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      There is a third party to vote for in the U.S. presidential election-- the Libertarian Party.

      I am a member of the Libertarian Party, and I think this might possibly be the year we go mainstream and end the two party stalemate. The Democratic Party candidate is hated by most Americans, and the Republican Party candidate is hated by most Americans. Because of that, a lot of Americans are leaning toward voting for someone other than those two candidates. The only other candidate who will be on all 50 state ballots is Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate. He was the governor of New Mexico for two terms, and he did an excellent job. He is not the ultimate Libertarian candidate, but the need to end the two party system is much bigger and more important than Gary Johnson. For me, this year is not so much about Gary Johnson. It is about the Libertarian Party. However, I think Johnson is by far the best candidate running.

      To sum up what we are, we are extremely liberal on social and foreign policy issues and extremely conservative on economic and gun rights issues.

      https://www.lp.org/platform



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      Hey, Libertarian thoughts on economy, politics and society has influenced me greatly and I think very highly of this "philisophy"
      But i do not think you guys in US will even consider third party candidate.
      Seeing how far right, insane leaders and parties are growing stronger each year across the world ( Poland, France UK) Im convinced that america will follow that trend.
      I mean 'cmon there were like, what, 20 republican candidates at the start, and now look what happend. Trump destroyed them all.
      Take a look at this video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I
      the author makes very intresting and informative videos regarding
      psychology, power, and influence.
      Although he himself isnt Trump supporter he sees clearly that it is the Trump, who will be elected president in November.

      Just my two cents.

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      I think this will be a great election for Libertarians! I don't know if they will win simply because not enough voters even know much about them or are willing to change from what they are used to. I think at the very least they will get record numbers of votes for a third party which may lead to them getting even more recognition in the next election.

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      Although he himself isnt Trump supporter he sees clearly that it is the Trump, who will be elected president in November.
      Even if Trump has a lot far right supporters I don't think there are nearly enough moderate republicans who will vote for him. I think the whole there is no such thing as bad publicity has helped him but that can only get you so far. Everyone I have talked to says they hate the candidates on both side but they hate Trump even more.
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      I ve talked with some people from US too, and they all claimed they will vote for Trump because he is: 'lesser evil".

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      Why do people think that Trump is conservative. He is an isolationist and protectionist, and a union-loving populist. I just voted for Cruz last night, managed to come in third here in California. For the first time under our top two for other offices the Senate Race will be two democrats Harris(D) vs Sanchez(D) so guess Boxer's seat is safely in Democrat hands for the next senate. As a result It won't really matter who I vote for in the General Election, I think here in California, Hillary could campaign in an Orange Jump Suit and Hand Cuffs and win handily. Only a few states matter in most elections, I'm glad to see that in this one there might be more states in play, can Trump win enough who knows, I'll be voting GOP except obviously for Senate where I will vote only if the GOP endorses Sanchez as the lesser of two evils.

      Do I want Tarrifs on Foreign good, hell no, do I want a pro-Union president no! Don't fool your self a vote for a libertarian in this state is about as worthless as voting for a republican. However in close states, A vote for Libertarian is a vote for Clinton (except in some where it could be a vote for Trump).

      In the Senate Primary no Republican got even 10% and no Libertarian got even 1.5%
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      What does it mean- pro-union?

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      In the US it is illegal to price fix, that is when a group of sellers get together and say hey Hunter491 your the only other gas station owner in town, and the nearest town is 50 miles away on the highway, what do you say to $6.50 a gallon?

      but wage fixing is legal Unions are organizations that try to get workers to vote for contracts where everyone makes some particular wage etc.

      Unions usually go for Democrats about 80:20 but it looks like they might go for Trump about 60+ %

      This is largely because Unions make goods made in the US un-competitive, but if you Tarrif goods from say Poland making a Rem-Dreamer cost about say $500+ after an Import fee (instead of its current cost of < $200 open market), then suddenly U.S. goods will seem cheap in comparison

      In reality if Trump wins it may be related to another type of goods control by Hillary, if we assume Trump can carry Florida (if he can't he likely can't win), then the election would likely come down to him winning two other states Ohio and Pennsylvania, of course Trump must campaign in states like Nevada and New Mexico and other swing states. But in Ohio and Pennsylvania, it is the single good of Coal (possibly with fracking Natural Gas etc) that may elect him President, this would largely be because Clinton want's to basically make mining Coal and Gas economically impossible. Since nearly all high wage union jobs around there are at stake they will likely be the swing voters that could tip the scales.
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      I watched the LNC a few weeks ago and was relieved to see they picked Weld as Johnson's running mate. I'm skeptical of him (he had trouble explicitly saying he wouldn't betray the LP by jumping ship after the election, though he said he's a LP member "for life" earlier in his nomination speech) but it's hard to deny that having a relatively popular former (R) governor of a (D) state will help Johnson the LP gather support.

      Having the purists in the LP is both a blessing and a curse. They'll keep the outright frauds out, but they have trouble supporting decent candidates who will help the party grow. They'd rather vote for wildcards like Austin Petersen or goofy weirdos like Darryl Perry.

      I certainly don't expect Johnson to be elected (the general voting population is too irrational, which means we'll be stuck with the horrors of either Trump or Clinton for the next 4 years), but with Johnson polling in the double digits lately, it's looking likely that he'll be allowed into the debates and the LP will get both support and money to use for the next election.

      Whether you agree with Johnson's ideas or not, the worst you could say about him is that he's kinda goofy when talking to the press.
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      ^ Exactly my view.
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      I'm more libertarian than I am anything else. I wasn't really aware of the existence of the libertarian party, although I was sure something like it was around. That kind of highlights the problem right there though, they have no coverage whatsoever. Nobody really knows about them unless they specifically go looking or happen across a random thread on some internet forum (like me). Then again, I haven't really watched the news much in the last year so they could've been mentioned and I'm just unaware of it, sorry if that's the case. Regardless, if they actually stood a chance of winning for once, it would be worthwhile to vote for them. Unfortunately they either don't have the means or simply choose not to put themselves in the limelight, or something else is going on. The abysmal lack of awareness and public attention regarding their existence is why they have such little influence, at least as I see it. That being said, being so unaware of what I'm talking, I admit that I could be wrong... I may just be mistakenly assuming that because I didn't know there was actually an official libertarian party member that would be on the ballot this year. There's typically a third party candidate, but that doesn't automatically mean they're libertarian.

      In any case, I hope the way Trump became so popular of a candidate changes politics in the future. The republican party hasn't been true to the citizens that are fellow party members for a long time now, and haven't been a very cohesive, nor a very effective influence in politics (at least when it comes to what republicans want). I'm hoping it will fuck up the whole 2 party thing (that's asking a lot though)--at the very least it'll hopefully cause some changes in both parties.

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      Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
      There's typically a third party candidate, but that doesn't automatically mean they're libertarian.
      There are third party candidates every election. There are libertarian candidates every election.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Descensus View Post
      There are third party candidates every election. There are libertarian candidates every election.
      Well then I'm just unobservant or have never cared enough to notice that the third party candidates are always libertarian, my bad.

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      Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
      Well then I'm just unobservant or have never cared enough to notice that the third party candidates are always libertarian, my bad.
      They're not all libertarians. There isn't one big third party. To be considered a third party, you just can't be a Democrat of Republican.

      You could be in the Libertarian Party. You could be in the Green Party. You could be in the Independent Party. The Constitution Party. Communist Party. Pick one.
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