Thread: ~They may assassinate me for this...~

Originally Posted by Ardor

Are you in debt? If you live in America, the chances are high that you are. I am a financial advisor for Primerica, the leading financial institution of America and todays figures show the average American now spends $1.26 for every dollar he earns.

How is that figure calculated? I would think anyone who has a mortgage would skew this number a whole lot... and having a mortgage is not a bad thing, so long as you can afford it... But if your household brings in say 80K, and you got a 300K mortgage, and you're breaking even (or saving/investing aggrssively), that year, you still effectively spent $3 for every dollar earned :p.

I'll watch the video in a bit, might be interesting... but if I were a conspirator, I wouldn't worry too much about the american public finding stuff out. When they think about bill clinton, all they remember is the monica lewinsky thing... clearly, people never think of the REAL important stuff. The day Paris Hilton got sent back to jail crying, that news report had more hits than three times all the stuff that actually matters. This is one of the reasons why people vote against their self-interests to begin with.

Its not a conspiracy, its a known fact, that few people ever bother to look up. If the majority of people in the US knew how our economy was actually ran, there would probably be a revolt.

Very powerful video, not sure how much is truth but its worthy of further investigation. Its very true that under the banner of terrorism liberties are being erroded, even here in the UK. We're going through the big ID card thing aswell, and passport changes, aswell as this laws are constantly coming about that threaten freedom for the sake of 'defeating terrorism'.
Its laughable that after the london bombings Blair said something along the lines of "Our way of life wont be changed by terrorists", then he proceeded to introduce law after law changing our way of life.

Thanks for the link anyway, an interesting watch.

I found very interesting the part where they mention the rockefeller call, as he goes "Afghanistan, Iraq, and take Chavez out of Venezuela". Since It all pretty much went in order, exept they weren't able to take out Chavez, specially if your vision of politics don't involve the people, in a place where the people have the power, It proves right, that we can make a choice as the people to fight any kind of powerfull minorities, if ignorance by opresion is no longer the battlefield. Nice vid

Originally Posted by Alric

Its not a conspiracy, its a known fact, that few people ever bother to look up. If the majority of people in the US knew how our economy was actually ran, there would probably be a revolt.

You know, Thomas Jefferson once said a revolt every once and a while was good for a country. And a warning to everyone, beware of credit cards!

On topic, I doubt it was a conspiracy. In the words of Howard Zinn, conspiracy theories are made to try to simplify things.

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

And a warning to everyone, beware of credit cards!

Amen to that.

What's wrong with credit cards?

Nothing assuming you pay off what you owe at the end of the month instead of building up a 12k debt like the average person in america. Sucks but if you have a 1,000 dollars saved up in the bank and no debt your richer than the average american.

Originally Posted by Alric

Its not a conspiracy, its a known fact, that few people ever bother to look up. If the majority of people in the US knew how our economy was actually ran, there would probably be a revolt.

Oh yes, quite likely : )

Originally Posted by Alric

Nothing assuming you pay off what you owe at the end of the month instead of building up a 12k debt like the average person in america. Sucks but if you have a 1,000 dollars saved up in the bank and no debt your richer than the average american.

So really, it's "beware of credit cards if you're an idiot with your money."

I'm quite happy the average american is getting nailed by the credit card companies - it means I get better deals (since rates don't affect me cause I pay it all off).

Originally Posted by Replicon

What's wrong with credit cards?

If you miss a payment on anything, thing can raise the price on everything. Read through the contract you get when you buy a credit a card. Never miss a payment or you are screwed.

well... don't miss a payment then.

Thanks for the link. I think this is one of the most important things I have ever seen.

Woh, wait a minute... I don't have to pay taxes? Yah, there's a catch here. If that were so, I don't care what you think of the people of this country - but there has to be at least ONE person out there who would be able to get this message out and clear. As for fear of being assasinated, fuck that, you'd be worshiped by more people than you'd ever need to protect you!

Very interesting piece - I'd love to see a piece that debates it's contents, just out of curiosity.

I actually know a few people who don't pay taxes. And believe it or not, what they say is true. You have to be careful though because the government takes it very seriously. You may find yourself in prison anyway, if you don't have everything in order.

As for someone out there with the message. There is actually a few books and even a couple movies out on this subject. I also been to a few websites and forums which talk about it. So don't think this information isn't out there, its just not common knowledge.

The thing to understand is that our government is a bureaucratic nightmare. Look at how many people have trouble filling out their taxes. Information like this falls through the cracks all the time.

By the way if you try it, theres a very good chance of being arrested. Most people get arrested, and then the government threatens them, they are going to take away your house, your car, lock up your bank accounts. Most people are not interested in fighting the government, its scary. Thats probably the biggest way they get you. If they can get you to make some kind of deal they got you. If you however go to court and defend yourself and put up a good arguement, you will get away as they can't legally keep you. So its not a simple process.

Yeah, there's a very good chance of getting arrested, that's for sure. Never the less, people have done their homework, and still can't find any law that has been passed which states people have to pay however much it is of their paycheques to the government. Here's some more food for thought: Ron Paul on CNBC 2004 - UnConstitutional Income Tax

By the way for people who don't pay attention, the guy who is against the tax(Ron Paul) is running to become president of the US.

Wow... Just wow... That video is a real eye opener for what is happening! And it's surely not just happening in the US, it's happening all over the world.
I've been noticing a lot of change that seeks to control people, even in my country. It's really sad to watch this "evil government" take control of everything... If they can...

Ok, I finished the video. Wow. I do not want to get a chip!!

By the way if you try it, theres a very good chance of being arrested. Most people get arrested, and then the government threatens them, they are going to take away your house, your car, lock up your bank accounts.

I see, so you're saying the government will resort to certain tacticts to get you to play ball (like fucking up your credit or framing you for murder)? Certainly wouldn't put it past them. But, if people have been succesfull doing this in the past, has the procedure been documented somewhere? Or, are these people who don't pay taxes part of the 'elite' ruling class with strong connections in the government? It just seems that whatever it is you have "in order" wouldn't mean shit if the government has the ability to easily rearrange this order.

I've been noticing a lot of change that seeks to control people, even in my country. It's really sad to watch this "evil government" take control of everything... If they can...

Well, apparently your government may be trying to copy our model here to "set up shop" there. Fortunately for you, you have an working example to show them of what can become of your country.

By the way for people who don't pay attention, the guy who is against the tax(Ron Paul) is running to become president of the US.

Well, he's certainly trying to cater to the younger crowds:
The Coulbert Report
The Daily Show

Unfortunately, he may be a bit too radical of a change for us at this time - not saying we don't need it, just don't think the majority could go for such a big change in government. Mostly because it's all we know.

Well I don't know about framing you for murder, atleast not the small guys who are not paying. They will mess up your credit though and pretty much everything else they can. You have unpaid parking tickets, they will throw you in jail for that. They will probably try to deal with you, pay half of what you owe and they will let you go, or they are going to put you in prison for 25 years. When they arrest you, they will keep you there so you lose your job and stuff. And if they do set bail it will be for like half a million dollars even though thats 10 times what you owe.

As for Ron Paul being radical, he is only radical when comparing him to other people running. Really most of the stuff he stands for is what the people want.

Originally Posted by Replicon

well... don't miss a payment then.

Don't spend money you don't have... or just get a DEBIT card... much easier to use

Well, a credit card is better, if you only buy what you can afford. Building credit means good things.

As for Ron Paul being radical, he is only radical when comparing him to other people running

Oh, I'm not saying he's radical. I meant the change in the system - a bit drastic compared to what we're used to.

Don't spend money you don't have... or just get a DEBIT card

Yep, I've been trying to do that. However, it depends on who I'm purchasing from. I don't like exposing my bank account info for online purchases and stuff.

Building credit means good things.

Credit is just another vice that can be used to manipulate people. People's lives have been devistated by identity theft. You can go from good upstanding citizen to being treated like a fraud or criminal simply by your credit history. Very sensitive information about us is nothing more than ones and zeros in a computer. Anyobe with access to those bits and bytes has you by the balls.

Anyone remember a show back in the 80's called Max Headroom? Semi-cheesy futuristic show. In one of the episodes (#4) the main character's record is updated by the government in order to have him caught so as not to expose a scandal. When his boss finds out what they charged him with "credit fraud" he replies "my God... that's worse than murder." I thought that was sooooo stupid back then - now it sort of makes sense.