Thread: Dateline: To Catch A Predator

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

Read this article.[/b]

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.

Also, I agree with Universal on this subject.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

The way I look at it is, if the person is willing to go and commit those kinds of acts, they deserve to be shamed in front of everyone. Everyone needs to know what kind of sickos exist and who they are. They're actually going easy on these kinds of people compared to what SHOULD be done to them.[/b]

They 'deserve' that? What purpose has that? It isn't quite helping society, is it? Isn't it pure sadism then? I understand why people would like to see pedophiles get mentally abused as much as their victims, but that really doesn't make Anyone better. They should just be put in jail or a mental hospital, and not be released until certain they will never do it again.

As Neruo said... I don't think it's really "helping."

Please correct me wrong here, as I am not TOO familiar with the show and I might have the wrong interpretation here... buttt...

For one, they couldn't throw one of those people in jail. They haven't actually DONE anything yet. They can't be convincted of anything, because they didn't actually do anything. Even if they were convicted for "intent" to do something (which I don't think would happen), it would obviously not be for very long. I think that national humiliation would just make them much, much more agressive/sociopathic because of how mad they are at the world. They probably wouldn't care too much about "subtletly."

Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeeeess... what is the point? THC level have gone up like 1000% since the seventies, that still doesn't make it dangerous like alcohol is dangerous.[/b]

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.

I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

More addiction, stronger effects in both health and highness. There are many bad things that this could cause.[/b]

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.

Nicotine is FAR more addictive, as is alcohol. I don't see your problem with Marijuana, a drug that has proven to be one of the most harmless drugs out there.

I also kinda agree with universal but I am still not too sure. The question of whether or not this would cause an increased number of drug users still remains. We wouldn't want too many additional drug users because that would decay so many precious American minds but then again it's better than having a bunch of cocaine and heroine users running around.[/b]

Well, people in the Netherlands can buy marijuana in shops, and we don't have that much drug users here to my knowledge. I remembered reading that in America, more people/teenagers smoke weed then here.

How does marijuana decays 'precious American minds'? Do you think that if you smoke weed once or twice a month with your friends you turn into a worthless, criminal, people-killing slacker? People can function just fine if they do marijuana every now and then like in the weekend. I saw this documentary about medical marijuana in the US, and this lawyer said he smokes 3 joints a day, an amount that probably only 5% or less of the marijuana users in the US smoke, and he functioned fine at his job.

Drugs aren't as dangerous as you think. Nascar is dangerous too, and it gives the people that do it a high to, but you don't see that getting banned : / Drugs have risks like any other thing, thus it should be controlled (not forbidden) by the government, to make sure people use it responsibly.

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Originally Posted by CymekSniper

As Neruo said... I don't think it's really "helping."

Please correct me wrong here, as I am not TOO familiar with the show and I might have the wrong interpretation here... buttt...

For one, they couldn't throw one of those people in jail. They haven't actually DONE anything yet. They can't be convincted of anything, because they didn't actually do anything. Even if they were convicted for "intent" to do something (which I don't think would happen), it would obviously not be for very long. I think that national humiliation would just make them much, much more agressive/sociopathic because of how mad they are at the world. They probably wouldn't care too much about "subtletly."[/b]

Actually, I saw this movie of this pedophile that got caught 2 times in a month on the same show : ) Pretty silly. And yes, national humiliation might make them even worse. This makes me wonder: there has to be one of those pedophiles that shot himself after that show.. kind of hard to make friends again after that show airs.

saying they should be shamed in front of everyone is like saying we should have public executions

Originally Posted by Neruo

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.[/b]

Are you fucking serious? You actually believe that? *Sigh* Screw this I'm gonna make an actual reply later.

Most of these people have an "it cant happen to me" attitude.

Yeah I totally forgot about this thread.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Where have you gotten this 'education'? THC is hardly addictive, only slightly psychological. Like food. Heck, a larger percentage of people in the western world that eat get psychologically addicted / health problems with food, then people that do marijuana get psychologically addicted /heath problems from marijuana.[/b]

THC may not be that addictive but if you increase the amount of the chemical in marijuana, don't you think you might have a larger chance of getting addicted? Not only that, but people might continue to use marijuana because it is more powerful and its effects last longer so it makes them feel it more so then they continue to use it and then have a higher risk of getting addicted. People may have a lot of health problems due to food but many aren't addicted to it. If people would stop eating so much fast food then people's health might increase.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Nicotine is FAR more addictive, as is alcohol. I don't see your problem with Marijuana, a drug that has proven to be one of the most harmless drugs out there.[/b]

Nicotine is more addictive. For alcohol, I cannot say. I wish there was a way to stop the usage of both, however.
When exactly was it proven marijuana was one of the most harmless drugs out there?

Originally Posted by Neruo

How does marijuana decays 'precious American minds'? Do you think that if you smoke weed once or twice a month with your friends you turn into a worthless, criminal, people-killing slacker? People can function just fine if they do marijuana every now and then like in the weekend. I saw this documentary about medical marijuana in the US, and this lawyer said he smokes 3 joints a day, an amount that probably only 5% or less of the marijuana users in the US smoke, and he functioned fine at his job.[/b]

Some people can function fine, but some get addicted and others turn to other drugs. You are still killing your mind by smoking pot and even if you can still function properly at you might be ruining your chance at something higher,

Originally Posted by Neruo

Drugs aren't as dangerous as you think. Nascar is dangerous too, and it gives the people that do it a high to, but you don't see that getting banned : / Drugs have risks like any other thing, thus it should be controlled (not forbidden) by the government, to make sure people use it responsibly.[/b]

Why don't you tell the victims of drug overdose that drugs aren't dangerous? Everything is dangerous to and extent, but there are better things you could be doing with your life than snorting cocaine three times a day or sitting inside your house and smoking joints.

FYI I consider getting drunk and dieing in a car accident to be a drug overdose.

and BTW I am offended that you would even mention Nascar here. You assume I like Nascar and watch Nascar. I DON'T. Example of stereotypes everyone.....

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

THC may not be that addictive but if you increase the amount of the chemical in marijuana, don't you think you might have a larger chance of getting addicted? Not only that, but people might continue to use marijuana because it is more powerful and its effects last longer so it makes them feel it more so then they continue to use it and then have a higher risk of getting addicted. People may have a lot of health problems due to food but many aren't addicted to it. If people would stop eating so much fast food then people's health might increase.[/b]

When you previously replied to this part of what I said you sounded a bit more freaked out : )

Anyhow: Do you know how many people do Marijuana in the U.S.? A great deal. How many deaths does Marijuana cause, and how much does obesity cause? No-one has died directly from marijuana (THC) over dosage. Also, you don't think people are addicted to food? Then please, tell me: Why do SO many people fail at going on a diet? Why do so many people in America and more and more in Europe say: "I am to fat, I am going to lose weight." but fail at it? Really, food can be quite addictive.

Also, you just assume more THC means more addiction. I doubt that's the case. THC isn't even physically addictive. Besides, if people have weaker marijuana they just smoke more. In America, most weed is smoked pure (so I have heard), In the Netherlands, where there is far more THC in the marijuana, people smoke it with tobacco. You get get just as high with low-thc weed as with high-thc weed, it just takes other dosage. It is like with alcohol, addicted to wine or addicted to whiskey, does that really matter? I doubt it.

Are we going to ban email too? It is worse for your mind then marijuana
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04...l_destroys_iq/

Addictive, what isn't? Sex can be addictive. Food can be addictive. Racing cars can be addictive. I don't see why marijuana should be banned for use by adults and racing cars shouldn't.

Nicotine is more addictive. For alcohol, I cannot say. I wish there was a way to stop the usage of both, however.
When exactly was it proven marijuana was one of the most harmless drugs out there?[/b]

While I was looking that up, I came across a whole bunch of interesting studies:

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Alcohol is worse then Narcotics
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...=rss-topstories

Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/s...502012,00.html

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_me...T00:00:09-00:00
There was little evidence that ecstasy caused extensive harm, despite its widespread use by young people in clubs and pubs at weekends. Cannabis has been cited as a cause of schizophrenia but the authors said a causal relationship had not been established. If it were, evidence showed no more than 7 per cent of cases could be attributed to use of the drug.


lol the schizophrenia-argument isn't even proven properly, yet they use it to scare children.

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Anyhow, http://tailrank.com/1592243/Alcohol-is-mor...us-than-ecstacy here is a whole list of articles.

Point being:


I might have made somewhat of a mistake there: Cannabis isn't the most safe drug... XTC is more safe, as is LSD... as are some other drugs that can get you hard time in jail. However, of the 3 most popular drugs, alcohol, tobacco and marijuana, the latter is by far the safest.

Some people can function fine, but some get addicted and others turn to other drugs. You are still killing your mind by smoking pot and even if you can still function properly at you might be ruining your chance at something higher,[/b]

what a bunch of nonsense. I know of a whole bunch of students that like to smoke marijuana in the weekends, but preform fine. HOW is it killing your mind? You are just talking American-government-scare-infomercial nonsense. Marijuana does nothing with your mind on long term, expect for an unproven small percentage of people that probably would find an other addiction.

Why don't you tell the victims of drug overdose that drugs aren't dangerous? Everything is dangerous to and extent, but there are better things you could be doing with your life than snorting cocaine three times a day or sitting inside your house and smoking joints.[/b]

Like sitting behind your TV, eating McDonalds 3 times a day, and base-jumping?

FYI I consider getting drunk and dieing in a car accident to be a drug overdose.[/b]

Do you also consider someone drinking 10 red bulls, or 25 cups of coffee and dieing in a car accident to be drug overdose?

and BTW I am offended that you would even mention Nascar here. You assume I like Nascar and watch Nascar. I DON'T. Example of stereotypes everyone.....[/b]

Actually, I just recently learned that especially rednecks like Nascar, I didn't even know. Also, I was just pointing out that a lot of people get a kick out of certain things that are dangerous. Sky diving, nascar, any form of racing, ect ect.

How different is people getting addicted to sky-diving from people getting addicted to marijuana? Both rarely happen. If anything, all you named is an argument FOR drug legalization, so you don't give the group that is most likely to get addicted access anymore: Children. Name a reason why not to legalize LSD, a very safe, studies show, harmless, un-addictive drug. Drugs should be regulated, not forbidden, like sky-diving, car-racing and base-jumping is.

There still isn't a reason not to legalize marijuana, -and now I have learned, LSD, XTC and some other drugs found to be safer then tobacco-, since people are going to use it anyway.

Originally Posted by Neruo

When you previously replied to this part of what I said you sounded a bit more freaked out : )

Anyhow: Do you know how many people do Marijuana in the U.S.? A great deal. How many deaths does Marijuana cause, and how much does obesity cause? No-one has died directly from marijuana (THC) over dosage. Also, you don't think people are addicted to food? Then please, tell me: Why do SO many people fail at going on a diet? Why do so many people in America and more and more in Europe say: "I am to fat, I am going to lose weight." but fail at it? Really, food can be quite addictive.[/b]

Food can be addictive, as can anything, but if the health standards were improved we would avoid most the health risks . Unfortunately, when people get older it becomes harder to lose weight. People may be failing at losing weight because they are not including exercise or they are starving themselves and want food even more. They may be losing faith in themselves because it is hard to exercise if they already have a lot of extra pounds on them.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, you just assume more THC means more addiction. I doubt that's the case. THC isn't even physically addictive. Besides, if people have weaker marijuana they just smoke more. In America, most weed is smoked pure (so I have heard), In the Netherlands, where there is far more THC in the marijuana, people smoke it with tobacco. You get get just as high with low-thc weed as with high-thc weed, it just takes other dosage. It is like with alcohol, addicted to wine or addicted to whiskey, does that really matter? I doubt it.[/b]

So what you are telling me is that somebody who drinks one beer is going to be just as intoxicated as someone who drinks ten? Interesting.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Are we going to ban email too? It is worse for your mind then marijuana
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04...l_destroys_iq/[/b]

I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that we do not need another poison killing our minds whether it be marijuana or email, people shouldn't use either. I only use email for account registration on websites. People need to realize technology can be abused just like anything else.

Originally Posted by Neruo

what a bunch of nonsense. I know of a whole bunch of students that like to smoke marijuana in the weekends, but preform fine. HOW is it killing your mind? You are just talking American-government-scare-infomercial nonsense. Marijuana does nothing with your mind on long term, expect for an unproven small percentage of people that probably would find an other addiction.[/b]

You already answered your HOW is it killing your mind question in that link you provided me. Please tell me why the American government would lie to us about using marijuana?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Like sitting behind your TV, eating McDonalds 3 times a day, and base-jumping?[/b]

Absolutely not! Riding your bike, climbing a tree, going out with girls, enjoying your friends (actual friends, not the people you get high with who would abandon you in a heart beat), playing a video game that makes your heart beat faster and faster with adrenaline, and ofcourse, preparing yourself for dreaming.

I feel as if you think smoking marijuana is one funnest and best things you can do in your spare time. Though, I am probably wrong on this...

Originally Posted by Neruo

Do you also consider someone drinking 10 red bulls, or 25 cups of coffee and dieing in a car accident to be drug overdose?[/b]

Yes, actually I would but that rarely (if ever) happens

Originally Posted by Neruo

How different is people getting addicted to sky-diving from people getting addicted to marijuana? Both rarely happen. If anything, all you named is an argument FOR drug legalization, so you don't give the group that is most likely to get addicted access anymore: Children. Name a reason why not to legalize LSD, a very safe, studies show, harmless, un-addictive drug. Drugs should be regulated, not forbidden, like sky-diving, car-racing and base-jumping is.

There still isn't a reason not to legalize marijuana, -and now I have learned, LSD, XTC and some other drugs found to be safer then tobacco-, since people are going to use it anyway.[/b]

Actually, I did make an argument FOR legalizing marijuana if you will read my previous posts again. In fact, it is quite similar to the one you are making now This argument is not about other drugs so I really don't care what is said about them. The reason I brought marijuana up is because if they legalize marijuana, it could solve certain problems this country has with drugs. I chose marijuana because it is one of the less harmful drugs.

Edit: Pew, looooooong post. Please just read it, and like I say later on: You don't really have to respond to everything, that would take ages.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

Food can be addictive, as can anything, but if the health standards were improved we would avoid most the health risks . Unfortunately, when people get older it becomes harder to lose weight. People may be failing at losing weight because they are not including exercise or they are starving themselves and want food even more. They may be losing faith in themselves because it is hard to exercise if they already have a lot of extra pounds on them.[/b]

What are you saying here? 'If health standards were improved'? Are you saying that America doesn't have proper heath standards? It is personal choice: If you can choose between an apple and some spinach or a fatty hamburger, people choose the hamburger.

Besides, everyone that is overweight can stop eating unhealthy, and start living healthy. By far most that want to stop being unhealthy, just can't break the habit of being unhealthy. Honestly, don't you think more people can not stop eating unhealthy, even if they are overweight and know it, then people that realize they smoke to much marijuana can stop doing it?

Point being: Why be against legalization of Marijuana, and not against addictive food? In all aspects, a ban on fatty, sugary foods would be better for humanity: Less people would die, economy would be better (way less medical bills for society), fat people often aren't as happy as healthy people.


Cardiovascular is the number one cause of death in western countries.

Ban McDonalds? I rather see people be properly educated, and been given the freedom to make their own choice. Same with drugs.

So what you are telling me is that somebody who drinks one beer is going to be just as intoxicated as someone who drinks ten? Interesting.[/b]

Didn't you read what I said correctly? I said that if you take 5 beers, you are getting just as drunk as with 1 glass of whiskey. Also, if I drink beer, I drink a whole lot more then I drink whiskey. Also, I can get as shit-faced with both beverages (because I stop liking whiskey and such after a few glasses, really makes me puke).

Get the simile? If I wanted to get stoned, I could either smoke some good weed, with like 15% THC, or bake a cake with a whole lot of crappy 5% THC weed in it, or smoke some more of the weaker-weed. Fact remains that THC (active substance in marijuana) isn't physically addictive. Also, if people want to get stoned, they will take as much as they want. 'Weak' marijuana isn't going to stop them.

I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that we do not need another poison killing our minds whether it be marijuana or email, people shouldn't use either. I only use email for account registration on websites. People need to realize technology can be abused just like anything else.[/b]

I have nothing to say to that except I believe this proves that everything we do can be another poison killing our minds whether it be unhealthy food, tv, dangerous sports or email, people should use everything with moderation. People need to realize technology can be enjoyed and abused just like anything else.

Ha.

Also, are you seriously saying we should make email as illegal as marijuana? And TV? Did you know that watching tv makes your brain as in-active as quite a few drugs do? Ban that too?

You already answered your HOW is it killing your mind question in that link you provided me. Please tell me why the American government would lie to us about using marijuana?[/b]

It started with Hemp, a plant great for ropes, clothes, paper and many many many other things besides getting high, being to competitive to paper-manufacturers. Banning it had some sort of economical advantage.

Also, Reagan if I recall correctly needed something to divert attention from all the shit that was going wrong. Declaring 'drugs as the US' number 1 enemy' or something.

And, are you saying that it doesn't score? My conservative grandparents would certainly vote for someone that sais"We ban all drugs.". They would Never vote on someone that says: "we should give people the choice to use drugs, and get drugs out of criminality." They are deaf to the last part. In their minds, drugs are all bad. With fear drugs have been made 'taboo' or something to Hate in the minds of all people.

I get really annoyed if people say "drugs this, drugs that' without realizing that alcohol is a drug in every way. An anti-drug person drinking alcohol is pure hypocrisy.

I saw a really interesting documentary about hemp. About the actual plant, not about the stoner-shit. Quite interesting. I couldn't find it.

Absolutely not! Riding your bike, climbing a tree, going out with girls, enjoying your friends (actual friends, not the people you get high with who would abandon you in a heart beat), playing a video game that makes your heart beat faster and faster with adrenaline, and ofcourse, preparing yourself for dreaming.[/b]

lol. I wasn't taking about 'going out with girls' at all, how the hell did you drag that in here? I was talking about dangarous, fun things. What is the REAL difference between riding a motorcycle and smoking some marijuana? Seriously?! Both are dangarous, a lot of people get hooked a bit on both. Both are a bit dangerous, and a bunch of fun.

Also, you are extremely misguided. Seriously, the biggest bullshit you said till now is to think that 'stoner friends' are all a bunch of cruel assholes. How the FUCK do you get such a retarded idea? You are saying that without any reason at all. Maybe heroin or cocaine addicts would be such assholes. Besides that, I like to do drugs like alcohol or marijuana WITH my friend, they aren't my friends BECAUSE we do that. Where do you get the idea.

I feel as if you think smoking marijuana is one funnest and best things you can do in your spare time. Though, I am probably wrong on this...[/b]

Yes, quite. I don't even like it that much. However I hate people being hypocritical wanting to ban it, while it is less dangerous then many, many legal things. It is a fact that there are many things that are more addictive and dangerous then marijuana, like alcohol, tobacco and other things. You never hear anyone wanting to ban those. Pure hypocrite's.

Do you want to know how YOU sound? You sound like you have this very warped idea inside your head that everyone that likes to smoke marijuana once a month or few weeks -like most people do-, is a lazy, stupid, unmotivated, friendless, addicted junkie. I don't know where you get that idea. Fuck, even my mother knows better.

Yes, actually I would but that rarely (if ever) happens[/b]

Research shows that caffeine makes you a crappy driver. Ban caffeine? Research also shows that aggressive music makes you a crappy driver. Ban aggressive music in cars?

Be consistent. Why only be against marijuana, not against other dangerous, mentally 'addictive' things?

Actually, I did make an argument FOR legalizing marijuana if you will read my previous posts again. In fact, it is quite similar to the one you are making now This argument is not about other drugs so I really don't care what is said about them. The reason I brought marijuana up is because if they legalize marijuana, it could solve certain problems this country has with drugs. I chose marijuana because it is one of the less harmful drugs.[/b]

I am sorry, I forgot you were for marijuana. I guess everyone, even critics, can see that getting it out of the criminal circuit would only have positive sides.

However, you still have some weird 'grudge' against marijuana...


Okay, this post is getting to long, you don't have to reply to every single part, just read it. I do have some questions I would like you to answer me:


-Shouldn't people have the choice to choose what they want to do with their own bodies? I am talking about doing something that does not put anyone in danger. I am not just talking about drugs, but everyone that can hurt only that person. Like sky-diving or something like that.

-What is wrong with LSD and XTC? Studies prove it aren't dangerous drugs at all comparing to alcohol can tobacco. Especially LSD for instance. LSD seriously isn't addictive. From what I heard, most people say "that was great and wonderful, but I am not going to do that for at least a year". Are you also for legalizing LSD?

-Where did you get the idea marijuana is super-bad? Some people some a little to much, but what about all the people that occasionally smoke it. Do you know how much people in college smoke marijuana? Don't think there aren't tens of thousands of doctors, lawyers, managers that never smoked some marijuana in college or university.

-Have you ever tries it yourself ? I garuantee you that you will not get addicted, or that your IQ will drop, or that you will become schizophrenic. However, I am sure that you probably will remain this way, (thus never try it) unless if right now you are below 18 or something. Drugs really have a bad name in the media and such, while if used responsibly it can bring joy.

ha, I just remember my biology teacher saying that ("if used responsibly it can also be fun.". Back then I was like: "Omg?! He is promoting drugz!1 Drugs R bad!!1". While actually he was just stating a fact.