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    Thread: A simple answer for a stupid atheist question!

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      Cool Phenomena "Ghost" and Atheism Big Question

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      The Question:

      If a ghost exists, why nobody return to say "hey I'm back"?

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      I receive this inspiration during in those so called "Power naps". The answer is more simple than one can think about it.
      When we die, for some reason we lose our everyday memory and they are replaced with false memory. So if we don't have our memories anymore, there will be no urge to return home. The evidence is in our dreams, when we fall asleep, we lose our everyday memory as well and have false memory instead, that is why we can't recognize a dream as a dream. Some scientist even say that the closest thing to dying is falling asleep.

      As for "Ghost phenomena" to occur, some of us have part of their memory left intact(to know they are dead - they become lucid ^^), but ghosts reside in the astral plane, which is here but on a higher level. So our plane and astral plane are in contact with each other, so that is why we can't see them clearly. And one need to have stronger energy to access our plane and disturb the folks.
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      I will support you Dear Sir, but be careful not to anger the hive of bees around here or you will be stung!
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      Quote Originally Posted by StarSeeker View Post
      I will support you Dear Sir, but be careful not to anger the hive of bees around here or you will be stung!
      Lol thanks, but I will take my chances
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      Lol no responses at all and I was thinking lucid dreamers are more open minded, I guess I was wrong, silly me.
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      I think the main problem might be that this place is pretty much a ghost town these days.



      There seem to only be a few posts made each day – not much activity on any thread. Heh - if you had made this post a few years back I would probably have tackled it (and dozens of others would too) - but things have changed for me since then. Plus I actually kind of like your idea.

      (edit) – And it's not really aimed at atheists but materialists.
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      I like to think of death as an innevitable event causing a major disruption or change in the "narrative of your ego".

      We live our days tied to a narrative.. "the world is so and so, I am so and so, when I die so and so will happen, my relationship to other people is this and that, this is important, this is good, this is evil"... etc. The narrative is incredibly difficult to break. I find that even if I can rationalize that it must be wrong, I keep tied to it. Because it is so vast and because my ego is defined in relationship to it.

      The materialism Darkmatters mentions is one of the basic, and commonly shared aspects of narrative among humans. A very fundamental, and difficult narrative to break free from. "the physical world". At some point in time, the physical world was an unprovable concept in the head of a philosopher. Now it is undoubtable truth.

      Death disrupts or resets the narrative to a degree depending on the nature of your afterlife, and largely, as you were talking about, it's effect on your memory.

      Maybe you wake up on a couch as an alien with a bong in your hand... or maybe you forget everything and float around without a body... or maybe, you return to a checkpoint and forget that you died... or a game over screen pops up and you log out and go eat breakfast in a "higher" reality... maybe you go to heaven... or hell, or maybe you are reborn as a chinese baby girl... or a ghost... Either way... the narrative takes a big turn.

      BUT. It's a narrative, a framework and story to help you interpret your experience and make it engaging. The basic reality never changed... you are still in the same overarching dream, the same position of experiencing reality, the same here and now. You never went anywhere, nor did the universe. It just changed it's colors, it's dance, it's performance, it's music, it's story, through a mystical transition foretold by your narrative. The illusion of death.


      I expect, and I don't really feel like going into why right now, that these things are personalized, that anything can happen.. that there is no single fate awaiting humans upon death, but rather infinite variation. I am under the impression that the universe enables and enjoys variation. That on a basic level, it's purpose is entertainment.

      Keeping your memory through death would enable you to bear witness to the change in narrative. If I were to die today I would hope to experience that.
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      I agree with the idea, why not? It's more logical to presume something like this than think that ghosts even if they exist should comply with someone's expectations of them, it's hilarious
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      Lol so I'm yelling out loud in a ghost town, maybe God will hear me. May God bless the dead.
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      I've had dreams about my deceased father, my sister says she has too, and that is a way of saying hello back.

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