What does an emotional relationship have to do with the sensation of pain and discomfort? Nothing. You experience it whether you know it has a name or not. Just as a baby experiences pain, but does not have an "emotional relationship" with it. |
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Hmm, started to watch it when my spyware program started to bark. Guess I'm better off not seeing this anyway. |
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you must be the change you wish to see in the world...
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What does an emotional relationship have to do with the sensation of pain and discomfort? Nothing. You experience it whether you know it has a name or not. Just as a baby experiences pain, but does not have an "emotional relationship" with it. |
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I don't think IdentityX is at all shallow minded to think that. Frankly, I think it's quite the opposite - it's disregarding your "gut emotions" and rather going for something logical that makes more sense. Until we do that, I don't think we could progress that far as a civilisation. |
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Well, it seems you've successfully finished this disussion then - because I'm utterly unwilling to discuss anything of any importance to someone who thinks a disscussion on the extension of moraily and ethics to animals is sufficient pressure enough to result to insults and bigotry. Shame on you. Shame on you!!! |
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yeah I saw that... felt pretty sorry for that cat. How much LSD did they gave it? :0 |
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“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
Actually humans are animals, I mean why aren't we? Just because we have a language and can build stuff doesn't mean we aren't animals. |
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NeAvO's Nightly JourneysAdopted: Hazel AngelGirl ShadowsandTerrorhawkerCourtesy of GoldneyShoot for the moon, even if you miss it you will land among the stars.Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
Yeah really! I wikied LSD (I know wiki isn't an altogether reliable source but I just wanted to see the basics), and I can't imagine anyone wanting to put their bodies through that. Here are a couple snippets that jumped out at me: |
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Wow Burns! |
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NeAvO's Nightly JourneysAdopted: Hazel AngelGirl ShadowsandTerrorhawkerCourtesy of GoldneyShoot for the moon, even if you miss it you will land among the stars.Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
If I am remembering correctly, way back when, they did test unsuspecting members of the US army without their knowledge. I remember reading something about it in the paper at least 30 years ago. |
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you must be the change you wish to see in the world...
-gandhi
^^ wow, Seeker - I can't imagine having hallucinations and stuff like that and not understand why or how. Someone would think they were literally going insane - it would be terrifying! |
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I'm really glad I didn't look at that video. |
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Man, giving people drugs without their knowledge is Not cool indeed. |
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“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
LSD funny vid |
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Adopted Megabenman although he disappeared a while ago.
“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
you know... |
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Well the one piece of important information few people have seemed to notice that we are missing is the dosage given to the cat. LSD is the most powerful psychoactive drug known to man as far as the dosage goes. A typical dosage is measured in micrograms. However, it takes an incredible amount to kill a person from it. I don't know how much exactly because there are so few documented cases of LSD death due to toxicity. Considering that it is an animal in the test I am pretty confident that the dosage was very high, many many times the normal amount associated with recreational use. But the reason people enjoy doing LSD is because of the experience in the mind. A lot of times its things you can't even properly explain to other people. I've never known a person who reacted like that cat did to LSD. LSD is a very misunderstood drug that only certain people should take. Of course that decision should be made by that person after carefully examining the information they have read. As far as the whole experimentation on animals thing goes, I'm all for it. There was one chemist/psychopharmacologist who developed and studied new psychoactive drugs but he used the old fashioned method of testing them on himself first with very very minute doses and over time increasing the dosage. His name is Dr. Alexander Shulgin if you want to read up on him or anything. He's written 2 books that I have read and its very interesting stuff. And Please people, if you have never tried the stuff then don't be so quick to assume that its so horrible. Because quite honestly, you can read all you want about it but you will never have any clue to the experience of it until you have tried it. |
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Oy. Why can't everyone just go "Hurr, the kitty's on drugs!" and move on? Everything turns into a debate here. |
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what good is progress if you sacrifice a life for it? |
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"There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." ~Albert Einstein
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morality and ethics are something learned by humans, definitely not something innately understood. To say for certain there are absolute rights and absolute wrongs is equally unfounded as someone spouting their opinion to the contrary...in the end... all of it is one's opinion. Please don't forget that. |
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Cats are inferior to people?? Am I actauly reading this!?! |
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I still fail to see how anybody can think that's a stupid / controversial remark. It just makes sense to me. You, as well as Koala-girl, seem to have very little regard for the human race if you both are to suggest that from a human point of view (not God's, not mother nature's) we equate to a cats, or any other animal for that matter. |
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dont harm a life just for progress |
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