Thread: Obamacare - WE ARE SCREWED

Originally Posted by juroara

But she also discovered something seriously disturbing when you sign up on the website. In order to enroll you have to sign away your computer privacy rights to just about every single government agency you can come up with. What the hell does monitoring your computer activity has to do with health care?

It sounds like maybe she just misunderstood the terms and conditions. Is this the part you're talking about?

Terms & Conditions

So that HealthCare.gov remains accurate and available to you and all other visitors, we monitor network traffic to identify unauthorized attempts to upload or change information or otherwise cause damage to the web service. Use of this system constitutes consent to such monitoring and auditing. Unauthorized attempts to upload information and/or change information on this web site are strictly prohibited and are subject to prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 and Title 18 U.S.C. Sec.1001 and 1030.

To continue, you must accept the terms and conditions. If you decline, your login will automatically be cancelled.

That's the message that pops up when you enroll. They're just letting you know they monitor the network traffic on their site. They're not snooping around your computer.

Anyway - you know there are exemptions based on income, right? If buying health insurance would cost you more than 8% of your income, you're not required to buy it, you're exempt from the fee.

For me, ACA's made health care more affordable, so I'm pretty pleased with it.

Originally Posted by Carabas

Anyway - you know there are exemptions based on income, right? If buying health insurance would cost you more than 8% of your income, you're not required to buy it, you're exempt from the fee.

So juroara was just spouting ignorant, nonsensical scare stories again, cool. Thanks for being the only person in this thread so far who could actually explain the bill.

Originally Posted by Carabas

It sounds like maybe she just misunderstood the terms and conditions. Is this the part you're talking about?

Terms & Conditions

So that HealthCare.gov remains accurate and available to you and all other visitors, we monitor network traffic to identify unauthorized attempts to upload or change information or otherwise cause damage to the web service. Use of this system constitutes consent to such monitoring and auditing. Unauthorized attempts to upload information and/or change information on this web site are strictly prohibited and are subject to prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 and Title 18 U.S.C. Sec.1001 and 1030.

To continue, you must accept the terms and conditions. If you decline, your login will automatically be cancelled.

That's the message that pops up when you enroll. They're just letting you know they monitor the network traffic on their site. They're not snooping around your computer.

I remember seeing something different, but im not interested in signing up so i don't wanna dig through the site. But I like how trusting you are of our government, as if they've never been caught snooping illegally on citizens.

Anyway - you know there are exemptions based on income, right? If buying health insurance would cost you more than 8% of your income, you're not required to buy it, you're exempt from the fee.

I forgot to make a post on that. But the math isn't adding up based on the accounts I've heard of ($200 a month suddenly jumping to $500). Even just 7% of someones income is a lot if they don't have the available money to begin with. These prices are still hitting people who are at about 15k a year. That's lower middle class. That's not even middle class. (my friend makes about 15k and will have to pay at least $150)

Even if these prices are CHEAPER in comparison to mainstream health insurance, its MANDATORY to pay up. That doesn't bother any of you? Its no longer a choice?

Also, isn't a new problem being created? Before having a higher income meant more available money. Now at some point its actually detrimental to seek out a higher income. At some point that $150 required payment is actually more like $500 a month. If you don't want to fork over $500 a month for some mandatory being alive fee, your solution is to get a cheaper job? Go part time?

That's how small businesses feel.

Also, the people who are exempted as I understand are simply going to be lumped into medicare/medicaid?

My city is a min. wage fest, so that's like 50% of my city easy. That's a bubble that will unfortunately burst. That money definitely has to come from some where, but taking it from the lower middle class and middle class who literally can't afford it isn't the answer either.

If the government is dead set on making healthcare affordable, why haven't they looked at the luxurious fees of hospital costs? 5 star hotels are cheaper than a hospital bed.

Why haven't they looked at the luxurious price of education and doctorates? Why haven't they asked if charging interest on top of interest on top of interest on top of interest for education is morally sound? Its all connected in this giant mess.

For me, ACA's made health care more affordable, so I'm pretty pleased with it.

I wish I could be pleased with it.

Smokers have to pay 150% of the price. What? Why? I don't smoke but, that's just wrong.
And if you suddenly get a bonus at the end of the year making your obamacare fees incorrect, what a headache.

And why is BIG BUSINESS being exempted from implenting obamacare until what, 2015? When big business can afford it, why are they exempt? You think this plan is for the little people?

This entire plan "force people to purchase private healthcare at increased fees" sounds like big business lobbied and screwed the shit out of the dream of a real universal healthcare system.

Originally Posted by juroara

Even just 7% of someones income is a lot if they don't have the available money to begin with. These prices are still hitting people who are at about 15k a year. That's lower middle class. That's not even middle class. (my friend makes about 15k and will have to pay at least $150)

Even if these prices are CHEAPER in comparison to mainstream health insurance, its MANDATORY to pay up. That doesn't bother any of you? Its no longer a choice?

Actually, your friend does have a choice. $150 a month is more than 8% of a 15k income. Unless there's a $100/month plan available, your friend qualifies for an exemption from the fee. They don't have to buy health insurance if they don't want to.