Thread: Global Warming

The temperature of the earth is always changing but it has never had to deal to humans like it has to now.

I don't see why people need concrete evidence for a possible issue as serious as this. The hints alone should be enough to start taking some measures.

Originally Posted by blade5x

The temperature of the earth is always changing but it has never had to deal to humans like it has to now.

I don't see why people need concrete evidence for a possible issue as serious as this. The hints alone should be enough to start taking some measures.[/b]

We wouldn't need concrete evidence for it if we didn't have concrete evidence against it....

EDIT: I found some graphs for you people who are too lazy or ignorant to watch the video.

CO2 vs temperature.



Hmm.... that looks like its quite similar....


But, not quite matching



Sunspot vs. Temp



Woah! one seems to be leading the other...

Published today by the New Scientist

http://environment.newscientist.com/.../earth/dn11462

"26 most common climate myths and misconceptions"

US 'opposes' G8 climate proposals

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6694227.stm


*edit*
btw, I'm not sure if I should be worried or relieved that there's been no comments after the New Scientist article, here....

Originally Posted by Ynot

Published today by the New Scientist

http://environment.newscientist.com/.../earth/dn11462

"26 most common climate myths and misconceptions"

Hey, great article, thanks for posting that. Goes in my favorites folder.

This "war on science" lately is really saddening, how a bunch of idiots can spew out pseudo-scientific crap, and people believe it and start reinforcing the mudslide of crap and lies. : /

Not something new, but lately I see it a lot in both anti-global-warming and in anti-evolution camps. Just outright false statements passed on as facts. <=/

Neruo, check out this mudslide...

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...ming-consensus

Read the credentials. Those are not exactly fruit salads the police found talking to walls in the French Quarter.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Neruo, check out this mudslide...

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...ming-consensus

Read the credentials. Those are not exactly fruit salads the police found talking to walls in the French Quarter.

Barely. There are a few good scientist opposing far-fetched theories about global warming. What you fail to see is that people criticizing some flaws in the bullcrap out there about global warming, doesn't mean those people don't realize we, mankind, actually do have an increasingly growing impact on nature and climate.

At least to me, this man doesn't sound like he doesn't believe in the same global warming I suspect is real:

"The increase in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is an observed fact and mankind is most certainly responsible. In the long term, this increase will without doubt become harmful, but its exact role in the climate is less clear. Various parameters appear more important than CO2. Consider the water cycle and formation of various types of clouds, and the complex effects of industrial or agricultural dust. Or fluctuations of the intensity of the solar radiation on annual and century scale, which seem better correlated with heating effects than the variations of CO2 content."

What this "answers.com" page does, is put a few random quotes of a few scientists together, what just proves that not everything that is said is true. It by no length means that all of global warming is made up.

Besides that, I don't see any form of refusal about the new pole caps expectations. As in: The shit (ice) is melting badly, and despite the reason, we (lol the Netherlands) are getting pretty Wet in the near future, like in 50 years I read in some article.

Just because a few scientists disagree on a few points on the global warming theory, you call it all bogus. Can't you see the thousands of scientists that Do see a certain risk in global warming? What you are doing is like what creationists are doing, saying evolution is nonsense because a certain part of it is argued upon by 'respected' scientists.

Still, not wasting oil, gas and other natural resources, and not burning and polluting the shit out of everything Has no down sides. Not on economical (in the medium-/long-run), not on public health, not on anything. I don't see your reasons for having such a hostile stance, a "Oh No, I heard to was bullcrap so we shouldn't pay attention to it at all"-attitude towards such a serious topic. Do you really need that SUV to finish your ego or something?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ng+documentary

i found this documentary interesting.

Neruo, I didn't call anything bogus. This is an issue where I don't have my mind made up because I admittedly don't know enough about it to take a side. I am just pointing out important things to consider, such as the fact that "global cooling" was the big panic of the 1970's and the list I posted of lots of scientists from major universities who specifically came forward together to say that humans are not causing global warming. I do believe that too many people are acting hysterical about global warming because it is, in many cases, just one more way to have fun dressing up and playing liberal. I really wish those people would take the world more seriously than they do.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Neruo, I didn't call anything bogus. This is an issue where I don't have my mind made up because I admittedly don't know enough about it to take a side. I am just pointing out important things to consider, such as the fact that "global cooling" was the big panic of the 1970's and the list I posted of lots of scientists from major universities who specifically came forward together to say that humans are not causing global warming. I do believe that too many people are acting hysterical about global warming because it is, in many cases, just one more way to have fun dressing up and playing liberal. I really wish those people would take the world more seriously than they do.

What really, REALLY annoys me, is this. You don't believe in global warming, not because you looked at the facts, or not because you just have that feeling, you don't believe in global warming because someone told you it is a strictly liberal thing, and oh my, you can't but hate those silly hippies. (at least you certainly bring it forward like that).

Global warming has Nothing to do with liberals, liberals talk more about it.

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It doesn't really change anything. Lets look at 3 cases:

A) We are fucking up the environment with pollution, and meanwhile we somewhat contribute to global warming, something that is certainly going to screw us in the ass with climate changes that will cause a lot of death and problems (especially to shit-poor Africa, some of ociania and as one of the few western countries: the Netherlands).

B) We are fucking up the environment with pollution, and meanwhile we completely, 100% caused global warming, something that is certainly going to screw us in the ass with climate changes that will cause a lot of death and problems (especially to shit-poor Africa, some of ociania and as one of the few western countries: the Netherlands).

C) We are fucking up the environment with pollution, and meanwhile, completely, 100% unrelated, though natural (extremely-long term) fluxuations there is this thing called global warming, some thing is certainly going to screw us in the ass with climate changes that will cause a lot of death and problems (especially to shit-poor Africa, some of ociania and as one of the few western countries: the Netherlands ).

I think it is A. You say you do to. You however, like sadly enough the Bush administration and such act like it is D.

D) Pollution? Nahhh. Nothing wrong with what we are doing now, so we keep on doing it.

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Anyhow.

Doesn't really matter what you think. The only thing I hope is that pollution -and Climate change- will be dangerous to the economy before it is extremely dangerous to the world, because that is the Only way people will get their head out of their ass. Mone-y Mone-y Mone-y..

Quite.

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Besides that.

What do you think of these claims I heard about certain oil/coal/stufflikethat companies that pay scientists to oppose global warming? It wouldn't be something surprising, or New for that matter.

Neruo, I think you need to read my post again. I have done a lot of looking at both sides, and I still don't know enough to make up my mind. There are experts and more experts on both sides. What I said about dressing up and playing liberal is that too many people are in it for that. I never said that all people who believe in global warming are doing that. I don't believe in global warming, but I also don't believe in the nonexistence of global warming. I am undecided. If I acted decided, I would be lying. The fact that it is possible to pollute the air in a city does not prove that we have the ability to substantially pollute the entire atmosphere of Earth.

The average temperature is always slowly changing, but that has been going on since the very beginning of Earth. That alone definitely does not prove that humans are causing global warming, and if you will see my link about the history of wishy washiness of the left regarding world temperature change, you will see why I am skeptical and why I think too many people are in this world debate without sincerity.

Neruo, you forgot point E

E) We do contribute to global warming but not enough for it to screw us in the ass with climate changes that will cause a lot of death and problems (especially to shit-poor Africa, some of ociania and as one of the few western countries: the Netherlands).

CO2 is natural. Theres alot more natural CO2 being produced then "man made" CO2...'

EDIT: And I just thought of another thing, theres been those huge spikes of CO2 over the centuries. No matter if temperature leads CO2 or CO2 leads temperatures... CO2 in the atmosphere increases and decreases naturally. Humans don't have to be part of this equation. Don't flatter yourself.

i dont believe in global warming.

sorry im on a late train here, i didnt read the whole thread, but MYTH?

i dunno about the usa but in our schools here in finland, we are taught alot about the Greenhouse effect, and yeah, im really worried if most of the americans dont know about it, (sry about the next bit but its true) since you guys are causing it the most!

p.s. say buh byes for these fellas

awww ^

Originally Posted by Snooze

i didnt read the whole thread

.... >.<

In other words, screw the arguments, heres some heartbreaking pictures?

P.S, the ice melts every year. Its likely those pictures aren't caused by the warming.

Originally Posted by arby

.... >.<

In other words, screw the arguments, heres some heartbreaking pictures?

P.S, the ice melts every year. Its likely those pictures aren't caused by the warming.

Doesn't matter. Bears are dieing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
tadaa.

I'm not getting too deep into this because I'll end up killing some one here. But I will point out two important details concerning the issue:

1) There is no such thing as "scientific consensus". If it's "consensus" then - by definition - it's NOT science, it's opinion.

And 2):

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Uh, you do know that polar bears can SWIM, don't you. Just because that bear happens to be lounging on that chunk of ice doesn't mean it's trapped there. Odds are it SWIMMED there. It's far from stranded there, as the bleeding hearts would have you think.

its cute though

Originally Posted by Snooze

its cute though

I'll give you that. It is a beautiful picture.

Can it swim that far?