Thread: The Eternity of the Resurrection

Originally Posted by Elias0returned

There is an entire article at wikipedia devoted to misinformation regarding the matter, and even wiki, as I've stated, plays host to its own errors.

Things have been as Jesus said they would be, that there would be so many false prophets that if it were possible even the Elect would be led astray.

Understanding what Jesus means by the Elect is important :

The Elect - Matthew 24:21-22; 22:14

Many have been the notions and opinions of what the Second Coming is, but the precise day was foretold in the Book of Daniel.

In terms of the General Resurrection of the Dead, it came exactly as Jesus had foretold it would be :

The intellect and the return of the Son of Man :

Soo... Jesus said that there was going to be a secret resurrection, and that upon His return to us, no one would notice, unless they read the Book of Daniel? That seems very odd; I'm reasonably versed in the Gospels, and I don't' remember Him expressing things that way. Also, I'm pretty sure Matthew didn't say that only the chosen -- the Elect -- would know about the Resurrection and Second Coming, but rather that the events would be world-rending... it might be a mess, but the world is about as rent now as it's ever been (it's even in much less of a mess than it was, say, during WWII), and isn't any worse now than it was 6 weeks ago. What am I missing?

Even if non-believers might not be privy to the resurrection, wouldn't they be able to notice a change in the world around them pretty quickly without reading specific prophecies? Changes like that general resurrection of the dead (i.e., lots of empty graves), and the presence of God Himself among them in the form of His Son?

I'm not trying to be rude here, and respectfully: If things as huge as the 2nd Coming and the resurrection of the dead have happened, why is there no obvious sign at all of their passage? They really don't seem like events that need to be shrouded in secrecy, or can only be interpreted by the initiated few; should they be?

I would also really appreciate it if you would actually answer these questions yourself, rather than offer up more scripture or vague Wikipedia references, because, again, things this huge should have risen above the need for references, I think.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Soo... Jesus said that there was going to be a secret resurrection, and that upon His return to us, no one would notice, unless they read the Book of Daniel? That seems very odd; I'm reasonably versed in the Gospels, and I don't' remember Him expressing things that way.

I'm going to stop you right there.

Don't go putting words into my mouth.

I might read the rest of your post later.

Originally Posted by Sageous

What am I missing?

The realization of what Jesus meant when He said that there would be many who would lead astray and that there would be so many that they would lead astray even the Elect "if that were possible".

Christ is also stating in other terms that it is impossible to lead astray the Elect.

There isn't any assumption in that.

Knowing that it is impossible He included the words "if that were possible", to stress the preponderance of what is also called the "mass apostasy" in the New Testament Epistles.

I've seen one video attempting to portray the rapture that uses the overkill of a crash of thunder at peak amplitude audio to scare the listener, then shows an immediate disappearance of several people from a church meeting.

There are also gobs and gobs of similar scare tactic interpretations which lack the real meaning of the prophecies.

World War III has ended, it spanned from May 8, 1981 A.D. to May 7, 2016 A.D.

MARIAN APPARITION, THE LADY OF ALL NATIONS

Originally Posted by Sageous

Even if non-believers might not be privy to the resurrection, wouldn't they be able to notice a change in the world around them pretty quickly without reading specific prophecies?

The Church has prayed "world without end".

In that regard, there might be less noticed change.

There are many things that can be seen as signs in the heavens and the earth.

The advancements in the sciences in the last 100 years alone tell a tale of a much different world than when Jesus walked among us.

Christ said, "Search ye the Scriptures."

Realizing what is happening might not be as easy as one might think that to be, yet then again, it might be easier.

Christ quoted the Book of Daniel, a book which was closed and sealed until "the time of the end". (cf. Daniel 12:4 & 9)

The particulars of its opening and unsealing have only come to light since 2012 A.D.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Changes like that general resurrection of the dead (i.e., lots of empty graves), and the presence of God Himself among them in the form of His Son?

One would think that, but on the other hand, if the mass apostasy precedes such things, how could one expect anyone to notice?

God has created His living temples, and He uses those living temples in the process of the resurrection.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I'm not trying to be rude here, and respectfully: If things as huge as the 2nd Coming and the resurrection of the dead have happened, why is there no obvious sign at all of their passage? They really don't seem like events that need to be shrouded in secrecy, or can only be interpreted by the initiated few; should they be?

I speak more easily about their passage now than I once did, or didn't to be more precise.

I have had multiple assaults upon my person which at times have greatly impaired even me thinking of them.

I don't see them as shrouded in secrecy but protected by Divine Providence.

As to no obvious sign, Jesus said it would be that way, like a thief in the night.

I have written many times of the hour that I began to breathe again one deep of the night / early morning hour on June 25, 1956 A.D.

I had been dead for approximately 1,925 years but I didn't know that, I didn't know most of what had been recorded in the Harmonious Gospels, and I didn't know I was resurrected.

But I do now.