Thread: New study rules US an Oligarchy rather than a Democracy

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Then votes matter to politicians. Stop playing dodgeball.



Let's say that's how it works. Don't votes matter to the candidates once they are at the point of election?

Votes matter to the extent that they want to get elected, but once they're elected they don't give two shits about the voters. And your response will be that the voters will vote them out next election. Except that can never happen, because the candidates will always be chosen beforehand to suit the interests of the ruling class.

Originally Posted by cmind

Votes matter to the extent that they want to get elected, but once they're elected they don't give two shits about the voters. And your response will be that the voters will vote them out next election. Except that can never happen, because the candidates will always be chosen beforehand to suit the interests of the ruling class.

How does that prevent politicians from being voted out of office?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

How does that prevent politicians from being voted out of office?

Any given politician can be voted out, but the selection of alternatives will always be just as bad. It's like trying to cure acne by popping pimples.

Originally Posted by cmind

Any given politician can be voted out, but the selection of alternatives will always be just as bad. It's like trying to cure acne by popping pimples.

I agree with that, in terms of candidates that actually have hope of getting elected. What I am getting at in this thread is that the people still have the ultimate power through votes. Politicians obviously care about votes. That is because votes decide who gets into office and who stays in office. Voters are not using their power like they should, but that doesn't mean they don't have power. The people still have the ultimate power. They are just being fools with it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I agree with that, in terms of candidates that actually have hope of getting elected. What I am getting at in this thread is that the people still have the ultimate power through votes. Politicians obviously care about votes. That is because votes decide who gets into office and who stays in office. Voters are not using their power like they should, but that doesn't mean they don't have power. The people still have the ultimate power. They are just being fools with it.

Nope. If the people somehow got the solidarity to use votes to elect someone fully outside the establishment (which is a statistical impossibility with such a large electorate), the government would simply ignore those votes, rig the election, etc. You simply don't get it. And I doubt you ever will, being as brainwashed as you are.

Originally Posted by cmind

Nope. If the people somehow got the solidarity to use votes to elect someone fully outside the establishment (which is a statistical impossibility with such a large electorate), the government would simply ignore those votes, rig the election, etc. You simply don't get it. And I doubt you ever will, being as brainwashed as you are.

You just went childish on me again. How old are you? I have illustrated clearly that politicians care a lot about votes. They spend millions of dollars and go on speech marathons that exhaust them to try to get the votes they need. Can you prove that elections would be rigged and votes wouldn't count if a non-establishment person were a candidate? No, you can't. What we do know is that most of the voters get all boned up about the Republocrat candidates, even when they majorly disagree with both of them. That is the problem.