Thread: What's the dealio with GOP candidate Ron Paul?

Here ya go...

These type of things (not to mention countless others on the previous pages) seem to crush your mere 3 links one of which was from fox...hmmm....anything substantive to add? I still don't see it...He is an underdog becoming the big dog...can't you see that?

No one can deny the truth he speaks...it's rings so true that it's causes an underdog like him to raise more money, and get more attention from the average person than ANY of the other candidates out there who are simply backed by corporate greed, biased mass-media, and dirty money...

So much so, the mass-media is starting to have no choice but to listen to the people and do pieces on him...

This awakening that is happening isn't something to just be written off, which you continually like to do... and why people are continually frustrated even attempting to reason with you... You lack tolerance to an unbelievable degree...

I think everyone in this thread has not only told you but shown you, that you are flat-out wrong. Everyone except your brainwashed butt-buddy who went off to impose his 'absolute' truth on people in Iraq...Why don't you just go do the same, instead of sitting in your wading pool of stagnation...spreading intolerance and deceit? At least then, more people can stay on topic and find out and spread more actual information about him, as opposed to having to hear your dis-information.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Here ya go...

These type of things (not to mention countless others on the previous pages) seem to crush your mere 3 links one of which was from fox...hmmm....anything substantive to add? I still don't see it...He is an underdog becoming the big dog...can't you see that?

No one can deny the truth he speaks...it's rings so true that it's causes an underdog like him to raise more money, and get more attention from the average person than ANY of the other candidates out there who are simply backed by corporate greed, biased mass-media, and dirty money...

That awakening that is happening isn't something to just be written off, which you continually like to do...

:bravo: I thank you so much for this free entertainment. Fox was just one of the many conductors of the polls I posted. Ask your mother to read them to you past the top of the third one. But I will agree with you so you can have more fun playing Star Wars in the yard. Yes!!! Ron Paul is doing an AWESOME job! :yumdumdoodledum: He IS going to be the next U.S. president!!!

From FOX news of all places!!!

Can you all start to hear the corporate greedy individuals grinding their teeth as they break under the public pressure, and feel themselves losing their grip over the less-fortunate peoples' lives? It's great...

I can feel it all the way from Japan...

FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!

WOOOOOOOOT 10 pages and nothing accomplished besides all of you thinking you are pwning the other!!!! YAYYYYYYYYY!@#@#(%U$

This post was just as contributional as all the others. Admit it.

I've just been wanting to find out more about him from Japan, without people chiming in with dis-information...and misrepresentations of what's actually going on...

When "he-who-shall-not-be-named" wouldn't stop, and I continually saw people that posted very informative links and research on him start to leave the conversation because of this individual...then...Yes...I made it personal...

Why would someone purposefully try and make a topic die, which obviously seems like his intent?

The topic doesn't say, "Bash Ron Paul, and lie about him..."

If he wants to continue doing that he needs to make a topic about that...if not...I'll continue to beat him into the ground with my own research until he concedes...

UM, do them a favor and just talk about Ron Paul. See what happens from there.

Originally Posted by Michael

WOOOOOOOOT 10 pages and nothing accomplished besides all of you thinking you are pwning the other!!!! YAYYYYYYYYY!@#@#(%U$

This post was just as contributional as all the others. Admit it.

No, you have not praised Ron Paul's 1-5% in the polls or dedicated 75 entire posts to the subject of me. So you have accomplished nowhere near as much as those who follow me around this forum like lost puppies.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

From FOX news of all places!!!

Can you all start to hear the corporate greedy individuals grinding their teeth as they break under the public pressure, and feel themselves losing their grip over the less-fortunate peoples' lives? It's great...

I can feel it all the way from Japan...

FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!

Yes, the other Republicans are scared shitless of Ron Paul. I already told you that.

And stop being so tolerant.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

When "he-who-shall-not-be-named" wouldn't stop, and I continually saw people that posted very informative links and research on him start to leave the conversation because of this individual...and then...Yes...I made it personal...

Damn, I screwed up your request for information about how Ron Paul is doing by posting the statistics of dozens of major polls that actually answer to that issue with numbers. What was I thinking? What would you like now? Do you want me to tell you that Ron Paul is in the lead and Yoda is in second place?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

If he wants to continue doing that he needs to make a topic about that...if not...I'll continue to beat him into the ground with my own research until he concedes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGSMZxNPsM

Theres a link to the video of the post debate chat with ron paul. They talk about it a bit at the start and end of the interview, and if you watch the bottom of the screen it displays what everyone is at in the poll. Then again at the end it shows the final result. Ron Paul winning with 34%, giuliani came in third with only 11%.

Originally Posted by Alric

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGSMZxNPsM

Theres a link to the video of the post debate chat with ron paul. They talk about it a bit at the start and end of the interview, and if you watch the bottom of the screen it displays what everyone is at in the poll. Then again at the end it shows the final result. Ron Paul winning with 34%, giuliani came in third with only 11%.

Weird, it's true. The thing is that that type of poll is not scientific, so it is not representative. They teach about stuff like that in statistics classes. All of the scientific polls I posted show that he has 1-5% support. I think what probably happened is that lots of Democrats wanted to screw with Fox News and were far more determined to vote in that unscientific poll than the Guiliani and Romney supporters. They really wanted to throw Paul in the faces of the majority of the supporters of Giuliani and others. When you take away all of the confounding variables, whatever they may be, Paul is not above 5%.

If Ron Paul gets the nomination over Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson, I will jump off a building with full belief that I can fly because I will know that I am dreaming. Paul is not going to end up with 34% while Guiliani has 11%. There is no way it is going to happen. He does not have enough support.

The thing is most of the polls turn out like that. You can even see hannity in the interview joking about how he always wins. Now I wouldn't say he has 3 times the supporters like the poll suggest but he obviously has support.

Originally Posted by Alric

The thing is most of the polls turn out like that. You can even see hannity in the interview joking about how he always wins. Now I wouldn't say he has 3 times the supporters like the poll suggest but he obviously has support.

Do you think the many polls in my links are incorrect?

Obviously most of the polls wrong because he jumps around on the extremes. For every one you post showing him below 5% I can find one showing him beating everyone else.

I would say there is a few reasons why. He has a big base, so you will get different results depending on if you do a general poll of everyone or if you do a poll on just republicans. His supporters are really motivated so they vote in every poll they see. Which is a good sign as they are all likely to vote in the election, while a lot of other people just sit back and just dont take the time to vote. Of course its not going to be the average persons opinion if the average person is to lazy to vote in the poll while all the ron paul supporters do. Then again you don't need the majority of the people but the majority of the people actually voting.

Now I don't know if he is going to win but I am fairly sure he is going to make it into the top three. I personally think if he gets that far, hes going to go all the way however.

Originally Posted by Alric

For every one you post showing him below 5% I can find one showing him beating everyone else.

Really? Can you post those?

If Ron Paul becomes the president of the United States, I am going to become a Baptist preacher. You read it here.

Ahem!

Won CNN debate poll by 64%

Won ABCNews debate poll by 84%

Won a C-Span online GOP candidate poll by 69%

Won the MSNBC poll after first debates

Became "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo

Became the most mentioned person in blogs according to technorati.com

Has most youtube subscribers of all candidates.

And if anyone here says "What about Fox News" please look up the documentary "Outfoxed" on google videos.

Better freshen up on the Gospels, UM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If Ron Paul becomes the president of the United States, I am going to become a Baptist preacher. You read it here.

OK, I'm breaking my rule against voting for a Republicrat just to increase the odds of seeing that happen. I mean if he runs.

The primaries represent the ultimate political test of R. Paul's viability as a candidate, however. If the Republicans don't choose him to lead, those who are loyal to the party will not follow.

We shouldn't forget that the nomination is based upon who is most likely to win in the electoral college. In order to win the nomination, he must not only compete with the anointed candidates, but he must who that his campaign can win majorities in enough states to win.

Unfortunately, his grass-roots campaign is supported by a diverse group. In terms of political strategy, the Republicans think the liberal support he gets is a complete waste of campaign power, since they believe he has no chance of getting a majority in any of the Democratic strongholds. He may be a great national candidate, but his party's strategies(and thoughts) are based upon dividing the country almost in half. To seek wide support is viewed as a long-shot gamble, and the media reinforces this idea.

Even though I support Ron Paul, I think it's fair to say that his candidacy depends far more upon his popularity with Republicans than upon his popularity with the people at large, and this makes his chances for nomination slim, barring a major political catastrophe for the anointed front-runners.

They should bet the election on a national candidate. That's how I'll vote.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Ahem!

Won CNN debate poll by 64%

Won ABCNews debate poll by 84%

Won a C-Span online GOP candidate poll by 69%

Won the MSNBC poll after first debates

Became "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo

Became the most mentioned person in blogs according to technorati.com

Has most youtube subscribers of all candidates.

And if anyone here says "What about Fox News" please look up the documentary "Outfoxed" on google videos.

Better freshen up on the Gospels, UM

Better freshen up on what I said. I posted dozens of major polls. How many times do I need to clarify that? And those call in polls are not scientific. Do you think the many major polls in my links are false? If so, then say it. All you are proving is that liberals love to call in and affect call in polls and that the internet bloggers love Ron Paul, plus the fact that Paul is looke up a lot. I have looked him up more than any other candidate just because I wanted information on him so I could argue with his leftist supporters, and you know my opinion of him. Do you know what the difference between a scientific poll and an unscientific poll is?

This is really silly. Ron Paul is getting his ass absolutely whipped in the scientifc voting polls. He is not going to win the Republican nomination. He is not even going to come close. Sit back and watch what a psychic I am. Ronald Reagan has a better chance of winning the Republican nomination this time than Ron Paul has. He can't even get jack shit if he ends up running as an independent. But good luck to him.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

OK, I'm breaking my rule against voting for a Republicrat just to increase the odds of seeing that happen. I mean if he runs.

If Omnius Deus is right in his claim that Ron Paul is the big dog in this campaign at this point, you very well may see it happen. If he becomes the president, it's off to the seminary I go. I will even post my church's address so you can all come and see me preach the Gospel of Our Lord the King Jesus Christ Our Savior.

LMAO so basically the bloggers are conspiring to make him win. Okay, sure.

I'm not claiming the polls that dare include his name are innaccurate. I was just arguing tht he is popular despite that he has gone unnoticed by some.

But I don't see where you come up with "scientific voting polls" as a term. Your polls seem completely random to me like you picked out the ones that reflected him negatively.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

LMAO so basically the bloggers are conspiring to make him win. Okay, sure.

I'm not claiming the polls that dare include his name are innaccurate. I was just arguing tht he is popular despite that he has gone unnoticed by some.

But I don't see where you come up with "scientific voting polls" as a term. Your polls seem completely random to me like you picked out the ones that reflected him negatively.

No, I did not come up with the term. Take a statistics class and learn all about what a scientific poll is. A scientific poll is one that systematically maximizes the avoidance of all possible confounding variables. I provided links with very long lists of major polls that are scientific. They are not C-Span call in contest polls with numbers that result from a complete lack of regard for representative sampling principles and avoid other confoundings such as differences in will to call a show and affect numbers. Giuliani supporters don't freak out and go, "Like, oh my God! Let's get Rudy really high numbers on C-Span in the next five minutes!" They don't feel the need to prove themselves in that way. Paul supporters are obsessed with it. That is why the scientific polls show profoundly different results.

You mentioned that some polls do not include his name. That is because his numbers are so low he fits under the category "other". It's not like there is a 60% reading with the name "The Unmentioned Phantom Candidate" beside it.

But any way, Ron Paul is not going to be the next president. This is not something we are going to have to argue about forever. In a few days more than a year, we are going to see that he was not elected. We will see much sooner that he did not get the Republican nomination. He will not even make the top five. If he runs as an independent, he will not come close to winning. Just watch. The truth will very obvious. I feel silly even arguing about this. It is not even an issue.

lol do you think any republican besides Ron Paul could win in the general election?

Originally Posted by jaasum

lol do you think any republican besides Ron Paul could win in the general election?

I think Giuliani is the only person who would have a shot at it, and I am not even sure he would win. I am 99% convinced he is going to be the candidate. Hillary would easily beat any of the other candidates.

Why would she beat any of the other candidates? Their platforms are very similar, after all. Why isn't John McCain as good as Giuliani? Or Huckabee, for that matter?

Originally Posted by R.D.735

Why would she beat any of the other candidates? Their platforms are very similar, after all. Why isn't John McCain as good as Giuliani? Or Huckabee, for that matter?

Giuliani is more popular. He is seen as a better leader.

Haha, no not really. He was the mayor of new york during the terrorist attack, and people think he even did a poor job at that. He is a sniving pandering moron that is for big buisness, just look at his background it has "conflict of interest" written all over it. Not to mention all his campaign money is made off of pulling people's emotion's over 9/11.