Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

drugs arent the problem. The users are.


You can use any drug in moderation, but the heavy stuff that gets people hooked is the problem.

The users that get addicted put out a bad name for people who simply are tired of a stressful life and smoke a blunt or something to relieve themselves


people who use mind altering substances in moderation are the ones that should be seriously considered. Even strong psychedelics can be harmless if you know your stuff and you are mentally prepared.

The drug war that is portrayed in the media is what gives people their adamant believes on drugs.

thats my 2 cents, but nothing will change in the U.S. for a while. We should be worrying about education and awareness of global issues, rather than spend billions of dollars to keep people from slanging dimebags on the corner.

Originally Posted by shaftmonkey

drugs arent the problem.

but the heavy stuff that gets people hooked is the problem.

So which is it. Are they bad or are they not bad?

I believe that drugs are "the problem" but, I use that only in reference to "hard drugs". Marijuana is only a problem because of anti-marijuana laws. I've seen way too many lives and families torn to ruins because of things like meth, cocaine, heroin and the myriad of pills out there. The only real problems pot has ever caused is with the screwed up that try to govern it.

The problem with drugs is that they are popular with the younger audiences. I have no qualms with mature people who use them in moderation for recreational use (as long is it doesn't interfere with anybody elses's lives), but unfortunately there are also many unresponsable people (mostly teenagers and young adults) who do screw up their (and other people's) lives with drug use. These people think they are young and innocent and before they know it, they are in over their heads. It always starts with the "experimenting", then either they get hooked on the soft stuff or they progress to the harder stuff. Some manage to get out of it before it's too late, but most just keep spiralling downwards. The problem isn't limited to drugs either, the inherent "criminal" nature of drugs exposes these people to many seedier elements of the underworld. These people get involved in petty crimes (selling, robbery, vandalism) and eventually progress to hard crimes (DUI, assault and even murder). So if it were possible to keep these people from using drugs and ruining everyone's lives, then maybe I would be more open to their usage...

I'm a fan of hallucinogenic drugs. Nothing 'hard' like cocaine, meth, heroine. But yeah, I do think they can help one cross the threshold into a life of a deeper understanding of oneself, and a into a higher platue of consciousness.

It's unfortunate you can't weed out the unresponsibles and dependents otherwise recreational drug use would be just that, recreational. Not an excuse to escape problems or be 'accepted' and prove your hardcore. Drugs are not meant to boost your popularity. However...

Originally Posted by Spartiate

It always starts with the "experimenting", then either they get hooked on the soft stuff

There's no actual physical addiction when it comes to the 'soft stuff'. The most extreme it can get is psychological, and even that can be easily broken. You don't usually see people stealing or killing for marijuana. It's heroin and coke you have to watch out for when dealing with theft and assault.

There's a big difference between what road you take based on the first time you try something, namely marijuana. If you do it out of curiosity, you'll be fine. If you're doing it to prove yourself or escape problems, you're heading down a bad path. The positives and negatives are determined mostly by the users.

Of course if it's not apparent, I'm not against drugs... just the problematics who get their hands on them.

The "gateway drug" stuff is just anti-Marjuhana propagande. So many people smoke weed nowdays, and so very little of these people go on to become junkies. And every kid who turned in to a junkie defintely drank alcohol before he tried any other drug, so if you ask me alchohol, is the true gateway drug.

You know I actually agree with that.

So many of my friends who were once 'anti-drug' would end up smoking weed when they were tanked. It'd be the only times they'd ever touch weed.

I think my one friend even smoked meth when he was drunk, because afterwards he said he was picking the worms out of his skin. It's not his fault though, he's always been kinda stupid. :p

By "experimenting", I was referring to people who start with stuff like marijuana, and then after that they "experiment" with something a little stronger and so on and so on... I'm not saying that everyone who tries weed will be an addict, just that for a lot (and more than you people would seem to achknowledge), it is the beginning of a path that leads to worse things. And I'm not speaking from a a high and mighty anti-drug position, a huge proportion of my old high school were regular weed users, and it was very easy to tell the losers from the others. At that age, it's very hard for weed (or any other drug) not to have a negative impact on your life.