Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Originally Posted by memeticverb

Now, how in the world can you say that "there was no molten metal, except aluminum"?? Not only have there been many reports of molten steel by firefighters and observers at the scene but there are tons of pictures and videos of previously molten metal, fused together and contorted into all kinds of shapes impossible without extremely high heat.
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You seem to be ignorant of the definition of "molten". Molten: "reduced to liquid form by heating".
The steel wasn't liquid in those pictures, it was only red-hot--a phenomenon that requires MUCH lower temperatures.

Originally Posted by memeticverb

As far as thermite goes, it is not an easily produced substance in natural catastrophes or collapsing buildings. Where did you get this idea? Do you have a source?[/b]

Sure. From Wiki: "A thermite reaction is a type of aluminothermic reaction in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide."
Aluminum, Iron Oxide. It's ridiculously simple. I've made it in my backyard a couple of times--all you need to do is grind some rust down to a powder, then break open an Etch-A-Sketch and mix them at the right proportion.
Now, what are these "chemical traces" you're talking about? Because like I said, the products of a thermite reaction are only molten iron (which we have no evidence of any melted iron, only heated) and aluminum oxide. Both are prevalent already in modern buildings.

Originally Posted by memeticverb

videos of a thermite reaction which show tons of molten steel (not aluminum, as aluminum when melted does not appear bright orange yellow, just look it up if you are skeptical).[/b]

One, that looks more like sparks and embers than molten steel to me--have you ever SEEN a thermite reaction? They produce TORRENTS of liquid iron. Two, get your terminology right. Thermite doesn't produce molten steel. It produces molten iron. It can melt the steel indirectly, but it doesn't produce molten steel in the quantities it produces molten iron. Third, if they HAD used thermite to cut the steel supports, they'd be using it INSIDE the building, on the supports, not on the edge near a window. Fourth, in order for this to be true, they'd have to either plan the exact floor the airplane struck, then plant the thermite there, then crash the plane and have it all work out all hunky-dory. Which, since they had amateur pilots at best, would not be easy. Or, they could wait until AFTER the planes struck to plant the thermite, which is simply impossible.
What are you suggesting?

Originally Posted by memeticverb

And lastly, you think a black ops project can only be concealed when confined to 100 people? Who are you trying to kid? Ever hear of the Manhattan project? How about the holocaust? True these things are eventually revealed, and with time the truth about 911 will all be considered public knowledge.[/b]

For your info, Manhattan Project was only kept black by moving the scientists working on it to a remote desert so they COULDN'T tell anybody. With the advent of cell phones, it would be nearly impossible to pull the same manner of cover again.
In the case of the holocaust, that wasn't kept secret at all. At least not well. The Jews most certainly had it figured out right away, and the rest of the world was only clueless because it wasn't paying attention.

Originally Posted by Tsen

In the case of the holocaust, that wasn't kept secret at all. At least not well. The Jews most certainly had it figured out right away, and the rest of the world was only clueless because it wasn't paying attention.[/b]

Ehhh, careful. This is a highly controversial statement. Firstly, when you're talking about the holocaust with respect to what ordinary people knew at the time, the mere USE of the word "holocaust" creates an inference in the modern, RETROSPECTIVE mind that any knowledge or indications of knowledge of any part of what is now known as the "Holocaust", infers a fiuller knowledge of the full extent of the holocaust.

In short, there is certainly evidence that contemporary Jews, Germans, and people in the wider world had some measure of understanding that some manner of racial segregation and perhaps persecution was going on at the time, that's a far cry from saying that they "Knew about the Holocaust".

Originally Posted by Tsen

One, that looks more like sparks and embers than molten steel to me--have you ever SEEN a thermite reaction? They produce TORRENTS of liquid iron. Two, get your terminology right. Thermite doesn't produce molten steel. It produces molten iron. It can melt the steel indirectly, but it doesn't produce molten steel in the quantities it produces molten iron. Third, if they HAD used thermite to cut the steel supports, they'd be using it INSIDE the building, on the supports, not on the edge near a window.[/b]

Well thanks for ignoring WTC Building 7 completely, which could not look more like a controlled demolition.

But as for the thermite issue, we would do well to listen to an expert. You are right that the byproduct of a thermite reaction is iron as professor Jones shows us, but what he also makes clear is that its easy to calculate the amount and nature of the molten substance flowing out of the tower, which in fact collapses at the corner column where we see the reaction.

Steven Jones, PhD. explains how thermite was used in the twin towers.

I would like to know what most people think upon hearing this testimony by a highly credentialed professor who has done actual experiments, published papers on the issue (which have not been refuted), and corroborated his findings with many other highly credentialed physics professors - see Dr. Judy Wood, and Dr. Jeff King.