Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

And where is the big chatter among construction/demolition professionals? And where is the major chatter from government workers (about a 9/11 coverup, not just any supposed corruption you think you have found)? And who faked the hostile takeover on flight 93? And who showed up for work posing as pilots? And who flew those airplanes? And why was the government willing to roll such risky dice? And why do you keep dodging these questions?

Hello?

I would like to ask, where were the explosives in the twin towers placed?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Hello?

The answer to those is. I don't know. The risky dice thing makes sense. They made sure that people would think it was a jihad invasion. They got what they wanted, the war of terror thing.

I have a question for you. Don't you want to know the truth? Do you even look at the facts, evidence the "conspiracy theorists" present. Don't tell me that when you see all the info you still don't see a reason to even doubt, just a little bit. Are you going to believe them, just because you're waiting for someone who took part in the inside job to stand up and speak. I know you're smart, but why blind yourself. It's true that I should be open minded, but with all I've seen I just can't believe the usual Osama did it because he's evil truth.

Half/Dreaming, for what it's worth:
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There are also videos of people talking about explosions and some videos showing the probable explosions themselves (the one on the base or the other ones, I'm no professional).

Originally Posted by Bonsay

The answer to those is. I don't know. The risky dice thing makes sense. They made sure that people would think it was a jihad invasion. They got what they wanted, the war of terror thing.

I have a question for you. Don't you want to know the truth? Do you even look at the facts, evidence the "conspiracy theorists" present. Don't tell me that when you see all the info you still don't see a reason to even doubt, just a little bit. Are you going to believe them, just because you're waiting for someone who took part in the inside job to stand up and speak. I know you're smart, but why blind yourself. It's true that I should be open minded, but with all I've seen I just can't believe the usual Osama did it because he's evil truth.

If my government pulled that superhorrendous act, which really wigged me out personally and shook up almost all of the people I know and care about for a long time, making us worry our asses off about our country having to go to war, possibly a world war, and face future terrorist acts where tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans or more could be killed in single attacks, then HELL YEAH I want to know. That would be very huge. I'm not shutting out the possibility of it. I am asking questions to try to understand the concept better, and I get almost nothing but evasiveness and insults. Do you know what the conversation in the last few pages of this thread reminds me of? It reminds me of the Religion forum. I am talking to people who passionately spew out their extreme views, and when I ask the most relevant questions that can be asked, I get flipped off and avoided. I am not merely trying to cross examine people and back them into corners. I really want to understand the areas where I think the logic fails, just like I do with Christianity. This is just like arguing with Keeper and Jeremysr. Since the very interesting and extremely serious notion has been thrown at me like I am a bastard of the universe for not believing it, I want to know how airplane and airport staff were fooled into thinking there were pilots on those airplanes. I want to know why construction and demolition experts all over the world are not engaged in large scale chatter, or even small scale chatter, just trace chatter. The only evidence I see has to do with tiny minorities of experts and large masses of nowhere near experts saying stuff about how boards and beams should have fallen and how a few firemen heard a loud noise when what used to be the two tallest buidings in the world were in the process of collapsing, and how some of the information about our most serious national security issue of all time is classified. That doesn't cut it for me, so I have to ask questions. I want to know why my government would take such an INSANE risk in order to bring about an incredibly controversial war. I want to know why government officials have not leaked that they were involved in the biggest horror stunt of all time. Not one wife or best friend! I want to know who is leading the major terrorist organization our soldiers are fighting in Iraq if it's not Bin Laden and Al-Zawihiri. I want to know who Al-Zarqawi really was. I want to know who Khallid Sheik Muhammed really was. I want to know who all of those people in Guantanamo Bay and the Iraq POW camps are. This is the most insane conspiracy theory I have ever seen masses of people take seriously, outside of religion. I want to understand the idea in such a way that all of my doubts about it have been cleared up. But I don't get much more than evasions and insults about how closed-minded I supposedly am, when really I am begging for my mind to be filled with answers. I am not getting them. I am dealing with a religion.

Yes it is a religion. But a religion is a theory, this is a hypothesis. Look, I can't get any of the info you want. I could dedicate my life and become eternaly marked as the conspiracy theorist who believes that Hitler is on the moon. Only that way I could get you the answers you want and even then I might never get them. I want to know all those things as well, everything you ask I have interest in aswell. Call me closed-minded, but you see I have a little switch that clicks when something makes enough sense to be real. Yes my opinions are very subjective, I'm not american, but this which I believe is true makes me quite angry. I could also look at it objectively and even when I do it all looks like an inside job. I want to know why wasn't anything done when the planes were hijacked, I want to know why didn't they send military planes to intercept the planes, I want to know why the military had hijack exercises that day, I want to know what's the deal with the supossed hijackers who supossedly couldn't even fly a plane, I want to know why some of the hijackers are still alive, I want to know why did the buildings fall while being built to withstand a direct hit by a plane, why did people feel, see, get hurt by explosions under the WTC, why were there signs of controlled demolitions, why is there only one pentagon video when there were many other cameras filming the plane or impact, why is there no plane visible in the pentagon, why is there so little damage.... I have as many questions as you. The technique "consipracy theorists" talk about was used before. Make it look like you were attacked, brainwash people, do what you want and they'll support you. It really isn't something new. The people might be "religious" but the "theory" isn't.

I still hold that if explosives were planted in the basement, the towers would have fallen like WTC 7 (the entire building would drop, and floors would cush from the lowest floors to the highest floors. Instead, the basements were the last to see damage)

The conspiracy theorists have formed into a cult. In the end, the evidence is overwhealming in support of the Al Qaeda theory, and is the result of all different government intelligence. It really makes me sick that people allow their own selfishness and need for self worth to point the finger in the exact wrong direction.

In the end, who had more to gain from 9/11? People who want oil, or people who want us dead? And so what if we are controlling oil over there? Iraq and Afghanistan will be better because of it.

Sorry, I just don't see the overwhelming evidence.
I don't think it's sick that people want the truth. The last time I checked the country is owned by the people (should be). If the people want something they should get it.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Sorry, I just don't see the overwhelming evidence.
I don't think it's sick that people want the truth. The last time I checked the country is owned by the people (should be). If the people want something they should get it.

Have you seen videos of the people that run 9/11truth.com/.org? They are up on their podiums screaming and yelling incoherant crap all over the place. These people think the people responsible for 9/11 are the same people that killed JFK. They get sick pleasure from it.

The reason you don't see overwhealming evidence is because the majority of evidence is so simple, it gets overlooked. ALL the conspiracy theories have never been proven. We "Al Qaeda theorists" have videos and signed papers from Osama bin Laden admitting to masterminding the attacks. We have phonecalls from the people on hijacked planes. What do conspiracy theorists have? It looks like maybe there were explosions here?

I watched a show on the history channel last night called "9/11 Conspiracy Theories: Fact or Fiction". They went though and thouroughly debunked every single conspiracy theory with overwhealming expert opinion. If I can find a link, I will post it.

I will also say again that anyone who believes explosives were placed in the BASEMENT is extremely stupid.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Yes it is a religion. But a religion is a theory, this is a hypothesis. Look, I can't get any of the info you want. I could dedicate my life and become eternaly marked as the conspiracy theorist who believes that Hitler is on the moon. Only that way I could get you the answers you want and even then I might never get them. I want to know all those things as well, everything you ask I have interest in aswell. Call me closed-minded, but you see I have a little switch that clicks when something makes enough sense to be real. Yes my opinions are very subjective, I'm not american, but this which I believe is true makes me quite angry. I could also look at it objectively and even when I do it all looks like an inside job. I want to know why wasn't anything done when the planes were hijacked, I want to know why didn't they send military planes to intercept the planes, I want to know why the military had hijack exercises that day, I want to know what's the deal with the supossed hijackers who supossedly couldn't even fly a plane, I want to know why some of the hijackers are still alive, I want to know why did the buildings fall while being built to withstand a direct hit by a plane, why did people feel, see, get hurt by explosions under the WTC, why were there signs of controlled demolitions, why is there only one pentagon video when there were many other cameras filming the plane or impact, why is there no plane visible in the pentagon, why is there so little damage.... I have as many questions as you. The technique "consipracy theorists" talk about was used before. Make it look like you were attacked, brainwash people, do what you want and they'll support you. It really isn't something new. The people might be "religious" but the "theory" isn't.

I am not lumping you in with the fanatics because you have shown that you can control yourself and are able to consider other views. The difference between the questions you posed and mine is that mine are rooted in undeniable facts. There are videos of Bin Laden and Al-Zawihiri, and I asked who they are. That is not the same as asking why some of the hijackers are still alive. BL and AZ are on video, or else actors playing them are on video. My question about who in the world they are is a question about undeniable reality, the reality that there are men in those videos. The idea that hijackers are still alive is not something undeniable. It is in a category with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. It is just like the claim that Elvis Presley is still alive. It sounds just like a Christian asking how Jesus rose from the dead and floated away. The same goes for those other questions, except the one about no military airplanes trying to shoot down Flight 93. The government most likely did prepare to do that and saw that it wasn't necessary, but that is not the type of thing they want to discuss with the public. It would not be necessary to discuss it, but it would be very freaky information for the families of the victims. I know for sure that the hijackers could fly planes. They attended flight schools in the U.S. There was a lot of discussion about that early on by the people who attended those schools with them. Experts have explained away all of the issues you raised, but I have yet to see anybody explain away most of the issues I raised. A large commercial passenger airplane doesn't just take off without pilots flying it without anybody noticing. Things that dime a dozen experts would understand are not going to be ignored by the masses of experts when those things are a part of the huge lie the government has been telling about the biggest news story of all time. The Al Qaeda theory has a ton more solidity to it than the government inside job hypothesis.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZe3AgOLGCQ

This video explains a very important issue. It shows Bill O'reilly beating some guy into the dirt, asking why the guy doesnt take his "evidence" to a foreign media to get the "truth" out. It also has some South Park for a humorous slant.

Why does no official media outlet approve of the conspiracy theory? Why don't all the nations that hate America, 2/3 of the world, jump on this proof and use it against us? Because its all bullshit and speculation. The only reason it survives is because its entertaining.

I am probably coming in very late to this subject, but.

Conspiracy or not, what has happened after 9/11 is completely wrong. Our government has used 9/11 to go into pointless wars to spread our goals in the middle east.

I don't think they planted bombs or any of that ridiculous shit (because I don't let college dropouts tell me what happened on 9/11, loose change) the worse that could have happened (if you look at history) is they let it happen. They got intelligence that such an event was coming, but they stood down. Because they need the support of the American people to perform what they wanted to perform. This is how we have gotten into almost every war.