Thread: Lsd - A Drug

Originally Posted by Leo

There are Legal Drugs that are close to the LSD experience -- making you feel ill before the 'trip' begins, and then having that powerful sense of Self Expansion and Realization. The best I have 'heard of' are Space Cadets and Druids Fantasy. See the site below or just search up Space Cadets and Druids Fantasy... they are widely distributed.
http://www.tokacola.com/cannabis-seeds/her...ighs/index.html
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Such experiences may be valuable for a few times, but if you can remember your insights and leave it at that, you will be better off. Why? Well, there REALLY is that sickening feeling that one experiences before almost all Psychodelic Experiences. You can honestly feel like you have been poisoned and are ready to die... if you take a dose powerful enough to work well. Yes, the sick feeling is only temporary, and one does indeed have a good time. But afterwards, when one contemplates doing it again, one remembers the sick feeling and decides "Been there, Done that".

Besides.... Seeing God once --- GREAT! Seeing God twice --- well that's what he looked like the first time. One really does not need to repeat these kind of experiences.

Oh, but if one should decide to dabble with these things, then don't waste it on partying with your friends. They will distract you from the important work that you could be doing.

Do what the Early Programs had done -- prepare yourself beforehand. Read some spiritual books ("Autobiography of a Yogi" is a good one)... or find a good translation of the Bhagavad Gita. When your head is in a real spiritual place, then do some Space Cadets or Druids Fantasy. In the old days LSD, laced with speed would trip you the whole darn night. But the Space Cadets and Druids Fantacy are more reasonable at about 3 or 4 hours. When you see God, tell Him I said 'Hi'.
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It's not often that I agree with you Leo,
but now I do.
Indeed Experiencing such experiences a few times in your life is all you need to be able to enjoy the memories and insights for a life time: There's no logical ''need'' to do it frequently and doing it frequently would just mess up your Psyche slowly, making you a drug-weirdo. Sure I do take huge leaps of faith into the Unknown sometimes: I did mushrooms 3 times now and don't plan on doing them again any time soon. I've made a promise with a friend that we would eat his entire Mescaline Containing San Pedro Cactus together. And the only other Psychedelic Experience I have in Mind and plan to do is smoking Crystalised DMT.

I'm not like: I wanna try EVERYthing that ''f*cks me up''.
I'm more into sometimes experiencing a certain change in State of Mind. A Psychedelic one preferably.
I gained lots of Positive Intellectual and Sentimental/Emotional Insights from my Mushroom Trips. But the joy and memory of them last forever. And they are also hidden away in details in most of my latest drawings.

In time I will smoke DMT one day I decide I'm ready for it. It is wise to do, as I do, Read ALOT of information, healthRisks, Psychological Effects, LOTS of TripReports from people with Experience, Possible Lethal Dosage...etc before you ever Ingest a Mind Altering or other PsychoActive Substance: Know what you might expect (Mentally mostly)

PS: The ''illness'' you prescribe before a trip is not as I have experienced with Magic Mushrooms: I felt very removed from my Physical body, never even minding how my stomach must have felt. For as far as I've experienced there pretty was no stomach. And neither where there ''hands'' when I needed them to roll a Joint: I succeeded...after like 15 minutes But the Physically Removed feeling is only what I have experienced as completely EXTACTIC: Like floating around. I could just feel weird but pleasant tingeling sensations ''run'' through my body usually 15 minutes after I ate the Mushrooms. And I find this delightfull, near orgasmic sometimes. o_Õ

At least my 2nd Mushroom Trip was that particulairy Extatic: I ate about 2/3 of 10grams of hawaiian Copelandia Mushrooms.
After my heavy trip after ingesting 10 grams of Hawaiian shrooms, which was great but also a bit too unnerving and disturbing at times, I decided that 2/3d of 10Grams Copelandia is the perfect Dose.

I'm confused: is talking about illegal substances allowed on this forum?

Either way: maybe you already know this but whenever I read about these things online, people never actually 'use' them, they always 'dream' about using them. Probably doesn't matter but I'm sure there's a reason for it.

They talk about it on the forum all the time. Theres actually a lot of people who have used them and also a lot of people who come here asking about it because they want to try it. Me, I don't touch the stuff. Not any drug, not ever. I am probably in the minority on that in this forum though. Actually I am probably in the minority in general, because almost any where you go you will find people who do drugs or have done drugs.

Originally Posted by Jess

I'm confused: is talking about illegal substances allowed on this forum?

Either way: maybe you already know this but whenever I read about these things online, people never actually 'use' them, they always 'dream' about using them. Probably doesn't matter but I'm sure there's a reason for it.
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As far as I know, there is no rule against talking about it nor should there be.

As far as I know, there is no rule against talking about it nor should there be. [/b]

I'd have to agree. Illegal or not, its an important subject.

Ok fair enough. I thought it might attract unwanted attention from whoever, but then this forum doesn't have anything to worry about. I noticed it was strictly enforced on forums about legal substances, probably because they don't want to give anyone ideas about something new to criminalise!

Originally Posted by Jess

Ok fair enough. I thought it might attract unwanted attention from whoever, but then this forum doesn't have anything to worry about. I noticed it was strictly enforced on forums about legal substances, probably because they don't want to give anyone ideas about something new to criminalise!
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yep, we just have nothing to hide

on sketchy forums you'll see notices like 'don't post pictures of your drugs' or 'don't give out any specifics,' but DV is a very friendly, law-abiding forum with a noble purpose. I'd like to see anyone try to have beef with us.

RE: Leo

very correct on the whole seeing god thing. I've had one morning glory trip that I know was the best I'll ever have in my lifetime, including complete ego death and the type of experience that I've tried to explain hundreds of times but never been able to come close. After said trip, I was 'all set' for the time being, I felt like I had had all the spiritual enlightenment I could handle at the time, and so I spent a few weeks working out and sleeping a lot before I considered trying any kind of drug again.

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

RE: Leo

very correct on the whole seeing god thing. I've had one morning glory trip that I know was the best I'll ever have in my lifetime, including complete ego death and the type of experience that I've tried to explain hundreds of times but never been able to come close. After said trip, I was 'all set' for the time being, I felt like I had had all the spiritual enlightenment I could handle at the time, and so I spent a few weeks working out and sleeping a lot before I considered trying any kind of drug again.


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And it was all quite legal. "Space Cadets" and "Druid's Fantasy" use the strongest Morning Glories as their active ingredient and the effect can be quite powerful while still letting one to gently come down after just 3 or 4 hours.

But do remember that the sick feeling that preceeds the High part of the Trip is a significant drawback.

It reminds me of how some people exaggerate about the attractiveness of certain Pretty Girls, claiming that they would crawl through a mile of broken glass to just sniff one of her footprints. But if they should ever really have to crawl through a mile of broken glass, they would probably reconsider before doing it twice. Doing these hallucenogenic drugs, even the Legal ones, is a somewhat parallel experience. The Trip Experience is very Attractive, and even Spiritually and Metaphysically Instructive, but that Sick Feeling is really a great deal like that "mile of broken glass one needs to crawl through first".

so it is possible to buy too much of that stuff. You might take one or two Trips, and even be willing to thank God for the Wonder, Beauty and Truths that you had learned and Experience, and then still be perfectly willing to let the rest of your stash collect dust in your sock draw for years to come.

wow... ok... im deffenatly considering getting some of the tokacola stuff that you linked us to. That sounds bad to the ass. I wonder what the formula is behind it. I guess morning glory is part of the formula. And just 15 bucks huh? Very cheap. Especially for 6 capsules.

lysergic acid amides (a group of chemicals collectively referred to as LSA) are present in ergot, morning glories, hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, and any organic drug with lsd-like effects. LSA is a precursor to LSD, and if you look up their structures and that of LSD then you'll see that they're very similar looking, and I believe one or two of the amides differ from LSD only by the presence of one or two atoms, or the positioning of said atoms. I dno, look it up for yourself. The point is that LSD is derived from LSA and they both work by the same mechanism.

LSD and all other psychedelics are absolutley incredible in my opinion. I would suggest that anyone who is interested in it to do it. Make sure your in the right mindset and be in a positive enviorment.

I would also suggest smoking Cannabis first, then maybe try a hit or two of acid. Then I would move up to DMT, which will blow your mind and most likely change your life.

Just take a look around Erowid, it is by far the best drug site I've seen. You may find that psychedelic drugs really are not that bad for you at all.

i would advice you not to take lsd, you can try shrooms better, its more natural, more safer and more satisfieing experience.
i never tried lsd, i drank datura tea and it was near hell experience

but remeber, everything you need you already have in your brain so explore yourself first

I agree, LSD you have to buy, maybe from someone you don't know. Mushrooms you can grow, or pick them wild if you know what you're doing.

Originally Posted by Bayside

The supposed fact that we use 10% of our brains is not true. We use all 100%, the 10% theory was disproved long ago, yet people keep perpetuating it further and further. Nothing more than a myth, so I've heard.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
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Well, technically we use 100% of our brain, yes. But as far as consciousness goes, we only consciously take in a small percent of the input given to us. The subconscious deals with everything else. I believe it's 400 billion bits of information the brain takes in per second, but we're only aware of 2000 bits per second. This is according to a documentary I watched not long ago on quantum physics and biology in every day life. Fairly reliable, even if quantum physics is mostly theoretical still. The biological stuff should be within the realm of science.

So yeah, our consciousness just can't really compute everything taken in, or we'd likely go insane. But our brain does store it all, one way or another. Not sure what that means about mental output capability, though. Perhaps the subconscious can compute thought more accutely than the conscious as well, similarly to how it takes in things. Not sure on that, but it would make sense that we don't consciously use our full capabilities, it would drive us insane to think of everything our brain's doing for all our actions. Hope that helps.

science may be able to prove that there are no inactive brain cells in the brain because if not they would be dead. What science can't prove, and should not even try to prove, is that the brain cannot be cultivated and enhanced through self psychology, mental training, and spiritual cultivation. The benefits of these are obvious and glaring. Just look up some of those crazy monk powaz out there.

Has anyone here tried Salvia?

Originally Posted by wer

Has anyone here tried Salvia?
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Yeah, I've gone up to 20x.
I smoked it basically in a forest with 2 close friends.

Funny story: There was this emo chick who for some reason showed up after we were already pretty messed up on the 20x. So we basically couldn't refuse, nor pronounce the word no, to let her take a hit. So she did, and like soon after, like 5 mins, we were all pretty much perfectly sober, she was freaking out for like an hour. I think she was faking it. Fucking emo kids.


On another note, I started on Salvia with 5x. It was at my buddy's cottage, miles away from society or anyone else, it was probably my best trip to date on Salvia. Lots of funny shit. haha.


The experience, is really hard to explain, but it's nice to do it with other people, and while coming down, describing your trip, thoughts, and feeling to them. It seemed like life was made of building blocks, or beams. Weird feeling.

the hardest I've seen anyone trip on salvia was my friend keith after taking a large bongrip of 20x. He couldn't speak for 20 minutes, and he says that what was going on outside his head at the time was a complete mystery. He kind of crawled around on the ground trying to speak but instead just made a bunch of weird phonetic sounds. he doesn't remember much of it either, which is a shame.

anyway then I followed suit and things happened that I can't really put into words. Basically, reality was instantly torn to shreds, and I watched as it started putting itself back together again. Kind of like building blocks, but to me it was more of a fractal. I guess it depends what your beliefs are or more likely it's simply how your brain chooses to interpret the bizarre experience.

I would strongly advise against doing LSD as your first substance. Im guesing you're quite young since you've never drank. Your mind is very fragile. As said before, experiment with low doses of mushrooms and slowly work your way up. Then once you are comfortable with 5g+ mushroom trips, THEN I would start experimenting with LSD.
Your first LSD trip will change your life. good or bad, you will see signs from your trip everyday for a few weeks.

LSD and all other psychedelics are absolutley incredible in my opinion. I would suggest that anyone who is interested in it to do it. Make sure your in the right mindset and be in a positive enviorment.

I would also suggest smoking Cannabis first, then maybe try a hit or two of acid. Then I would move up to DMT, which will blow your mind and most likely change your life.

Just take a look around Erowid, it is by far the best drug site I've seen. You may find that psychedelic drugs really are not that bad for you at all.[/b]

That is a really bad idea. LSD and DMT are not even in the same ballpark. DMT trips are not something to take lightly. I doubt, wer, that you have ever done DMT, simply because you just told a drug virgin to do it.
DMT will blow the doors of perception off, but with the price of your sanity. Im not saying you'll go insane from it, but it will show you things you have never dreamed of. (thats a bold statement considering where i am but..)
And that is my opinion on this. I have had many LSD trips in my life. Lots of good ones, lotst of bad ones. Don't take this lightly. With mushrooms if things start to get intense you will most likely laugh and giggle like a school girl, but LSD is not so forgiving.

i read somewhere that a man tripping on mushroms saw a giant mushroom, the mushroom said to him "why did you eat me ?" he replied " i wanted to get fucked up" the mushroom said to him " if you ever eat me again i will kill you " . how many hits of acid is considered a medium/strong dose ?

the strength varies from sheet to sheet.
typically lsd tabs are: 1 tab low. 2-3 medium. 4-6 medium/strong. 7+ strong.

now i would try single tab trips of each batch before you go and drop 6 tabs.
its very hard for the normal user to test the strength of a tab.
i would recomend searching for liquid lsd and dripping it on a sugar cube. one drop is equal to about 2 quality tabs.
so.. do the math, you can figure what a strong dose is.
be carefull with high doses of lsd, the difference from medium to strong is mind blowing.

Yeah the difference in dosage between LSD and Mushrooms is pretty steep in higher doses. They're similar and yet different aspects are lower and higher in each.

ya, at high doses they are completely different experiences.

I really want to try LSD sometime. But I agree that you could better start with some magic mushrooms. They are allso alot less illegal, and more natural and shit.

Really good thing about that kind of drugs is allso that it is not addictive, and not bad for you aslong as you don't take alot, and don't freak out in a you that makes you harm yourself.

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How much magic mushrooms should one eat for it's first time? T think it wouldn't be wise to start with high dosages =)