Thread: A question about polar ice caps

Originally Posted by Harrycombs

By looking at the average increase in temperture over years....

Its easy to see the pattern. Go watch inconviniet Truth! They show a graph that shows that the temperture has been rising drasticly over the past 100 years!!! The Earth has been around 6 billion years, and its cycle has been working. But we are capable of changing it.

Once again, you cant determine the hell's-end prediction of climate on a 100+ year rise. It is just not logical.

Btw, how much money do you think people like Al Gore stand to make from their predictions? Caring sells. Drama sells.

I dont make conclusions. Many of you have said with 100% certainty that humans are going to kill the planet.

Please, PLEASE tell me you agree that global warming happens INDEPENDENT of human action. PLEASE tell me that

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Once again, you cant determine the hell's-end prediction of climate on a 100+ year rise. It is just not logical.

Btw, how much money do you think people like Al Gore stand to make from their predictions? Caring sells. Drama sells.

I dont make conclusions. Many of you have said with 100% certainty that humans are going to kill the planet.

Please, PLEASE tell me you agree that global warming happens INDEPENDENT of human action. PLEASE tell me that

It can. That happened from like 1000-1500. But if you look at the graph in inconvinient truth, it jumped. A lot. We are causing the world to heat up at an extremely rapid rate. Global warming is one of the causes of there being so many hurricanes. You can see the effects all ready.

Good. Atleast we agree on that. You would be amazed at how many people deny that.

The truth is, anything we predict is probably going to be wrong. We cant predict the future. I cant predict a cooling in 2020. Others cant predict an underwater Holland in 2050. But we do.

Correlation doesnt always show causation. Dont get me wrong, i dont think we shouldnt do nothing. At the least i would like cleaner air. I live in Atlanta. When im driving on I-20 into the city, i see that purple-greenish haze above the city. I would like nothing more than to see that go away.

Really, i just HATE it when people assume too much and tell me i am the future murderer of billions because of i drive an SUV, and because i am an American. The global warming cult is causing way too much smugness and self-ritcheousness (bad spelling, maybe).

Cleaner air, and stop cutting down trees (even though 3/4 of earth's Oxygen is created from sea algae). I will not argue on this. But I will not dramatically change my lifestyle by being scared.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Good. Atleast we agree on that. You would be amazed at how many people deny that.

The truth is, anything we predict is probably going to be wrong. We cant predict the future. I cant predict a cooling in 2020. Others cant predict an underwater Holland in 2050. But we do.

Correlation doesnt always show causation. Dont get me wrong, i dont think we shouldnt do nothing. At the least i would like cleaner air. I live in Atlanta. When im driving on I-20 into the city, i see that purple-greenish haze above the city. I would like nothing more than to see that go away.

Really, i just HATE it when people assume too much and tell me i am the future murderer of billions because of i drive an SUV, and because i am an American. The global warming cult is causing way too much smugness and self-ritcheousness (bad spelling, maybe).

Cleaner air, and stop cutting down trees (even though 3/4 of earth's Oxygen is created from sea algae). I will not argue on this. But I will not dramatically change my lifestyle by being scared.

Even if 3/4 of our oxygen come from sea algey, we still need trees! Also, we pollute the water as much as we do the air! In general we need to start helping our enviroment and stop polluting it!

yea, i know. I like everything about trees. Im pro-tree.

If we really are screwing the O-Zone, we might run out of oil before the damage can be done. If we keep using like we are, i heard by about 2060. But there is no real way of telling.

Reading this thread makes me realize why the world is so fucked up at the moment. Let's continue to argue about superficialities and details and ignore the actual problem.

Good job idiots.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

even though 3/4 of earth's Oxygen is created from sea algae.

Holy shit, really? Wow, that's cool. *googles*

I did not see this turning into a global warming debate. I am tired of of debating this after so many times.
People are going to believe what they believe. Any old or new data that develpoes the nonbelievers will discredit the information in some way. The advocates will exploit it.
One comment I would like to add is (probably not the best word for it, 'snowball") However When many different components come together, like the several different aspects of global warming, I think that a snowball effect might occur and the climate may change more rapidly than any of us are expecting... what ever that change may be.

We shall see. <?>

Originally Posted by Howie

I did not see this turning into a global warming debate. I am tired of of debating this after so many times.
People are going to believe what they believe. Any old or new data that develpoes the nonbelievers will discredit the information in some way. The advocates will exploit it.
One comment I would like to add is (probably not the best word for it, 'snowball") However When many different components come together, like the several different aspects of global warming, I think that a snowball effect might occur and the climate may change more rapidly than any of us are expecting... what ever that change may be.

We shall see. <?>

My bad if i started another one, but this is my first. Sorry!

But you're right. No matter how much arguing and how many points made, only another 100 years will tell the truth.

Honestly, i think it is just another form of political drama. It is just something for them to fight about.

To the OP:

Some areas of Antarctica are covered with an ice sheet 3 miles thick. That is a lot of potential water. Greenland as well holds an ice sheet similar. And Artic ice is floating on the ocean, though I don't know if this would cause and increase in water level.

Originally Posted by blade5x

To the OP:

Some areas of Antarctica are covered with an ice sheet 3 miles thick. That is a lot of potential water. Greenland as well holds an ice sheet similar. And Artic ice is floating on the ocean, though I don't know if this would cause and increase in water level.

well, i assume those 3 miles extend underwater, right? All that water should be displaced, or is there some concept i dont understand? Even the ice above sea level should still contribute to the displacement.

By far the main factor in sea rise is temperature rise causing water to become less dense. The effects of ice melt are minimal.

Originally Posted by Xei

By far the main factor in sea rise is temperature rise causing water to become less dense. The effects of ice melt are minimal.

good. atleast that makes scientific sense.

Those critical of Global Warming make my heart break. I want to cry when I look at all the ignorance floating around. We're completely fucked if people keep thinking like this.

Originally Posted by DoomedOne

Those critical of Global Warming make my heart break. I want to cry when I look at all the ignorance floating around. We're completely fucked if people keep thinking like this.

careful. You might be just as ignorant as i am. You're no scientist

Checking out numerous web sites, as there are many, I found this one a little interesting.'
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...l_warming.html

I call it, educated guesstimating.

It's over, folks - the Silver Surfer has arrived...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19353905/

Yeah, the globe's fraction-of-a-degree warming has caused a 100 metre deep lake to dissappear. ._o

I'm probably missing the Silver Surfer joke, but eh... just in case there isn't one, the article makes no mention of warming, but thankfully opts for relatively saner explanations, such as tectonic activity opening cavities and such.

Those critical of Global Warming make my heart break. I want to cry when I look at all the ignorance floating around. We're completely fucked if people keep thinking like this.

To show disdain for doubting and testing a theory is to show a complete lack of understanding for scientific method. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it goes.

Note that I've got no agenda for denying it. I already limit my carbon dioxide emissions for far more important reasons (the fact that oil's running out being the main one), so whether or not CO2 emissions do indeed cause warming are pretty much irrelevant to my lifestyle.