Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

My drugs of choice (when it comes down to recreational use) are marijuana, most any kind of opiate, amphetamine (not anymore), small doses of psychedelics and DXM (also quit, or at least for a while anyways)


I also use drugs for spiritual purposes. I wouldn't consider these drugs as fun as other more recreational drugs, but they are way more important to me and I respect them almost as if they were alive. My psychedelic drugs of choice are DMT, Salvia, LSD, Mushrooms, Marijuana, DXM, San Pedro, a couple different kinds of deliriums, Nitrous and MDMA. I think all of these drugs are perfectly safe, even DXM and MDMA, as long as you don't exceed using them more then once a month.

Last night I had a beautiful experience on the San Pedro cactus. It was just... incredible.

One drug I will never touch again, at least for a good 10 years, is diethyl ether. This drug is one addictive motherfucker, you huff the shit and its exactly like what Hunter S. Thompson described it "like drinking 9 bottles of wine in 5 minutes" (which is true, he was always very correct when he said ether makes you act like the villedge drunkard in some old Irish novel, when your on it you seem like one drunk ass motherfucker, like, out of control drunk... fun stuff), plus it has a really, really enjoyable psychedelic buzz akin to Nitrous.

But one thing is certain: Ether binges suck ass, its basically like going insane for 3 days (by the way, has anyone here ever tried the stuff?).

You see, that's the problem with drugs being discussed here: there's always going to people glorifing their usage and claiming how "I think all of these drugs are perfectly safe" when speaking of certain powerful drugs. That's simply not the case. It IS the case that most any drug CAN be used responsibly, but, to claim "perfectly safe" as an attribute of ANY drug is very misleading and - frankly - is a disservice to the uninformed reader.

Claims like those only give the green light go-ahead to readers who may have been skeptical and weary of certain drugs. It is not wise to encourage drug usage. Informing is one thing but endorsement is something altogether different.

Wer, there's alot of Drugs you hold "psychedelic" that are really not. Distorting your perception is something completely different from altering perception and consciousness.
Little advice: Stay away from opiates; it sucks hard enough I have to take them on doctor prescriptiont calm my chaotic mind; they're all quite addictive. Huffing ether-like substances isn't psychedelic: it's the effects of braindamage. Stick with natural hallucinogens just to always be on the safeside, leaving Nightshade plants out of the picture. Delirium isn't Psychedelic either.

Originally Posted by wer

Last night I had a beautiful experience on the San Pedro cactus. It was just... incredible.

I have one of those growing in my atelier-room. Please share your experience in my Topic "Trip Reports: Psychedelic Experiences shared" in this same forum. Be sure to note the dosage used and preparation of the cactus I'm interrested in what I'm about to do.

Wer, you have reason to be concerned. Opiates are about as dangerous as it gets. Did you read what I wrote about what opiates did to some people I hung out with in my teens? Just yesterday, two guys I used to consider my best friends were in town. One of them avoids me because he is admittedly too ashamed of his problem to want to see me. The other one got in touch with me. I had not talked to him since October because his entire life is opiates. He lives in Memphis and does absolutely nothing but shoot up and do what he can to get money to shoot up. He tried to talk me into giving him money. I told him I couldn't do that but that I would still like to see him and the other guy. He said he was going to see what he could do about getting money from somebody else and then he would definitely call me back because he really wanted to hang out again. He never called me back.

He has been to rehab ten times. One of those times was for eight months, and another one was for a year. The other guy has been to rehab about twenty times, and one of his stays lasted thirteen months. Both of them have been in trouble with the law for theft, and they have both spent time in the county jail and faced time in the state prison. They have broken in and robbed their father's house several times. I know that they would have never done any of that if they were not drug addicts. They let opiates hijack their lives. Now their lives are ruined. I don't plan on either one of them ever seeing their 45th birthdays, and they will be miserable until they die, unless they by some miracle adamantly decide to make a miracle happen. (Only a tiny percentage of junkies do that.) I could tell you a lot of similar stories.

Also, six of my friends from my teens and twenties have died of drug overdoses. I am using the word "friend" loosely with four of them because they were people I hung out with often but wouldn't have if we didn't have mutual friends. But two of them were extremely close friends. Four of those overdoses were from opiates. This is a road you don't want to go down.

... I appreciate everyones concern but there really is no reason to be. I used to be really bad, yeah, but at the beginning of the summer I vowed to never use drugs on the weekdays again once summer comes to an end. Well, it ends on Tuesday and I'm so prepared to quit its like, programmed into my brain.

When I said I think most drugs are safe I meant only if you know how to use them responsibly. Opiates are fun for occasional recreation but I've never had any problems with them (a year ago I did quite a bit of oxycodone everyday for a week, and quit without much problem at all). The drugs that I had problems with are mainly Marijuana, DXM and Ether.

I know you guys probably don't take me seriously when I say I'm quitting, but trust me, I'm damn serious. Its been three years since I started using and I'm ready to quit (mainly because I'm ready to dedicate myself to spiritual development, but also because of school).

I didn't mean to give anyone the wrong impressions on drugs. Many are very dangerous if you can't control your use. It has token three years of addiction for me to finally learn how to use with moderation and responsibility. I never go into anything with doing a lot of research on its dangers and effects first (been like that from the beginning), I'm very cautious when it comes to trying new things.

But really, nobody should worry about me, I'm quitting after tomorrow. And once again, I'm not saying that *most* if these drugs are completely safe if used incorrectly. I'm just saying if you use drugs responsibly, then they usually won't cause any serious problems (some can of course, and some people can have really bad reactions to certain drugs and before trying something new it should be researched quite a bit). Also, certain drugs can be cut with other kinds of chemicals, and this can potentially cause problems as well.

Psychedelics (tryptamines) are not completely safe because there is the possibility of having a bad trip or fucking up because you took to much. If anyone uses psychedelics they should start with the minimal dose and slowly work their way up to the dose that suits them. DXM, MDMA, and dileriants should never be used once a months due to brain damage, although I believe that these drugs are alright in moderation.

Ether, by the way, doesn't work like most other inhalants, its more like nitrous and chloroform, its actually has a unique effects on the brain. That doesn't mean its not a horrible drug, but I just want to make that clear so you don't think I'm some glue huffing idiot.

Opiates have just never been a problem for me, I guess because before I even tried them I got hooked on DXM, which makes even heavy doses of opiates seem like candy. I don't get withdrawal with many drugs unless I'm really using them A LOT, I mean, I don't even get withdrawal from quitting cigarets. I suppose it just runs in my family (I do have problems with weed withdrawal, but thats about it).

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Originally Posted by wer

Ether, by the way, doesn't work like most other inhalants, its more like nitrous and chloroform, its actually has a unique effects on the brain. That doesn't mean its not a horrible drug, but I just want to make that clear so you don't think I'm some glue huffing idiot.

Who do you think you're kidding? It's no better, no safer, no more excusable, no wiser: At all.

Originally Posted by SKA

I have one of those growing in my atelier-room. Please share your experience in my Topic "Trip Reports: Psychedelic Experiences shared" in this same forum. Be sure to note the dosage used and preparation of the cactus I'm interrested in what I'm about to do.

We have a bunch of these cacti growing at my house....This is the first psychedelic I tried, with my father and mother, for my eighteenth birthday. It was the best birthday present my parents could have given me, especially for my first psychedelic experience. It was also the first experience for my brother, and the second for my sister. So, it really got me disinterested in all other drugs besides psychedelics, because they are much more intriguing.

Originally Posted by Gwendolyn

We have a bunch of these cacti growing at my house....This is the first psychedelic I tried, with my father and mother, for my eighteenth birthday. It was the best birthday present my parents could have given me, especially for my first psychedelic experience. It was also the first experience for my brother, and the second for my sister. So, it really got me disinterested in all other drugs besides psychedelics, because they are much more intriguing.

You speak wisdom many people don't have Gwendolyn

Wer, if you want to take a turn for the worse sooner or later: Keep doing opiates and ether. If you want to grow as a person and see "how deep the rabbithole goes" I suggest you stop with the previously mentioned drugs, preferably today, and start following a shamanic path: Mushrooms, Peyote&San Pedro Cacti, Yopo seeds, Salvia & Marijuana.

By the way I must note that, if you have such serious withdrawal problems from even such a goodhearted entheogen such as Marijuana, you have a soft spot for mental addiction.
There have been 3 seasons, summer, autumn and winter I have been smoking Marijuana almost dayly and eventually Marijuana's effects totally lost it's value. I'd feel tempted to buy a bag of weed after just finishing my last and I would give in to it. I also did quite alot of E and found myself emotionally instable and weak for giving in to every temptation.

Eventually I made the mindfull decision to stop risking my body and mind and boy that was a good choice. It was when I was 19 and I started doing drugs only occasionally and never put myself at any risk again. Also getting high from Marijuana actually MEANS something when you smoke at MAX only in the weekends and not a bit more. Same for any other drug by the way.
Right now I haven't smoked weed for more than a week and have no problems whatsoever. I will feel urged to buy Marijuana after just smoking my last spliff, but if I don't give in to it like an impulsive creature it will just completely disappear after a couple of days and it will never bug me at all.
I can see how Marijuana can be a problem if it's your only passtime. Or any drug really. Find some hobbies and passions to occupy yourself with. Drugs should never be the centre of your amusement or pleasure; only something you do as part of many things that encompass your way of enjoying life and it's mysteries.

You see out of all people around here I really understand why people would do drugs: Just be on the safe side is what I'm saying. No experience in life is worth putting yourself in risk of overdose, dependance or physical damage for. I know this "us telling you" must make you feel harmed in your honour, but it would be a wise thing to put your honour aside for this one and take, what we say, into serious consideration.
Take it from someone who is quite intrueged with Consciousness altering substances.

Check out this movie where Terrence McKenna talks about what I'm trying to say here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvidyCUvzbY

It gets most interresting after 2 minutes into the movie. I love this guy and his endless wisdom


PS @ Mods:
See why it is good to discuss drugs instead of anxiously avoiding the whole subject? People will use drugs anyhow and the wrong ones too if they are not properly informed due to cencoring these sensative subjects. It's always better to be open and talk about this. Maybe the young folks you and I are so worried about might be much better served reading these cases of alarming drug use instead of not being informed at all. Or being informed by dealers who wanna make money out of them. We owe that to Sandform; Good topic Sandform! Correct information for the masses.

I wonder, does anyone know how bad smoking Marijuana really is? I am totally against smoking, and luckily, it is mostly the nicotine that makes cigarettes cancer-bringing-stick-o-death. (and the nicotine also causes more chance at heart attacks, and stuff like that.) But still, how much tar does smoking pure marijuana really put in your lungs?

I heard the "marijuana has 3/4 times more tar in it than tobacco" is not claimed on good research, but on a single bad test as part of the anti-propaganda around marijuana.

Also, I heard bongs actually filter out just as much THC as Tar, thus not really helping (besides giving a way more comfortable smoke).

Anyone any Good sources for this information?

Originally Posted by Neruo

I wonder, does anyone know how bad smoking Marijuana really is? I am totally against smoking, and luckily, it is mostly the nicotine that makes cigarettes cancer-bringing-stick-o-death. (and the nicotine also causes more chance at heart attacks, and stuff like that.) But still, how much tar does smoking pure marijuana really put in your lungs?

I heard the "marijuana has 3/4 times more tar in it than tobacco" is not claimed on good research, but on a single bad test as part of the anti-propaganda around marijuana.

Also, I heard bongs actually filter out just as much THC as Tar, thus not really helping (besides giving a way more comfortable smoke).

Anyone any Good sources for this information?

I didn't think there was any in smoking pure Marijuana....

Off course smoking causes tar residue to build up in your lungs. No reason to nassume Marijuana smoke is any worse for you than Tobacco-smoke. In fact the only difference is that of THC and Nicotine of which the latter is very toxic and addictive. I'm no health-saint either, but smoking tobacco is much more harmfull than smoking Marijuana for the obvious reasons.

It is fairly logical that a bong filters out alot of THC: THC is water soluble.
Perhaps the best way to do cannabis is to eat Spacecake, drink Marijuana Tea or inhale Vaporised THC. Vapors don't contain any tar and don't leave any residues on your lungs as all of it is able to be taken up into the bloodstream via your lungs.

Has anyone ever tried quidding Marijuana or Hash? Or should I be the first to give it a try?

I'm no health-saint either, but smoking tobacco is much more harmfull than smoking Marijuana for the obvious reasons.

Isn't it also true that smoking marijuana hasn't been linked to lung cancer?

It is fairly logical that a bong filters out alot of THC: THC is water soluble.

I thought THC is fat soluble. Although I believe I read that bongs don't filter out the tar crap as much as it filters out the less bad part of the smoke and coincidentally some of the THC.

Perhaps the best way to do cannabis is to eat Spacecake, drink Marijuana Tea or inhale Vaporised THC. Vapors don't contain any tar and don't leave any residues on your lungs as all of it is able to be taken up into the bloodstream via your lungs.

It is! Although, I have never had any luck with tea. I think you have to cook it in something fatty like whole milk (make some hot coco with weed).

Has anyone ever tried quidding Marijuana or Hash? Or should I be the first to give it a try?

Try it and tell me if it works.

Well, yeah, I kind of knew that 1 gram of Marijuana isn't as bad as 1 gram of tobacco. Still, even if it was 1/10th as bad as smoking, that would be less-cool. Not devastating, but less-cool.

Also, like someone said, I also don't believe marijuana is even linked to lungcancer... you know what, I still have access to alot of medical-article-sites because of my last study, I'll look it up : )

And, Hmm, I am pretty certain THC is Fat soluble (like Lamnth said). I am pretty sure it isn't water soluble. It is alcohol-soluble however. But like, all the recepees I see on the internet for marijuana-tea, include some kind of butter of fatty stuff (chocolate) to be added.

But meh, don't really like the time spacecake lasts, just a bit to long if you ask me. : ) And the health-benefit isn't that great. Smog probably kills you more than weed.


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Medical article. Oh no! If you smoke 30 joints (probably with tobacco in them too) a day for a few years, you get cancer! I didn't expect that! : ) For the rest, good results if you ask me.

Marijuana use and the risk of lung and upper aerodigestive tract cancers: results of a population-based case-control study.
Hashibe M, Morgenstern H, Cui Y, Tashkin DP, Zhang ZF, Cozen W, Mack TM, Greenland S.

IARC, Lyon, France.

BACKGROUND: Despite several lines of evidence suggesting the biological plausibility of marijuana being carcinogenic, epidemiologic findings are inconsistent. We conducted a population-based case-control study of the association between marijuana use and the risk of lung and upper aerodigestive tract cancers in Los Angeles. METHODS: Our study included 1,212 incident cancer cases and 1,040 cancer-free controls matched to cases on age, gender, and neighborhood. Subjects were interviewed with a standardized questionnaire. The cumulative use of marijuana was expressed in joint-years, where 1 joint-year is equivalent to smoking one joint per day for 1 year. RESULTS: Although using marijuana for > or =30 joint-years was positively associated in the crude analyses with each cancer type (except pharyngeal cancer), no positive associations were observed when adjusting for several confounders including cigarette smoking. The adjusted odds ratio estimate (and 95% confidence limits) for > or =60 versus 0 joint-years was 1.1 (0.56, 2.1) for oral cancer, 0.84 (0.28, 2.5) for laryngeal cancer, and 0.62 (0.32, 1.2) for lung cancer; the adjusted odds ratio estimate for > or =30 versus 0 joint-years was 0.57 (0.20, 1.6) for pharyngeal cancer, and 0.53 (0.22, 1.3) for esophageal cancer. No association was consistently monotonic across exposure categories, and restriction to subjects who never smoked cigarettes yielded similar findings. CONCLUSIONS: Our results may have been affected by selection bias or error in measuring lifetime exposure and confounder histories; but they suggest that the association of these cancers with marijuana, even long-term or heavy use, is not strong and may be below practically detectable limits.

PMID: 17035389 PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

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Edit: OH LOLZ. I came across an article named:

Self-reported anal sex practice and sexual risk-taking after marijuana use among a sample of Georgia inmates.

LOL

Another comment on the tobacco/pot comparison:

Even if marijuana is as harmful - lung-wise - as tobacco, I just don't see it being nearly as severe a risk as cigarette smoking. People who suffer lung problems as result of cigarette smoking generally smoke packs a day. Many are chain smokers.

If some one smoked as much weed a day as cigarette smokers tend to smoke tobacco, they'd be smoking ounces a day. I don't know of any one who smokes ounces of pot a day. I've known of people to go through maybe a 1/4 in a day but, that's shared with other people and picking out and discarding the seeds and stems.

You'd have a hard time finding some one who smokes the equivalent of 2-3 cigarette packs a day in pot. Sure, the pot is generally smoked unfiltered but, I think the quantity difference more than makes up for it.

sorry oneironnaught i didnt really clarify what i said. I meant that drugs with less of an addictive potential can be a problem, however things like marijuana, psychoactive cacti, and mushrooms should be, in my opinion left alone.

In terms of those specifically, they're plants. It doesnt make sense to put such boundaries on plants that grow wild.

Of course hard drugs like heroin can be harvested from the poppy plant, but those should be controlled. Harvesting the plant to make heroin and opiate medications should be controlled (like it is now, except for heroin of course) but for gardeners who simply like the plant, it shouldnt be restricted.

Thats where the problem comes in. I think the government is worried that if they loosen the laws for less dangerous substances, they will have to make more reasons why they tighten laws on other substances. They dont want to have to deal with that pressure.

The government seems to be thinking "since weed has been illegal for a long time, why make it legal now" instead of looking at its beneficial potential.

Originally Posted by SKA

Wer, if you want to take a turn for the worse sooner or later: Keep doing opiates and ether. If you want to grow as a person and see "how deep the rabbithole goes" I suggest you stop with the previously mentioned drugs, preferably today, and start following a shamanic path: Mushrooms, Peyote&San Pedro Cacti, Yopo seeds, Salvia & Marijuana.

Yeah, I didn't say I still do ether. I quit that stuff a long time ago, long story, but I'm never touching that twisted shit again (but its still not anything like glue or paint, its does not work the same way - plus its much safer, not to say its safe, but its safer). I'm officially quitting my days of drug abuse tomorrow, so I won't be touching anything but psychedelics (opiates occasionally, but only occasionally) on the weekends.

Trust me I knew I had to quit so I spent all summer preparing for it, and know I'm ready. Main reason - well you said it yourself, I want to stop sitting on my ass doing drugs and advance as a person. I know what I'm doing, even though sometimes it may not seem that way. Tomorrow morning will be the first morning of my sobriety.

Originally Posted by wer

Trust me I knew I had to quit so I spent all summer preparing for it, and know I'm ready. Main reason - well you said it yourself, I want to stop sitting on my ass doing drugs and advance as a person. I know what I'm doing, even though sometimes it may not seem that way. Tomorrow morning will be the first morning of my sobriety.

I wish you luck. All you really have to have is the desire to quit. Everything else is just tying up the loose ends.

Speaking as somebody who CANNOT take OTC pain meds...I think opium should be legal or at least codeine and hydrocodone (with OUT fucking acetaminophen!) available OTC. It really sucks if you can't tolerate NSAIDs or tylenol and there isn't anything else. Unfortunately weed alone doesn't usually work on severe pain.

No, t3s are brutal. I was prescribed them by a doctor for pain relief when I broke my collar bone. They were cool the first couple days just because they completely jarred my brain from thinking or anything and turned me into this zombie. Then I built up a tolerance I realized I was taking them just because it was habit. So I stopped, waited a couple days, took 'em again and felt the same thing.

Then I stopped because I realized I was losing weight (t3s eat your muscle). By the end of my whole T3 taking ordeal I had lost about 15 pounds. It was brutal.

But maybe that was because one night in order to get rid of them all I crushed 11 of them up and filtered the acetaminophin from the codeine...

Either way, not a fan of opiates.

If you can't take anything else, opiates are better than severe pain. I haven't found opiates to be brutal at all, very gentle. I wonder if most of your problem was from the acetaminophen. Maybe it wasn't filtered out real well. 11 pills is ALOT of acetaminophen The cold water extraction HAS to be done right...I know because I can't take tylenol.

I did do it right, there was never a problem. If there was too much acetaminophin I would've suffered from liver failure and died.

The feeling of opiates are soothing, of course, but the damage they do to your body is astounding. Codeine eats away at your muscle. If it's for just pain relief than it's fine, but if you're misusing them (like when I did the extraction) then it just ends up doing more harm than good.

AGH!!!!!! DXM Is not as harmful as some of you think. It can be a magnificient tool for reprogramming your mind. Hell it saved my life. I'll try not to get to involved here lol...

Crystal Meth is bad M'kay. I just went to the gas station and one of the workers was on break and had massive dark circle eyes and was picking shit off his arm that I couldn't see... That one is the worst of them all. In my opinion most hard drugs are bad, though under very unusual circumstances have their place... Idk, this thread is to epic, i don't feel like reading all of it *wanders off*