Thread: ISIS and the future of the Middle East

Since i'm from the middle east I like to think this place is like the second law of thermodynaics: it tends towards chaos!

Originally Posted by HeWhoShapes

Since i'm from the middle east I like to think this place is like the second law of thermodynaics: it tends towards chaos!

So many foreigners from West join ISIS. Intelligence worry they would be trouble when they return to the country. Are you on of them?

Originally Posted by katsung47

So many foreigners from West join ISIS. Intelligence worry they would be trouble when they return to the country. Are you on of them?

Yes, he's one of them. Recent reports suggest that he may even be two of them.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

Yes, he's one of them. Recent reports suggest that he may even be two of them.

Damn, iv'e been foiled! we will destroy you infidels!!!!!


yeah,no

No, hey, I'm terrified! Really I am! Anybody else…. ? No? I think you need to work on your delivery a bit.

100s of US troops, CIA agents helping ISIL in Syria, Iraq: Don DeBar
Aug 30, 2014

An American political commentator says there are hundreds of US troops or CIA agents with the ISIL in Iraq and Syria to help the terrorist group.

Don DeBar, an anti-war activist and radio host in New York, made the remarks in a phone interview with Press TV on Wednesday while commenting on a recent report which says there are as many as 300 American nationals fighting alongside ISIL members.

Senior US officials have told The Washington Times that the US government is currently tracking and gathering intelligence on American militants who could return to the homeland and commit terrorist attacks with skills obtained abroad.

DeBar said the ISIL “group is a construct of the US military intelligence. This is a terrorist cell that was organized by the US in order to destabilize Syria and perhaps other countries – they even made a threat against Saudi Arabia whether that’s just to make them look like they are on a particular ideological plane, or if it’s an actual threat, it’s a proxy threat from the US to Saudi Arabia.”

PressTV - 100s of US troops, CIA agents helping ISIL in Syria, Iraq: Don DeBar

Thousands of Western Nationals have indeed flocked to ISIS, and there are "Sharia Police" brown shirts popping up in Germany, and probably elsewhere as well. Make no mistake, this conflict means to swallow us all, but it's a culture war at heart. Troops on the ground would play into CIA hands (and by extension the International Banking and Energy Cartels) because they want World War 3, it presents the perfect opportunity to alter the political landscape of the developed world toward fascism. That's why the CIA is working with the Muslim Brotherhood, so a culture war can swallow up the developed world and give it the perfect excuse to bring the hammer of tyranny down to save Western Society from the Jihadists.

This seems likely, to uninformed me (haha - not that anybody would care what I think). It turns out the reason rescuers at Benghazi were told to stand down while the embassy burned and Americans died is because the CIA had a large operation going on there that they wanted to keep secret. Or so we're being told now anyway. And much of what's happening on the world stage and being scaremongered via media does fit that idea. Yep America, I think it's about time to kiss your vaunted freedoms goodbye.

The thing is, this is still all very speculative, what we know is that Qatar used foreign aid money to fund ISIS and that they lobbied via think tanks such as brookings doha to convince policy makers to give them this funding. This removes the necessity to include the CIA because it shows that the US government is so corrupt its enemies can lobby for investments now right alongside tobacco and factory farms

So said democracy country US is a covert totalitarian. The real ruler is the Pantagon (DOD) and intelligence (DOJ). The strategy they used is to manipulate two opposite parties - to make advantage from the dispute of the two rival parties. In US, that's Demo and GOP. In foreign countries, if there is no opposite party such like Iraq, Libya, US had to overturn the regime by war when the rulers were disobedient. Then they also cultivate terrorist group such like Taliban, Al Qaida and now ISIL which they used as a whip to push for their own project. 911 was used to achieve their purpose of "war in Mid-east" and domestic facist ruling by "patriot Act", "Homeland security".

ISIS case is used to distract the slaughter in Gaza. When people were astonished by the sudden rising up of IS and their violence, Israel has covertly eliminated large part of HAMAS. Did ISIS do anything on US puppet Iraq government? No, they stopped any development in Iraq, but turn onto the Syria where Assad is the real enemy of the US.

Here is the best story for it:

IS militants vow to 'de-throne' Putin over Syria support
9/3/2014

Moscow (AFP) - Islamic State militants have issued a threat to President Vladimir Putin, vowing to oust him and "liberate" the volatile North Caucasus over his support of the Syrian regime.

IS militants vow to 'de-throne' Putin over Syria support

The Covert Origins of ISIS [UPDATED 9.03.14]

28.Aug.2014 | SCG

The fact that the CIA was actively working to help the Libyan rebels topple Gaddafi was no secret, nor were the airstrikes that Obama ordered against the Libyan government. However, little was said about the identity or the ideological leanings of these Libyan rebels. Not surprising, considering the fact that the leader of the Libyan rebels later admitted that his fighters included Al-Qaeda linked jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq.

These jihadist militants from Iraq were part of what national security analysts commonly referred to as Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Remember Al-Qaeda in Iraq was ISIS before it was rebranded.

With the assistance of U.S. and NATO intelligence and air support, the Libyan rebels captured Gaddafi and summarily executed him in the street, all the while enthusiastically chanting "Allah Akbar". For many of those who had bought the official line about how these rebels were freedom fighters aiming to establish a liberal democracy in Libya, this was the beginning of the end of their illusions.

The Covert Origins of ISIS [UPDATED 9.03.14] | SCG News

September 02, 2014

by TomDispatch

How America Made ISIS

Their Videos and Ours, Their “Caliphate” and Ours
Despite those dramatic videos of al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, that organization had no military force worth the name, and despite what you’ve seen on “Homeland,” no sleeper cells in the U.S. either; nor did it have the ability to mount follow-up operations any time soon.

In other words, while the Bush administration talked about “draining the swamp” of terror groups in up to 60 countries, the U.S. military was dispatched against what were essentially will-o’-the-wisps, largely representing Washington’s own conjured fears and fantasies. It was, that is, initially sent against bands of largely inconsequential Islamic extremists, scattered in tiny numbers in the tribal backlands of Afghanistan or Pakistan and, of course, the rudimentary armies of the Taliban.

How America Made ISIS | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

Iraq War Vet: US Camps Became 'Terrorist Universities' for ISIS

Thursday, 16 Oct 2014
U.S. military detainment camps in Iraq became universities for terror when hardcore radical Muslims who were jailed with moderate, nonviolent Iraqis used the opportunity to intimidate and browbeat them into becoming fanatical terrorists, according to a U.S. Iraq War veteran.

Today, many of those who once were in U.S. custody are back on the frontlines, fighting for the Islamic State (ISIS) to establish a radical Muslim caliphate in the Middle East.

The charges come from Andrew Thompson, who spent time in Iraq as a compound intelligence officer at Camp Cropper in 2009 where, he told CNN News, the radical prisoners actually ran the prison, forcing the often illiterate, moderate, and less threatening prisoners to obey their orders, while U.S. authorities did nothing to stop them.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Iraq War Vet: US Camps Became 'Terrorist Universities' for ISIS

ISIL terrorist leader is CIA agent: Chechen president

23rd October 2014
Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov says the ISIL terrorist group’s leader, Ibrahim Samarrai who is known by the alias Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, works for the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and is financially supported by western secret services.

“Baghdadi should take off his mask and declare loudly and clearly that he is a CIA agent, that he has been recruited,” Kadyrov said on Tuesday, adding, “They (the ISIL militants) are Shaitans (devils) and their sole obsession is to grab as much money as they can lay hands on. They are acting on orders from the West and deliberately exterminating Muslims.”

ISIL terrorist leader is CIA agent: Chechen president *|*Isha Wararka Xaqiiqada ah ee Puntland

Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An ‘American Myth’
10/16/2014
The Syrian Ambassador to India claimed that ISIS was an American invention on Wednesday, among other controversial remarks.

“ISIS is an American myth, which gets direct support from Tayyip Erdogan’s [the president] Turkey and is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar,” according to Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas. “Al Qaeda appeared in Syria after the US invaded Iraq. Before that there was no al Qaeda in Syria. It is clear that al Qaeda was created by the US and it is supporting ISIS.”

Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An

US have the best power of air control. It eliminated Saddam's and Kaddafi's air force easily at the early stage of war. IS had only three captured fighters. Why it's Syria's air force not US and its allies' that destroyed IS' airplanes?

Syria Claims It Destroyed Jets Seized By ISIS
Reuters : 10/22/2014


(Reuters) - Syria's air force has destroyed two fighter jets operated by Islamic State militants in the north of the country, Information Minister Omran Zoabi said in remarks published on Syria's state news agency SANA late on Tuesday.

A Syrian monitoring group said on Friday that Iraqi pilots trained under former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had joined Islamic State and were conducting training flights in three captured fighter jets at a air base in Aleppo province.

Syria Claims It Destroyed Jets Seized By ISIS

ISIS was originally created to fight against Syria's Assad. Assad regime is a hard rock, so the ISIS turns onto Iraq. Iraq's govetrnment is a puppet set up by the US. It is so corrupt that once attacked by the ISIS, Iraqi miliitary collapsed. That's the sudden rise of the ISIS. To save the puppet Iraq government, US has to activate it air force to support Iraqi army.

Still, US wants ISIS aiming at Syria's Assad. That's why US didn't touch the only three jets ISIS had had. They hope ISIS could use it to attack Syria's army. Realizing it would be a threat, Syria's air force destroyed the jets ISIS owned. That's the story.

America Never Intended to Defeat The Islamic State (ISIS)

By Tony Cartalucci

Global Research, November 20, 2014

Considering the hysteria generated by ISIS’ alleged global exploits, it should then be infinitely curious to readers who happen across US policymakers claiming that ISIS may pose a threat, but constitutes by far a lesser threat than Iran or Syria – the two principle nations leading the real fight against ISIS and its international sponsors. Furthermore, US policymakers claim there is no urgency to defeat ISIS, and it should instead be “contained.” Of course, this “containment” will be within states targeted by US-backed regime change – serving as a convenient agent of destruction, destabilization, and perhaps even regime change itself.


Image: A growing chorus among US policymakers and the Western media are claiming that ISIS poses a minimal threat even amid simaltaneous efforts to ratchet up public hysteria. The West also claims it is no longer necessary to “defeat” ISIS and it should instead be “contained” – instead nations targeted for regime change by the US, allowed to continue fighting America’s enemies by proxy … or in other words, ISIS should continue serving as the West’s private mercenary army.

America Never Intended to Defeat The Islamic State (ISIS) | Global Research

Do you plan on achieving anything katsung? You know your presentation keeps everybody from reading your posts, so you're only wasting your time, right? By all means continue, but I think your efforts are currently all for naught.

Earlier this month Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, told the Beirut-based pan-Arab TV station al-Maydeen all current al-Qaeda affiliates, including ISIS, work for the CIA.

Islamic State cedes little ground despite air attacks
By Dominic Evans and Oliver Holmes 12/4/2014
Islamic State cedes little ground despite air attacks

NSA Doc Reveals ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi is U.S., British and Israeli Intelligence Asset

NSA documents add more detail to plan to destabilize Middle East

According to a document recently released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset.

The NSA document reveals the United States, Israel, and Britain are responsible for the creation of ISIS.

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