Thread: Hezbollah Guaranteed By U.s. 2nd Amendment

Originally Posted by Alric

it goes both ways. I would rather have a responsible neighbor who helps in time of duress than a government that imposes control over me and my home. Your problem is you some how think governments are inherently peaceful and kind and that people are inherently evil and cruel.[/b]

As I said, you need to read some actually history.

Strong Governments have always risen up to liberate the vast majority of mankind for the tyranny of their neighbors.

Rule of the Neighbor is what we call the Dark Ages. Rule of the Neighbor is Barbarism.

Who most covets your property? Who most covets your wife? Your neighbor.

A Government ... a Central Government... may have an interest in establishing a General Peace and Law and Order. It can be impartial for the sake of Justice. It may want to calm everything down. Just as Louis the IVX was willing to go to war against every Neighbor in France if need be so that all the private Tyrannies would come to an end. And After he did impose Order and a Monopoly of Arms, France enjoyed a explosion of prosperity and influence, only to be opposed by other Nations who equally imposed Order for the sake of a General Prosperity.

Read.

Stop guessing.

Originally Posted by Alric

Countries that have banned guns from their citizens have seen an increase in crime.

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BULLSHIT! What, an increase in littering and J-walking.

There is no country with more per-capita guns then America. And America has the greatest per-capita class of imprisoned criminals, more ex-cons, more VIOLENT crime than anywhere that keeps any records at all.

But in Japan and Britain where guns are excluded from trade... what, there are a great many pickpockets. So what? Can you honestly compare drive-by shooting and armed rapes to "oops, I had my wallet a minute ago".

Howetzer, I was growing to expect more discernment, AND INTELLECTUAL HONESTY, from you. Don't begin to dissappoint me just after you began to earn my respect.

Originally Posted by Leo

There is no country with more per-capita guns then America. And America has the greatest per-capita class of imprisoned criminals, more ex-cons, more VIOLENT crime than anywhere that keeps any records at all.

But in Japan and Britain where guns are excluded from trade... what, there are a great many pickpockets. So what? Can you honestly compare drive-by shooting and armed rapes to "oops, I had my wallet a minute ago".

Howetzer, I was growing to expect more discernment, AND INTELLECTUAL HONESTY, from you. Don't begin to dissappoint me just after you began to earn my respect.
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As like other conversations, we are comparing apple to oranges in an attempt in comparing social and political structures of other nations, to the united states. The USA is structured to have an even greater impact because of our freedoms.
But to back up some of what I say,
All criminologists studying the firearms issue reject simple comparisons of violent crime among foreign countries.
"Gun control does not deserve credit for the low crime rates in Britain, Japan, or other nations.... Foreign style gun control is doomed to failure in America; not only does it depend on search and seizure too intrusive for American standards, it postulates an authoritarian philosophy of government fundamentally at odds with the individual, egalitarian . . . American ethos." (David Kopel, "Foreign Gun Control in American Eyes," 1987)

* Gun laws and firearms availability are unrelated to homicide or suicide rates. Most states bordering Canada have homicide rates similar to their northern neighbors, despite much higher rates of firearms availability. While the American homicide rate is higher than most European nations, and firearms are frequently involved in American homicides, America's violent crime rates are even higher for crimes where guns are less often (robbery) or infrequently (rape) involved. The difference is violence, not firearms, and America's system of revolving door justice.

* England now has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did before adopting its repressive laws, yet its politicians have responded to rising crime by further restricting rifles and shotguns. During the past dozen years, handgun-related robbery has risen 200% in Britain, five times as fast as the rise in the U.S.

* Japan's low homicide rate is accompanied by a suicide rate much higher than that of the United States, despite Japan's virtual gun ban. And Japan's low crime rate is attributable to police-state type law enforcement which would be opposed by Americans.

* Anti-gunners' comparisons of homicide in Seattle and Vancouver, B.C., ignore the fact that non-Hispanic whites have a lower homicide rate in Seattle than in Vancouver, and that Vancouver's homicide rate, and handgun use in homicide, did not go down following Canada's adoption of a "tough" gun law.