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      Federally Funded Researchers Want To Scrap The Internet
      Seeking further funding from Congress for "clean slate" projects

      Infowars.net | April 16, 2007
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      Researchers funded by the federal government want to shut down the internet and start over, citing the fact that at the moment there are loopholes in the system whereby users cannot be tracked and traced all the time.

      Time magazine has reported that several foundations and universities including Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are pursuing individual projects, along with the Defense Department, in order to wipe out the current internet and replace it with a new network which will satisfy big business and government:

      One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.

      There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."

      The projects echo moves we have previously reported on to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a new form of the internet known as Internet 2 .

      This would be a faster, more streamlined elite equivalent of the internet available to users who were willing to pay more for a much improved service. providers may only allow streaming audio and video on your websites if you were eligible for Internet 2.

      Of course, Internet 2 would be greatly regulated and only "appropriate content" would be accepted by an FCC or government bureau. Everything else would be relegated to the "slow lane" internet, the junkyard as it were. Our techie rulers are all too keen to make us believe that the internet as we know it is "already dead" .

      Google is just one of the major companies preparing for internet 2 by setting up hundreds of " server farms " through which eventually all our personal data - emails, documents, photographs, music, movies - will pass and reside.

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      However, experts state that the "clean slate" projects currently being undertaken go even further beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of which focus primarily on next-generation needs for speed.

      In tandem with broad data retention legislation currently being introduced worldwide, such "clean slate" projects may represent a considerable threat to the freedom of the internet as we know it. EU directives and US proposals for data retention may mean that any normal website or blog would have to fall into line with such new rules and suddenly total web regulation would become a reality.

      In recent months, a chorus of propaganda intended to demonize the Internet and further lead it down a path of strict control has spewed forth from numerous establishment organs:

      * In a display of bi-partisanship, there have recently been calls for all out mandatory ISP snooping on all US citizens by both Democrats and Republicans alike.

      * Republican Senator John McCain recently tabled a proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.

      * During an appearance with his wife Barbara on Fox News last November, George Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an "adversarial and ugly climate."

      * The White House's own recently de-classified strategy for "winning the war on terror" targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to "diminish" their influence.

      * The Pentagon recently announced its effort to infiltrate the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.

      * In a speech last October, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills." His solution is "intelligence fusion centers," staffed by Homeland Security personnel which will go into operation next year.

      * The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress. Criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year could be the punishment for non-compliance.

      * A landmark legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations seeks to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument is supported by the U.S. government.

      * A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.

      * The European Union, led by former Stalinist and potential future British Prime Minister John Reid, has also vowed to shut down "terrorists" who use the Internet to spread propaganda.

      * The EU data retention bill, passed last year after much controversy and with implementation tabled for late 2007, obliges telephone operators and internet service providers to store information on who called who and who emailed who for at least six months. Under this law, investigators in any EU country, and most bizarrely even in the US , can access EU citizens' data on phone calls, sms', emails and instant messaging services.

      * The EU also recently proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.

      * The US government is also funding research into social networking sites and how to gather and store personal data published on them, according to the New Scientist magazine . "At the same time, US lawmakers are attempting to force the social networking sites themselves to control the amount and kind of information that people, particularly children, can put on the sites."

      We are being led to believe that a vast army of maniac pedophiles or terrorists are on the loose and we must do away with all forms of privacy in order to stop them. This is akin to saying that blanket cctv prevents crime. As if to say "if we film everyone all the time, even innocent people, then no one will ever commit any crimes."

      Increasingly we are seeing this in every aspect of our lives. Recording, tracking and retaining our data in the name of keeping us all safe. Everyone is now treated as guilty until proven innocent.

      Make no mistake, the internet, one of the greatest outposts of free speech ever created is under constant attack by powerful people who cannot operate within a society where information flows freely and unhindered. Both American and European moves mimic stories we hear every week out of State Controlled Commu nist China, where the internet is strictly regulated and virtually exists as its own entity away from the rest of the web.

      The Internet is freedom's best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate their populations under a surveillance panopticon prison, whether that be in Communist China, Neoconservative America or the Neofascist EU.[/b]


      I know infowars isn't the most unbiased source of information or sanity, but you can only bias something so much. Even if this is only a slight truth, it's still way more than I want to see happening. Are they completely insane? I think if this really did come through, way too many people would be outraged; but what the hell could be done about it? I dont think many people'd start a revolution because of the internet, but its completely out of line :/
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      Don't worry. It's just a few nuts talking that nonsense. The world may be run by governments, but the governments are run by the rich (voters are more powerful, but business lobbies are pretty damn powerful). The rich don't want their internet being shut down even for three seconds, much less for the days and weeks it would take for the confusion to be worked out, because the loss of business would cause them unbearable agony, so the internet won't be interrupted. Even if the threat were significant, the public could threaten to boycott any business that had anything to do with it. Then the threat would go away. Money is the weak spot of the powerful.
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      What he said...

      And beware of your sources.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pj View Post
      What he said...

      And beware of your sources.[/b]
      I traced the sources back to Time magazine, which said pretty much the same thing, minus the loaded imagery
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wolffe View Post
      I traced the sources back to Time magazine, which said pretty much the same thing, minus the loaded imagery[/b]
      Loaded imagery is Infowar's specialty. Alex Jones is the original master of taking a real news story that might be of concern or interest and turning it into a massive mind-numbing conspiracy that nobody wants to pay any attention to anymore.
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      But what if they really could do something like that? It is our constitutional right to be able to read conspiracy theories and blogs on the web (freedom of speech). Seriously, if something like that happened, the gov't would be able to control every single thing we do. They would choose what we read, view, what chat rooms/forums they deem okay for the internet. Forums like this where you talk about subjects that may be controversial or in opposition to the gov't would be banned. Or if they weren't banned, then every post that was against the gov't would be banned. I hope you people are right and that there wouldn't be a way for any of this to happen.
      "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chaos View Post
      But what if they really could do something like that? It is our constitutional right to be able to read conspiracy theories and blogs on the web (freedom of speech). Seriously, if something like that happened, the gov't would be able to control every single thing we do. They would choose what we read, view, what chat rooms/forums they deem okay for the internet. Forums like this where you talk about subjects that may be controversial or in opposition to the gov't would be banned. Or if they weren't banned, then every post that was against the gov't would be banned. I hope you people are right and that there wouldn't be a way for any of this to happen.[/b]
      Is it really? Let's see what the constitution really says about that:

      Amendment I:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.[/b]
      Ok - the government may not abridge the freedom of speech.

      I don't see a right to be able to read ANYTHING on the internet there.

      Who owns the internet?

      I'm playing the devil's advocate here a bit. The 'net is THE greatest free speech platforms that has ever come along - it has wiped out the costs of mass communicating, of communicating across distance, of publishing and more. But to assume that it is some sort of free domain that we have a RIGHT to is a serious error. The 'net, such as it is, is an assemblage of private and government property that grew out of ARPANET, a defense network established in the '60's to facilitate defense research and development.

      You have a right to stand on a street corner and say anything you want, and people have a right to stand around and listen to you. You have a right to buy a printing press, ink and paper and publish what you have to say, and you have a right to distribute it.

      There is NO RIGHT to the 'net. It is vulnerable. It has been attacked before and it will be again. Watch to see who is doing the attacking - it will give a clue as to their true motives.

      But don't make the mistake of trying to defend the 'net by calling it a right. It isn't. Not even close.

      I would also suggest not making the mistake of quoting Alex Jones or anything he's involved with in trying to get thinking people to support your cause.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pj View Post
      But don't make the mistake of trying to defend the 'net by calling it a right. It isn't. Not even close.[/b]
      Okay, if you want to be all technical about it, you're right. But I didn't mean that having the internet is our right, I'm saying that if we do have the internet, we should be allowed to view anything we want to view (W/exceptions of things that are already illegal)

      I would also suggest not making the mistake of quoting Alex Jones or anything he's involved with in trying to get thinking people to support your cause.[/b]
      Uh, I wasn't quoting him. I was just agreeing w/ him to an extent. Besides, I'm not the person who started the topic and I don't give a rat's ass as to whether you support 'my cause' or not. I don't know if the gov't would really be able to take over the internet. It seems like it would be possible, but who knows? I just think think that freedom of speech should not be limited on the internet like it is on TV. If people want to read odd garbage, no matter how unrealistic or conspiracy oriented it seems, they should be able to read it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chaos View Post
      Okay, if you want to be all technical about it, you're right. But I didn't mean that having the internet is our right, I'm saying that if we do have the internet, we should be allowed to view anything we want to view (W/exceptions of things that are already illegal)
      Uh, I wasn't quoting him. I was just agreeing w/ him to an extent. Besides, I'm not the person who started the topic and I don't give a rat's ass as to whether you support 'my cause' or not. I don't know if the gov't would really be able to take over the internet. It seems like it would be possible, but who knows? I just think think that freedom of speech should not be limited on the internet like it is on TV. If people want to read odd garbage, no matter how unrealistic or conspiracy oriented it seems, they should be able to read it.[/b]
      Apparently you missed the fact that I am mostly agreeing with you. You asked a question - "what if they could...?" Well, "they" can, and it is something to be concerned about. My intention was to point out the difference between effectively dealing with it and becoming a squealing moonbat, though I tried to address it on a level that I thought would lead to discussion.

      But since you don't seem to give a rat's ass for the discussion, I guess this is a good point to let this one go.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pj View Post
      I would also suggest not making the mistake of quoting Alex Jones or anything he's involved with in trying to get thinking people to support your cause.[/b]
      I agree, so here are the most disturbing original sources, for me

      Scrapping the internet

      Registering if you have a negative say about the government?

      No more YouTube for us then!



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      More like nineteen-eighty-FASCIST. America and England really have some fascist traits, especially on not caring about privacy : /

      Actually, they might have to build a New internet that isn't so fucked up and illogical like the current one, but not for 'omg we want to spy on everyone!1' reasons.
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