Racial Mixing And Interbreeding

[The Blue Meanie]

This is something which has interested me for a while. I live in a fairly culturally diverse country, NZ. We have a large european-ethnic population, a large number of polynesians, asian, indian, etc, etc. Every day when I go to university, I'll see quite a few couples of different races. Most couples are usually of the same race, but there's an increasing amount of inter-racial breeding. Now I, for one, think that's fucking awesome. But it gets me thinking: What will the racial characteristics of the human race be like in 2000 years, if the current trend towards inter-racial breeding continues? Will there be any concept of race? Or will we be one big racial melting-pot? What are other people's thoughts on this, and what about links to some possible "future racial mix" faces, that you see every now and then in documentaries on what the human race will look like in centuries ahead?

[juroara]

for an idea, I think we can already look at different cultures in the world were different groups of people have already mixed to get an idea. I think a lot of hispanic groups can be an example of some of that already. as a hispanic, I have blood from africa, europe and the americas. already in my family you can see a wide variety of features, but always a variety in each person. For example, my sister is as pale as snow, reddens like a lobster, and she has freckles. So a lot of people think shes anglo. But her body type, and her facial features are not anglo. You can paint her brown and she can pass for an african american easy. Her hair is thick and curly, which shows genes from a hot climate, not a cold one like europe. And, shes short. She just so happens to be the same height as the natives who lived on the island *small island cultures yield short people* being short myself, I can testify most anglos have been taller than me. to continue on my family! *all the same ethnicity* my moms hair is also curly, light auburn in color, skin that tans lightly *not reddens* and her eyes are hazel. my uncles, who have the same parents as my mom, are the colors of the rainbow. the range from dark brown to peachy pale. from blonde to black hair. to curly to straight hair. to freckles to no freckles. but if you were to line up my mom and all her siblings *all thirteen of them!* you can still tell they are all brothers and sisters. my friend who is of mexican decent says she has one brother who looks black, and another who looks white. however, their facial features are near identical as well as their height and hair. the funny thing is, one day the 'black' brother invited the 'white' brother to hang out with him at some basketball court. everyone there, besides them two, were actually african american. they were racist and bullied the 'white' brother saying the court was for 'brothers' only. his explanation "But, he is my brother!" didn't make any sense! anyways, the point I am trying to make is, if you were to combine all the ethnicities - you dont get one color. You dont get one hair style, you dont get one type of facial feature. You get everything, all of the above, just mixed. But its mixed in such a way you can still tell who is related *if youre looking* as for your concept of race, yes, people will still carry one. in this case, the concept of race is culture based, if not culturally-racist. the caribbean culture *like puerto ricans* and the central american culture *like mexicans* are different cultures *the natives were different*. so while outsiders might see puerto ricans and mexicans as the same race - hispanic - puerto ricans and mexicans dont always see eachother as the same kind of hispanic race. actually, hispanics can be very racist towards other hispanic groups. We see the same thing in asia, when asian countries are racist of eachother. except in this case, hispanic countries speak the SAME language and each share the SAME history and decent from spain.

[Neruo]

If a society grows, you do see less and less discrimination. Maybe if the wealth in the world is equally derived, and there is no piece and racism, then I do see a total mixing of all races. Only I think it is more like 10 000 years before that happens.

[The Blue Meanie]

juroara: I found your post EXTREMELY interesting and informative, thank you so much - I'm serious. It's an interesting idea to think of features "mixing but not blending" kinda. Like, skin colour varying in interracial couples, but not... sort of blending. And given genetics, I should have foreseen that but didn't and overlooked it.

[SKA]

Well yeah good question to think about. I know that Racial mixing more than often leads to extreme beauty. My ex girlfriend is half Dutch, Half Cape Verdian. She is beautyfull. A female friend of mine has an Indonesian dad and a Dutch Mom: She also is astonishingly beautyfull I have another half Indonesian half Dutch female friend who is likewise beautyfull. This seems a good combination I must say that I have a passion for the beauty of cerveral ethnic populations around the world such as: South American ladies, Caribbean ladies, African ladies, ESPECIALLY Middle eastern ladies, Indian/WestAsian ladies and Spanish & Italian ladies. Not just the ladies but also the men: They, In my humble Opinion, have remarkably charismatic faces and speaking eyes. They're just beautyfull people in general. I certainly wonder what racial mixes between those peoples would look like. I'm a half Dutch Half Israëli Racial and National Mix myself so maybe that's why I like to see mixed racial beauty in ladies

[Indecent Exposure]

I dont bleieve there is a signle wya of knowing However, if i were to take an educated guess based upon Populations, population increases and economies I would say after a long long time we may be looking at a predominantly oriental looking world In terms of facial characteristics Imran

[Ross]

Yeah im from NZ aswell and i have thought about it alot aswell. Its going to kinda end up like a fruit salad being put into a blender, if you understand what i mean. It is unstoppable, and we probly wont see it in our lifetimes and neither will our children. I would be interesting to see what happens in the end though.

[The Blue Meanie]

I must say that I have a passion for the beauty of cerveral ethnic populations around the world such as: South American ladies, Caribbean ladies, African ladies, ESPECIALLY Middle eastern ladies, Indian/WestAsian ladies and Spanish & Italian ladies. [/b] I agree. I constantly find myself attracted to females of different races and ethnicities. Indian and african, middle eastern. That's not to say I don't appreciate caucasian women, or have a distinct preference for other races. But, I dunno. I certainly appreciate their beauty.

[King and God]

I can't say I care much of the effects of inter-racial breeding in the future, as I will probably not be living in human form at that time anyway. But if I'm to get a child I would want him/her to be white, have blue eyes and brown hair to look as similiar to me as possible.

[The Blue Meanie]

Can't say that's a big issue for me. I have decided in the last year or so that I DO want children (though in the long-term rather than immediate or near future), preferably a daughter or daughters. If my wife or partner was of another ethnicity, I would consider it a very beautiful thing were my children to take on characteristics from both our races/ethnicities. In fact, me wanting daughters is part of the reason I'm not so concerned about my children not looking "caucasian". I don't want another me running around, I don't want a miniature version of myself.

[EagleEye]

What I think will happen is that there will be less preoccupation with melanin and hair texture, etc., or more on what really makes each person what he/she really is: learned culture, individual character, and personal experience. If this happens on a global scale and people continue to immigrate and intermarry, fewer people will be able to be identified as purely this or that particular race because there will be a lot of mixing and matching of phenotypes. Ethnicity/culture or some other status would eventually replace race as the primary way of identifying oneself. Would humanity eventually develop a common phenotype? Perhaps for some aspects of our appearance. Since most of the world's population has dark hair and eyes, it's not unreasonable to think that this will continue. I'm from a racially mixed family on both sides and, like Juroaura, see a variety of types within my family. It makes for very interesting reunions. I've heard other people with similar background refer to themselves as a hodge podge blend or "Heinz 57." However, we still think of ourselves as being biracial and mult-ethnic (a foot on two continents). OT, but with the last US census we finally got the option of marking more than one race on our forms. I wonder what effect future climate and environmental changes will have on any of this? If we're collectively forced to move closer to the equator because the climate is getting colder, would we eventually develop more melanin to protect us from the sun damage? Or will our technology (assuming we still have it 2000 years from now) make this kind of adaptation unnecessary?

[Chainsaw Kitten]

Personally I love the idea of a mixed bag. I'm personally caucasian, but have many roots. My mother's American and my father Swiss, but I have Hungarian, Irish and Italian roots aswell. I know many people who are of mixed ethnicities and they are some of the most beautiful people I've ever known. I'd like there to be variation always... in other words I don't want there just to be one huge mixed race. I find that it makes life very interesting to be able to see so many different looks all over the world. When I went to Tanzania I was absolutely amazed by the beautiful women there... with their shaved heads and babies slung over their back. Breathtaking.

[Arachanox]

If humanity continued to interbreed for many years, I can see the final "culmination" race as being Indian/Chinese/South American, because those areas of the world are growing very quickly. The first "races" to be eliminated would probably be the European minorities because of their small numbers (i.e., all dutch become German, all Irish become english, all Andorran become French or Spanish, all Portuguese become Spanish, etc.) North America has so many different races, I could see it has the one last true haven for racial differences in a world where all the other have eventually mixed.

[Oneironaut Zero]

I'm all for racial mixing. My daughter is mixed (her mom is also a mix between German and Italian) and she's beautiful. Picture! (As far as I know) the only thing that had separated us, from the beginning, is our positions on the globe and the cultures that were spawned from that sort of isolation from the rest of the world's population. Those two factors are practically non-issues in today's society, where people are much more able to move about as they please. I wouldn't be so extreme as to call people against interbreeding as racists, but I definitely find it comparable to the ideology of segregation, as I don't see much reason behind shying away from it, besides a desire to not have another culture embedded within one's own. I doubt we will ever see a "dying out" of some of the more prominent races as large numbers of people carry a stern resolve to preserve their race. Hey, more power to 'em. I just don't care about "keeping us all different," that way. I love exotic women of all races. I do have a few "favorites," but that really just comes down to physical features and accents.

[Kaniaz]

The phrase "racial mixing", and especially "interbreeding", personally, makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I must be naive. You mean some people still care about each other's races? "I like this girl but she's German and that's a little weird"? Geez. The idea seriously never occured to me.

[EagleEye]

The phrase "racial mixing", and especially "interbreeding", personally, makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I must be naive. You mean some people still care about each other's races? "I like this girl but she's German and that's a little weird"? Geez. The idea seriously never occured to me. [/b] I only tell you about what's going on in the US, but yes. A lot of people here still care and are preoccupied with race (and ethnicity), whether it's from a desire to be inclusive/sensitive/appreciative of our differences or, on the other side of the spectrum, from outright racism and biogtry. Many folks' families have generations-deep problems related to slavery, being screwed by the government, and suffering societal abuse and culture-robbing. Many are still on the receiving end of bigotry (forward or reverse racism). So until that stops, we can't expect our hyperawareness of race and ethnicity here to go way. People in the liberal arts mode of thinking here tend to be embarrassed if they're all Caucasian because of the suffering of the past (the so-called "white guilt"). Moreover, being a minority is "cool" here and means you aren't in league with the controlling, souless downpresser Man. That idea has definitely trickled down into the general population. Of course, there's been backlash from it. On the whole, I think our situation here is slowly improving for some minorities. We've always had a fair number of ethnically mixed families, but I see more apparently racially mixed families and biracial kids than I did 10 years ago.

[Ne-yo]

I'm Blasian and I wouldn't want it any other way. Growing up in Japan wasn't very easy for me as a child considering I looked different and my complexion was darker. So I was treated pretty badly. My Father is mixed half African American and half Egyptian my mother is Japanese. Once my Father was re-stationed stateside in California I felt a lot more comfortable because there were so many others kids that were like me. The base was swarming with interracial kids and I finally felt that I belonged. As I gotten older and traveled back to Japan it wasn't as bad as when I was a child. In fact I was quite the ladies man. I married a Japanese woman and we have a beautiful little girl who shows the essence of a mixture of Black Japanese and Egyptian decent. My Shinning little star! She took a lot of Genes from my fathers side but the Asian features are very prominent as well.

[Oneironaut Zero]

My Shinning little star! [/b] Haha. She's adorable, man.

[EagleEye]

Ne-yo, your daughter is beautiful! :bravo:

[Howie]

[/b] Beautiful guys. I too have been curious about this issue. Afraid to bring it up. I commend everyone for such a good, thoughtful and insightful discussion. I unfortunately have lived around mostly racists and Bigots. When I was young I also shamefully had many of those views. Having been conditioned in that manner as well as living in a rural all white community, spawned my ignorance. I would love to point out now that I am NOT so ignorant. My wife Brooke and her family have taught me a lot of what I was already on the threshold of realizing. Being two polar opposites, my wife's parents (that were obviously separated long ago) are a great looking glass into two different worlds. Brooke looks at every one the same. Big, small, black, white, or green. It is very hard for me to do this sooo unbiasedly. I am the easiest person to get along with. But some social stereotypes are still there. Brooke's sister has had two children inner racially. Her dad is ashamed of her and hoe HE looks in his tiny little town. If you take children like Oneironaut's, Ne Yo's or Brooke's sisters .... How can you condom one for their color? This is where it gets very difficult to discuss. Please try to understand and take into account what I have already said. I am concerned with the black culture. Counter arguments are always, well there is white gangs and white trailer trash, etc. I realize that. I only have a scope of the USA. What I do see is a country that is very divided. It has come a long way. Interbreeding may eventually make our country a TRUE melting pot. As it stands today I see all major cities being over run with black gangs and low income African Americans. I see 80% of the prison being that of a black male. And they are not in the majority population either. Are they a product of their environment. Probably. But our system makes it hard to point out this issue with being called racial. How many white people would feel comfortable alone in an all black neighbor hood? Just recently. A senator, Barrack Obama has put into motion an exploratory committee to run for the next US president. We have African Americans saying he is not Black enough. What can a society do to overcome this? well maybe the mingling of the many cultures and races is the answer. If you add all the primary colors you get grey. Which is NEAUTRAL!

[Oneironaut Zero]

I am concerned with the black culture... [/b] I really can't argue with you there, Howie. There is definitely a problem in a lot of modern, black culture. Much of it stems from long-held anxiety, distrust and aggression from decades/centuries ago which, while understandable, must come to a close before there will be much change in the black community. The bigger problem though, the way I see it, is that we live in a society that actively works toward keeping that line between us. Not only that, but I'd go so far as to say that it works to keep minorities out of the favor of the public eye. Mainstream America highlights a stereotype on blacks (and other minorities, but this is the one in question) and it's such a problem that it's actually self-sustaining. Many of us have come to think that the thuggish/gangster/materialistic mentality is cool because it's highlighted everywhere within the media. This, coupled with the fact that most young people (of all races) are posers and wannabe's of their favorite celebrities and/or people they saw on tv results in a continuous cycle of manufactured insanity. I'm not passing any of the blame, whatsoever, because far too many blacks have chosen to degenerate themselves into this "trying to be like the leading black rapper/singer/sports figure" that it is writing itself as a code within our (blacks) culture. However the media makes this worse because these portions of the black community are really all that get portrayed. Unfortunately, there is still racism within the economy, as well as the social aspect of America. Those of us who have already gained an animosity toward whites for everything from the blatant opression of the slavery days to the, more covert, oppression of today's society are more apt to fall in line with anything that is advertised as "pro-black" even if the only "pro-black" concepts that are advertised in the media are the most negative portions of our culture. Take rap music, for example: (this being a big portion of the content of my own raps) The #1 rappers in the world, in terms of media recognition, are those that talk nothing about guns, drugs, jail, "bitches" and money. These aren't even (By FAR) the most talented rappers out there. Anyone with a knowledge of the underground knows that those people who have built the most upon the true hip-hop culture are very positive, technical and eloquent in their rhymes, and rival some of the best masters of literature, of any race, in terms of the way they form the structure and concepts behind their rhymes. This is a (relatively) little known fact because those (mainly whites) with the money and influence to make a record label take off do nothing but recruit those who will carry on the negative-black/rapper stereotype because, now that its acceptance is so rooted in black culture (something that was assimilated into hip-hop, and didn't start there) it is what makes the most money. At the same time, it is what helps degenerate black culture, because rap/hip-hop is the most powerful medium reaching young, black Americans. As a black man, I find the whole thing really frustrating. I've used the analogy of the Matrix in one of my raps, talking about how there is an unperceived level of control that goes on, concerning the media and black stereotypes. I think, though, that if more of us (blacks) were willing to step outside of our own ethnocentric boxes, we'd see it for what it is (I have) and only then will significant change really come. ...That seems to be asking a lot, though.

[Howie]

Thanks for the in site Oneironaut. It seems to be something that feeds itself. Hopefully someday it will burn out and fade away. You point out the media. Funny I had just been going off to my sister on the negative role howard stern has set for all the degenerative talk hosts today...yet this same thing never came to mind when I was thinking of the African Americans feedback and role models. This has become that way in sports too. It is very hard for a minority to climb the ladder of success. It seems the gap or "line " grows wider as the old saying goes, " The rich get richer and the poor get poorererer. (SP?) As more and more people mix races I think generations will grow to accept that rather than shun it.

[Oneironaut Zero]

You point out the media. Funny I had just been going off to my sister on the negative role howard stern has set for all the degenerative talk hosts today... [/b] Yup. The media is (unfortunately, sometimes) the voice of society. So many people like to think that we are all in control of our own destinies but much of the media (from news brodcasts to daytime tv commercials) are produced with the intent to influence society. Whether that influence be geared toward a demographic acting a certain way, buying a certain product or thinking that a certain radio program "shock jock" is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you tactically streamline the choices of entertainment/information/instructional sources that a community has, it's much more easy to corral their collective conscious - a sad fact, I think.

[Ne-yo]

Hey guys thanks a lot for you compliments on my little angel. Yup she is my entire life. Oneironaut your little girl is Gorgeous, I bet she takes after her Mother j/k. I must say we do good I am not looking forward to mine growing up anytime soon, however she already acts 30 lol. Looks like you are going to have to invest in that shot-gun to keep the boys away.. Haha

[The Blue Meanie]

The phrase "racial mixing", and especially "interbreeding", personally, makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I must be naive. You mean some people still care about each other's races? "I like this girl but she's German and that's a little weird"? Geez. The idea seriously never occured to me.[/b] Heh, okay, to be completely honest, I used those phrases/words in the thread title to try to spark a little debate. As already told, when it comes to girls, race is something that doesn;t bother me at all. Ne-Yo and Oneironaut: Wow, thank you heaps. Especially in the case of Ne-Yo's daughter, I can really see how the "melting pot" of ethnic features works in the way that juoara described it, and, yeah. You both have very beautiful little daughters, kudos, and I envy you. (I want a daughter at some point in the mid/longterm future.) I only tell you about what's going on in the US, but yes. A lot of people here still care and are preoccupied with race (and ethnicity), whether it's from a desire to be inclusive/sensitive/appreciative of our differences or, on the other side of the spectrum, from outright racism and biogtry. Many folks' families have generations-deep problems related to slavery, being screwed by the government, and suffering societal abuse and culture-robbing. Many are still on the receiving end of bigotry (forward or reverse racism). So until that stops, we can't expect our hyperawareness of race and ethnicity here to go way.[/b] In New Zealand, we don't have the same dynamic as the US, but we still have a fair bit of a problem with racism. The ethnic composition of NZ is predominantly white, with a large proporition of polynesian and maori, a growing proportion of asian people, and few if any people of african ethnicity. Here, the main element of racism is against the asian, specifically chinese, korean, etc. This is supposedly due to the rapidity with which they are immigrating here, etc, etc. Not a mentality I agree with. There's also a bit of maori-white tension, and always has been. But it's a very minor thing, especially given that many "white" new zealanders are like 5th or something generation, and have maori blood back somewhere.