have been able to film the sky and the ground there even when there was battle going on. I posted two pictures. Even though you don't agree with my points, I have made them.

Originally Posted by juroara

that was a really good movie, please entertain me some more

Oh, there's lots of this stuff on YouTube. I'll give you a good one concerning another issue I've gotten into lately-- Sandy Hook. First, this is what a green screen does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key

Using a green screen can cause parts of objects to disappear from view when they are in certain positions. Now check out this video at 2:09 and 4:39.



Here's an old classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

A few more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzRwwtk7q8 (CNN again-- Apparently this crew wasn't allowed to film weapons either. At least they could film the ground and the sky.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ONQO0FDQQ (Hey, look what network this is!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FwvQYLKK98 (CNN and Fox using fake footage. CNN admits it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS1NWYV1i_E (More fake footage from Fox, and Hannity admits it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiq-o8fMHn0 (FEMA faked a news conference.)