Thread: Al-Qaeda doesn't actually exist, it's just fear-mongering on the part of the American goverment

Yea, Yea, Yea. You were still searching for stupid excuses and you know it. Why must you continue to suck on the mass media teet as if it's milk is so pure and true?

Look around and taste all the different kinds of milk before you start formulating opinions...You might find the milk you came to know and love has actually been spoiled for some time now... :p

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Yea, Yea, Yea. You were still searching for stupid excuses and you know it. Why must you continue to suck on the mass media teet as if it's milk is so pure and true?

Look around and taste all the different kinds of milk before you start formulating opinions...You might find the milk you came to know and love has actually been spoiled for some time now... :p

Your empty condescenscion is worth zero. Let's see you actually do something. So AGAIN, counter the points I keep making. You remind me of somebody who shows up on a basketball court and tells everybody they suck without ever actually playing.

Let's start with these...

1. How are your sources more credible than the big corporate cut-throat media who actually stand everything to lose, due to the nature of large scale competition, for lying?

2. Where is the petition signed by more than a billion Arabs who say the government is wrong about the meaning of the term "Al Qaeda"?

3. How do tens of thousands of people work together in the world's biggest conspiracy and never have a leak big enough to stop them from fooling the world and getting national governments to cooperate because they are fooled by the illusion?

And from other discussions...

4. Where is the petition of Pentagon workers who claim no airplane crashed into the building when they were at work? Do you have any videos or sworn statements or anything of the kind?

5. Who flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center? Who was willing to die for somebody else's hoax?

6. What players in the conspiracy of the thousands it would have taken have come forward to admit 9/11 was a hoax?

I'll play devil's advocate here and act as if my unanswered laundry list of points doesn't exist and you have all the answers...

1. I never said they are more credible but if you watch it, there are some interesting points brought up. As for what they have to lose, when the politicians are the ones feeding them the lies as truth from the get-go it's not that hard to just report it as fact. When you watch surface-level mass media, that's what you understand and what you get. Those that scratch beneath the surface of those lies to see them for what they are, are then ridiculed for their discovery by dumb sheeple, like yourself, that have to admit they were wrong for buying into the whole facade in the first place.

2. Why would I need a petition of what the term means, and how on earth does that make a valid point? I simply stated that the term was created of the American government to refer to the jolly band of men fighting the russians in Afganistan, and evolved into this vast imaginary terror network with access to and possession of WMD's, 'dirty bombs', and 'sleeper cells' already existing in the U.S. from there. How about this? How about you try actually showing me some proof of this organization's legitimacy to ANY of their supposed claims and I'll give you a cookie? Waaait a minute...you can't.

3. 10's of thousands? Not sure where you got that number, but I'm sure not that many know of much. The grunts on the front lines are just dumb cannon fodder that just need to know where to point their guns for good ol' Uncle Sam in order to feel their communal 80 IQ points are going to good use. Obviously, goverment is a hierarchy. They have 'need to know' levels in government where the lies are a part of what you need or don't need to know. If you question, why, it's the same as questioning your country's motives as 'righteous' and determines your level of involvement on the, 'need to know'. I firmly believe you have to be cut of a certain breed to be at the high ends of goverment. You don't think massive cover stories are ever used in goverment even within different members of the same organization? Psshh...talk about naive. Oh, and don't forget...*whispers*... we were never in Cambodia.

Do you honestly trust all the things purported by politicians? 'I'm here for the greater good', and all that crap. Please don't tell me you are that naive.

4. 5. and 6. can be dealt with in their perspective thread... Although, I never claimed to know what happened at the trade centers, just what I personally saw being 5 minutes away from the Pentagon. Too bad you can't keep an open mind enough to even entertain the thought

Originally Posted by SolSkye

I'll play devil's advocate here and act as if my unanswered laundry list of points doesn't exist and you have all the answers...

No, you never answered the questions before now. Stop lying. And what does supposedly answering them again have to do with playing devil's advocate? Playing devil's advocate is taking a position you don't agree with to illustrate the other side of an argument. Considering your apparent level of intellectual dishonesty, I guess that is what you have been doing this whole time. Freudian slip?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

1. I never said they are more credible but if you watch it, there are some interesting points brought up. As for what they have to lose, when the politicians are the ones feeding them the lies as truth from the get-go it's not that hard to just report it as fact. When you watch surface-level mass media, that's what you understand and what you get. Those that scratch beneath the surface of those lies to see them for what they are, are then ridiculed for their discovery by dumb sheeple, like yourself, that have to admit they were wrong for buying into the whole facade in the first place.

I'm not talking about that one video. I am talking about your sources in general. And the corporate media gets its information from many things other than the mere words of politicians. They also expose the lies of politicians. You are way off. But maybe your insults make up for that, at least in the world of your own mind. You have my support.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

2. Why would I need a petition of what the term means, and how on earth does that make a valid point? I simply stated that the term was created of the American government to refer to the jolly band of men fighting the russians in Afganistan, and evolved into this vast imaginary terror network with access to and possession of WMD's, 'dirty bombs', and 'sleeper cells' already existing in the U.S. from there. How about this? How about you try actually showing me some proof of this organization's legitimacy to ANY of their supposed claims and I'll give you a cookie? Waaait a minute...you can't.

I asked for a petition because surely there would be one if the American government is flat out lying about what a term in a language means. If our government said the term "le stylo", which means "the pen" in French, really means "space bomb", don't you think French speaking people would be all over it? Of course you do.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...truggles_x.htm

Originally Posted by SolSkye

3. 10's of thousands? Not sure where you got that number, but I'm sure not that many know of much. The grunts on the front lines are just dumb cannon fodder that just need to know where to point their guns for good ol' Uncle Sam in order to feel their communal 80 IQ points are going to good use. Obviously, goverment is a hierarchy. They have 'need to know' levels in government where the lies are a part of what you need or don't need to know. If you question, why, it's the same as questioning your country's motives as 'righteous' and determines your level of involvement on the, 'need to know'. I firmly believe you have to be cut of a certain breed to be at the high ends of goverment. You don't think massive cover stories are ever used in goverment even within different members of the same organization? Psshh...talk about naive. Oh, and don't forget...*whispers*... we were never in Cambodia.

I am talking about, for one thing, members of the CIA, DHS, and FBI who have gathered (Oh yeah... supposedly gathered) intelligence on the workings of Al Qaeda. Then you can talk about military personnel and interrogators at Guantanamo Bay. Also, airport workers and local cops could be discussed. And the officials who analyze the Bin Laden and the gang tapes. And who takes care of the actors who play Al Qaeda members? The list continues. But not a single leak? Damn, they are bad ass!

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Do you honestly trust all the things purported by politicians? 'I'm here for the greater good', and all that crap. Please don't tell me you are that naive.

How many times do I have to tell you that I don't ever trust anything solely because a politicians says it? Your delusions about me seem unshakable. Hopefully it's only that you need to read more carefully.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

4. 5. and 6. can be dealt with in their perspective thread... Although, I never claimed to know what happened at the trade centers, just what I personally saw being 5 minutes away from the Pentagon. Too bad you can't keep an open mind enough to even entertain the thought

I entertained it and defeated it. As for the "in their perspective thread...", let's see it, finally.

By the way, the link I posted earlier about the 2001 meeting has links to memos from 2000 regarding American actions concerning Al Qaeda. Did you catch that? I am talking about official documents, not babblers with mohawks.

I clearly said MY laundry list of points which is talking about valid points posed at you which still have yet to be refuted...read it again. It is you who are mistaken. I'm playing devil's advocate with the idea that you think you are right and it is I who must exonerate myself beyond a reasonable doubt in your eyes...Freudian slip my arse.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

I clearly said MY laundry list of points which is talking about valid points posed at you which have yet to be refuted...read it again. It is you who are mistaken. Freudian slip my arse

Chickening out? Well, I understand.

What in the hell are you talking about? Isn't it like 5AM or something where you are... I think you need some sleep. It seems you're misreading stuff left and right.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

What in the hell are you talking about? Isn't it like 5AM or something where you are... I think you need some sleep. It seems you're misreading stuff left and right.

I'm hanging out with Jim Morrison and Amadeus Mozart. We're helping Bush (Elvis) come up with stories about the fictitious Al Qaeda. We're thinking about changing their name to "The Donald Duck Club".

In other words, attempting to hang on some meaningless wording like a turd hanging from your ass that just won't let go, and searching for lame excuses to argue and look justified when in actuality you still haven't proven a damn thing?

Sounds good to me.

your all so fuckin stubborn, anybody want to give me proof that al-Qaeda exists, or proof that it doesnt.
Stop being so easily lead, those of you who bleieve everything the government tells you are gullable, but your just as bad if you go on the internet and read some ridiculous article based on the fact that Bush blew up the twin towers with his pinky and take it seriously.
Think for your fuckin selfs.

Why stop there? How about some proof that you or anything outside of you even exist? Save that existential noise for the philosophy thread, son.

Imagine these pointless and fruitless debates as dog fights where you sick one thought on another and see which one wins knowing all the while that the thoughts are equally meaningless in value, and all eventually tire out and lose to something.

Was that pompous pretentious comment good for you, too? I win. woof woof.

This is entirely different
Nobody here has any first hand expereince wit Al-Qaeda or has ever seen any legitimate proof of there existence.
If you dont think they exist youve got your information of some crappy site, if you tihnk they exist youve got it straight off the government, and niethe set of people is providing hard proof. How do you suddenly decide that one is lying and the other is telling the truth?

If you actually absorbed all these things I was posting you would've seen areas in your previous opinion's logic that are clearly flawed...

Reposted for effect...

ABC News: Secret FBI Report Questions Al Qaeda Capabilities
No 'True' Al Qaeda Sleeper Agents Have Been Found in U.S.

A secret FBI report issued this month and later leaked to the press states, “Al-Qaeda leadership’s intention to attack the United States is not in question. However, their capability to do so is unclear, particularly in regard to ‘spectacular’ operations. We believe al-Qaeda’s capability to launch attacks within the United States is dependent on its ability to infiltrate and maintain operatives in the United States. To date, we have not identified any true ‘sleeper’ agents in the US.… Limited reporting since March indicates al-Qaeda has sought to recruit and train individuals to conduct attacks in the United States, but is inconclusive as to whether they have succeeded in placing operatives in this country. US Government efforts to date also have not revealed evidence of concealed cells or networks acting in the homeland as sleepers” ABC News notes that this seemingly contradicts the sleeper cell depiction seven men arrested in Lackawanna, New York, in 2002. It also differs from warnings by FBI Director Robert Mueller and other US officials, who have warned that sleeper cells are probably in place. [ABC News, 3/9/2005] In 2002, it was also reported that no sleeper cells can be found in the US (see March 10, 2002).

How do you know whether my posts are flawed if you are admittedly too scared to read them? You were checkmated a while back. From this point on, I am just going to look at you as a barking chihuahua until you come at me with some actual counterarguments to my counterarguments. You lost. I can't give you an "E" for effort because you didn't show much of one, but I will give you a token point for making me laugh with your hollow condescension which got you nowhere in the debate. Good game.

Thought for the day: The United States never invaded Iraq.

You can arbitrarily decide who won in your eyes that makes absolutely no difference to me. As far as 'winners' go, without you having offered up any evidence to declare your opinion anything more than one, it's as they say,

"The proof is in the paper", or lack there of, in your case...good game then...I'll be waiting for that evidence.