Thread: Near Death Experiences

Yes I think what a person thinks really effects what one might see. The whole 'tunnel' thing often comes from lack of blood in the eyes (something that tends to happen when (almost) dieing), causing tunnel-vision. I am sure no Hindu sees god or Allah, maybe they see a tunnel full of white cows? Who knows.

mabby its how you have been programed like if you have been told all your life that when you die you see god then you would see god there is only one way to prove it

get twenty or so babies and tell them all their life that when they die they will see yelow monkeys why not then almost kill them bring them back and ask them

before you start assuming things about NDEs you should actually read them. And read a whole lot of them.

they are not nearly as affected by religion as you think. Jews have met Jesus. Atheists went to heaven. And Christians were taught that reincarnation is real.

Originally Posted by juroara

before you start assuming things about NDEs you should actually read them. And read a whole lot of them.

they are not nearly as affected by religion as you think. Jews have met Jesus. Atheists went to heaven. And Christians were taught that reincarnation is real.[/b]

I have read about and heard of a lot of NDEs, and the majority of them make reports of seeing a bright light in a dark tunnel. That could really mean anything. There was one guy that said that he went to hell, but I honestly think that you go where you think you're going to go. For example, if you think you're going to heaven, then you're going to end up in a very peaceful place that you would think of as heaven. There was a thread somewhere in the DV forum that said that the afterlife would probably be like an LD. I tend to agree w/ them. I think that when we die, we will be stuck in a never ending LD. Or at least a never ending dream (not necessarily a lucid one). So, if I thought that I deserved to go to hell, I would probably spend eternity in a horrific nightmare.

I heard that NDEs might be caused by a massive release of Dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland, when under a lot of stress, like when you're abou to die. But beside that, I don't know much.

Originally Posted by Chaos

I have read about and heard of a lot of NDEs, and the majority of them make reports of seeing a bright light in a dark tunnel. That could really mean anything. There was one guy that said that he went to hell, but I honestly think that you go where you think you're going to go. For example, if you think you're going to heaven, then you're going to end up in a very peaceful place that you would think of as heaven. There was a thread somewhere in the DV forum that said that the afterlife would probably be like an LD. I tend to agree w/ them. I think that when we die, we will be stuck in a never ending LD. Or at least a never ending dream (not necessarily a lucid one). So, if I thought that I deserved to go to hell, I would probably spend eternity in a horrific nightmare.[/b]

youre not reading enough of them! :yumdumdoodledum: theres a lot more that happens in NDEs. for example, some NDErs witness what happened in the emergency room, when they were unconscious or assumed dead.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

I heard that NDEs might be caused by a massive release of Dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland, when under a lot of stress, like when you're abou to die. But beside that, I don't know much.[/b]

people will do anything to disprove what takes them out of their comfort zone. How does a chemical reaction create all the same sensations and visuals so related to an NDE? (when hallucinations DO NOT) How does it explain that NDErs are convinced their experience was real and not a hallucination? What does it mean when this is a life altering experience?

My problem with science right now is it makes people take this base definition and hold it as the entire picture. Emotions are said to be chemical reactions and no offense, people who believe this is entire picture of emotions such as love have no chance of knowing a higher love. What happens when love is just how you physically feel for someone and never an action itself? But chemical reactions arent actions such as self sacrafice and for close minded fools whose noses are stuck in text book definitions they cant see they are only seeing part of the picture

this chemical release explains nothing

its like when ghost skeptics start saying how there is a chemical reaction in our brain that sometimes cuases us to see white orbs as hard core proof that ghost experiences are false. my friend tried to pull this one on me. but skeptics are too anal to look at the whole picture since their explanation doesnt include everything that happens in the unexplained. while my friend felt this is what happened to me and others he refused to listen to the mere truth that ghost experiences dont just include white orbs - but people with life like details before vanishing. when I tried to argue with him he wouldnt even listen to me that what I saw was not a white orb. Instead, out of his skepticism, he was sooooo sure that what I saw HAD to have been a white orb since there is no current explanation for anything else.

yeah. . .chemical reactions. . . that explains a lot. its this type of mentality that has stopped us from even understanding what consciousness is. a bunch of chemical reactions, real informative.

Like the tunnel vision explanation. Ridiculous. How does lack of blood to the eyes even create a tunnel vision? How does 'tunnel vision' create sensations of flying in a tunnel? How does the tunnel explanation work if the person has had their eyes closed. . or if . . they are blind? How does tunnel vision work if the NDEr first sees themself outside of their body before seeing a tunnel up above them? How does 'tunnel vision' also create sounds as if zooming?

Even if NDEs have nothing to do with the soul that doesnt mean its right to believe in explanation science tosses that doesnt even really explain what is happening. Its even more damaging if you try to put the experiences in a little box "tunnel-white light-and back again" while ignoring anything outside of that box. If science wants to get to the bottom of something it has to investigate it at its full, not just pick pieces that make sense.

Originally Posted by juroara

people will do anything to disprove what takes them out of their comfort zone. How does a chemical reaction create all the same sensations and visuals so related to an NDE? (when hallucinations DO NOT) How does it explain that NDErs are convinced their experience was real and not a hallucination? What does it mean when this is a life altering experience?

My problem with science right now is it makes people take this base definition and hold it as the entire picture. Emotions are said to be chemical reactions and no offense, people who believe this is entire picture of emotions such as love have no chance of knowing a higher love. What happens when love is just how you physically feel for someone and never an action itself? But chemical reactions aren't actions such as self sacrifice and for close minded fools whose noses are stuck in text book definitions they cant see they are only seeing part of the picture[/b]

Okay, I have to kind of agree w/ you here. I am not Christian, and really doubt that there is a heaven per say, but I do believe that there is some form of afterlife, be it reincarnation of the never ending LD I described earlier. I am sure that these people experience something. They may see where they think they are going, or they may see something else. It really depends on the person I suppose. But I too highly doubt the scientific theory on this one.

its like when ghost skeptics start saying how there is a chemical reaction in our brain that sometimes cuases us to see white orbs as hard core proof that ghost experiences are false. my friend tried to pull this one on me. but skeptics are too anal to look at the whole picture since their explanation doesnt include everything that happens in the unexplained. while my friend felt this is what happened to me and others he refused to listen to the mere truth that ghost experiences dont just include white orbs - but people with life like details before vanishing. when I tried to argue with him he wouldnt even listen to me that what I saw was not a white orb. Instead, out of his skepticism, he was sooooo sure that what I saw HAD to have been a white orb since there is no current explanation for anything else.[/b]

I also agree w/ this statement, for I have seen a ghost before (actually more than one ghost) and I even had a witness to the siting! I'd like to hear the explanation for that! Mass hysteria maybe??? Though I think there has to be more than 2 people in order for it to be considered mass hysteria. Either way, they'd probably come up w/ some pathetic excuse for an explanation.

youre not reading enough of them! theres a lot more that happens in NDEs. for example, some NDErs witness what happened in the emergency room, when they were unconscious or assumed dead.[/b]

I never said that I don't believe in OBEs. That is more than likely what these people were experiencing. Since their body flat lined for a few minutes, they had an OBE b/c the soul really had no place to be at the moment. I have a weird theory, which you'll probably think is pure crap, but I'm going to state it anyway. I think your soul is basically the same as your dream body. When you're dreaming, your body is not actually in the dreams but your dream/astral self is, which could also be considered as your soul, I suppose. That's why I think the afterlife is more like an LD, b/c the soul is just swept off into the dream/astral world (or whatever you want to call it).

Near death experiences? How about death experiences?

My uncle drowned. He was clinically dead for a little over five minutes. He was vaguely christian before the experience. He saw nothing. Just oblivion. He is now a complete atheist.

In my opinion, the type of experince generated MAY depend on the method of death. Drowning, I guess, produces no release of DMT. Other types of death do, it seems.

was he aware of oblivian or just nothing happened? there are others who report being in a room of darkness

He said it was... oblivion.

Like, when you SLEEP, you have a period of "blankness", but you still have this unshakeable sensation of time having past, continuity... not like a "gap" in your life. But my uncle, he said (If I remember this right) that it was more like an absolute... gap. Blank. Nothingness.

lol juroara, seriously, maybe if you believed in evolution you would understand why scientist think they way they do. And they are right. Also, it doesn't matter whether it are 'just' chemical reactions or not. If you feel 'love' or 'hate', you just do. The chemical and neural things that cause/go accompanied by love/hate are just factors that influence the conscious. You are talking like love can never 'just' be chemical and physiological cascades. It can, it is.

Still very nice thing, emotions. Also, your emotional () appeal of "oh if you think like that you can never really understand 'Higher' love" has no rational ground to stand on.

again neruo shows how little you know about me and how much you just assume. I actually do believe in evolution, thanks. im sorry you dont understand how love can be more than a chemical reaction