Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Nobody has explained what Osama bin Laden had to gain from all this. He even said he was surprised when the buildings fell, as this was not part of his plan.

There is another factor to assess. Why did the second tower to be hit fall first? I would say, it was hit lower so it had more weight on the weakened parts.

For those who think there was a controlled demolition:

The demolition of the J.L. Hudson Department Store, which was 33 stories high, took 12 men 24 days to fully rig for demolition. How long do you think it would take to rig the WTC towers which were 100 stories high and WTC7 which was 47, and how would no one notice this at all?

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

ok first of all 9/11 was not an inside job..anybody who thinks that needs to learn the facts ..First off, our president is not smart enough to pull something off, second of all, the CONSPIRACY stories always change.. First it was "Oh omg! They put Bombs inside the WTC buildings and detonated them!" (right where the planes hit i might add) Then it was Some kind of chemical that was placed inside the WTC buildings that cut through metal quickly (right where the planes hit again I might add) Then it was missles with wings, then a military plane that hit the WTC...

And besides your going to sit there and tell the world that it was an inside job when you have no proof... Ok think of it this way, if it was really set up as an inside job, dont you think that SOMEONE would come forward and say something..or not even that, besides that, someone down the line and with time would say something to someone about it...

Also if you ever encounter a Conspiracy Theorist, please ask them to do this one thing if they think 9/11 was an inside job..

be like "Hey, I challenge you to give a detail plan and layout of how everything was set up and planned out.. What was used, how and why...."

I promise you they wont beable to give you a detail plan and layout of how it was all layed out..

and not only that if you do your research you will find out that Al-Qaeda (spelling) has already admitted to planning out 9/11

here is a link that took me 2 seconds to find

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258817,00.html

there you go,

PS: im sick of people saying 9/11 was an inside job or conspiracy, my brother who is an Army Ranger, Special Forces Green Beret is over in Iraq fighting for our country, and trust me, he's not fighting for nothing...

thanks

spiritofthewolf

Too bad they have already found proof...tons of it.

Molten metal flowing out of the towers. Absolutely consistent with a thermate (incendiary) reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA

Now recently by a micro-analysis of the dust they have found previously molten iron which could not have been produced by jet fuel fire, and such distribution of all of these spheres is only possible through explosives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732JtVBoyAU

And again, there are vast groups of experts forming that support the 911 Truth movement with empirical evidence.

Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

Scholars for 911 Truth and Justice

The Journal of 911 Studies

Professors and Government Experts
http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html#Morrone

and many others...

We might actually see a debate on this forum if people could stick to the empirically verifiable data, and not silly arguments like "Bush isnt smart enough to pull it off." Or "Someone should have come forward with an admission of guilt". Come on. People are not stupid enough to buy into any of these arguments.

Originally Posted by memeticverb

We might actually see a debate on this forum if people could stick to the empirically verifiable data, and not silly arguments like "Bush isnt smart enough to pull it off." Or "Someone should have come forward with an admission of guilt". Come on. People are not stupid enough to buy into any of these arguments.

Exactly.

I stopped posting here after I got tired of seeing those replies over and over. Oh, and also the ones that mention the dumb conspiracy theories as an argument that all theories are dumb.

No, just because someone decided to make up some theory about missile with wings and posted it on the internet doesn't make the other theories invalid. It only makes that theory invalid, dumb, and pointless to even mention in an argument.

Keep an open mind. Research, research, research... then make your own opinions about things. There were a few very good posts that helped explain some questions I had... that's because I read/saw the post/video, then researched some more, found out the credibility of the source, and thought it over based on what I already knew.

Empirically verifiable data is a nice way to put it memeticverb...

On the matter of 9/11 - I had a dream based on the command and conquer game last night. The goal was to destroy loads of towers to win the war. The spooky part is, at the end of the dream, President Bush personally won the war by destroying the last two towers in a plane. I didn't think anything of it until I wrote it in my dream journal, when I realised how conspiracy theory like it is.

Other than that - as a European, I try not to get involved in 9/11 debates out of respect for those who died.

I will ask it again. What would OSAMA BIN LADEN gain from claiming responsibility? He is a smart man, and i dont think he would get on America's bad side for no reason.

the funny thing is, is all the 9/11 videos about it being an inside job, have yet to be proven 110% true..they cant stand up to the REAL facts about what happened..If any of the video's were actually 110% PROVEN TO BE FACT, then it would be all over the news and there would be more about "9/11 was an inside job" in the news.....All i can say is this, wait until 2009, once we get a new president, the 9/11 conspiracy stuff will fade away..why...because people will be so focused on rebuilding our country after bush...

bush hasnt done anything to America. I'f im correct, our economy pretty much stayed the same.

tax dollars and education....what happened to that program he started "No child left behind"??? oh yah, it went to shit....

and if the WTC buildings were brought down by demolitions, then why did the buildings begin to fall from the top?? in controlled demolitions, the buildings begin falling from the bottom...

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

what happened to that program he started "No child left behind"??? oh yah, it went to shit....

Because it was shit to begin with. Directing tax dollars away from the children who care about learning and toward the kids who could care less about school, please explain how that's a good idea at all?

Originally Posted by MSG

Because it was shit to begin with. Directing tax dollars away from the children who care about learning and toward the kids who could care less about school, please explain how that's a good idea at all?

The problem with "no child left behind" was punishing schools with bad attendence records and bad grades by taking away funding. So in that way, bad schools were getting worse. What you said happens. too. Overall a stupid fucking idea.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

The problem with "no child left behind" was punishing schools with bad attendance records and bad grades by taking away funding. So in that way, bad schools were getting worse. What you said happens. too. Overall a stupid fucking idea.

Yeah, exactly - they never made any plans to help these children, but left it up to the schools to decide what to do with the delinquents.

I don't think I've ever seen this link posted before so:

http://ae911truth.org/

Just some food for thought.

Why dont you guys check the past of what happened to pearl harbor and how it was planned by bush administration? after pearl Harbor they had an open road to the war.
Gouvernments create a problem and they blame it on someone.. than people with anger offer a solution for them to go to WAR!! And this is WHAT they planned from the beginning ! problem-->reaction.-->>solution

Just check your freaking PAST and you will see that all answers are there! geez... USA needed a new Pearl Harbor and looks like they succeded in that.

Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Why dont you guys check the past of what happened to pearl harbor and how it was planned by bush administration?

THIS JUST IN: Pearl harbor was planned by the Bush Administration.

What's next, is somebody gonna say that the moon landings were faked?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I don't think I've ever seen this link posted before so:

http://ae911truth.org/

Just some food for thought.

Very nice website Oneironaut... just checked it.

Originally Posted by MSG

What's next, is somebody gonna say that the moon landings were faked?

Wha? You really believe they landed on the moon? pshhh......

j/k. :p

Sorry for the double post, but I just wanted to share this with you guys. Quoted from 911-research.com. I put in bold the sentence that really caught my attention. I can only say, brain-washing at its finest.

And no, I'm not jumping to conclusions that the media was involved. I'm just saying that it was brainwashing nonetheless, whether or not it was done on purpose. In other words, the American media is horribly biased, uninformative, and useless.

The Aftermath

The Official Response to the Attack

The aftershocks of the attack began immediately and continue to reverberate. So did its exploitation, primarily as a pretext for wholesale violations of civil liberties, the disappearance of government accountability, and a series of invasions of Central and West Asian countries.
On the day of the attack the television networks suspended normal programming and began wall-to-wall 24-hour "coverage" that would last a week, filling out the script of Osama bin Laden as mastermind of the attack with lots of background stories about Islamic terror. The networks' coverage of Ground Zero was framed almost exclusively as a human interest story of the tragedy of lost life and the rescue operation that soldiered on with "hope against hope." Questions about the plausibility of the official explanation of the collapses and about what officials were doing with the evidence of this vast crime went unasked.
On September 13th the White House announced that there was "overwhelming evidence" that bin Laden was behind the attacks. 1
Shutdowns and Evacuations

Evacuations of large buildings in major cities around the nation started soon after the towers in New York started crumbling. This clearly helped to bolster the psychological impact of the attack.
A shutdown in civil aviation went into effect on the morning of September 11th. Takeoffs were forbidden, and all aircraft in the air were ordered to land, in most cases at airports that were not their destinations. Starting September 13th certain charter jets were quietly allowed to fly, picking up members of the bin Laden family and spiriting them out of the country.
Legislation

The Bush Administration submitted the 342-page USA PATRIOT Act to Congress on September 24th, 2001, just 13 days after the attack. Other legislation would follow, but most of the policies enacted in the name of the War on Terror would be accomplished through executive orders.
Two Senators who attempted to slow the passage of the PATRIOT Act received letters containing Anthax.

honestly we will never know the TRUTH about how 9/11 went down, if it was terrorist of if it was the USA GOV or Elvis Presley... I dont know much about the JFK Asassination, but everyone thought it was a conspiracy--was that proven to be false or what? I mean with 9/11 40 years from now this debate will fade away, but still pop up here in there like JFK...And I may have said this before (but not sure) so i will say it again.. If either one of these Conspiracy Theories/videos/ whatever goes along with the Conspiracy Theories, were 110% true and to be proven FACT, then they wouldnt be called THEORIES because all THEORIES are, are just Guesses

1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture.

Spirit:

As long as people decide not to believe conspiracy theories, they can/will be called "conspiracy theories." If those that have the power to present facts to the world, with the authority that many people decide to believe, decline to deliver that information (especially if they are covering their own asses) they can/will be called "conspiracy theories."

The words "conspiracy theory" is just a label. Something that is completely true, if refused to be believed by any number of people, will be referred to as a conspiracy theory. Science text books, classrooms, seminars, etc. are littered with "FACTS" that are, at their core level, nothing but THEORIES. This makes them no less true, simply unproven beyond the shadow of doubt.

If a theory is good enough to be taught, in school, as the reason for the universe being formed, a conspiracy theory, in turn, is good enough to be taken seriously, long enough to be investigated into, discarded or confirmed.

Your argument(s) is (are) flawed.

damn it! lol

Haha. It happens.

Hyphothisis is an educated guess, theory is what is accepted as fact, although might not be true. So, conspiracy theories are really conspiracy hyphothises.

lol harry that is a good one

A theory is what a hypothesis becomes after a substantial amount of experimental support. The stuff about Bush going to war only for oil revenues is a hypothesis. The idea that Al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks is a theory. The point that the United States is under a major amount of threat right now is a fact.