Thread: Justice or barbaric attack?

I'm a little confused as to what is going on ...

Originally Posted by Keeper

I'm a little confused as to what is going on ...

People in a community in Dublin basically decided to strap a known drug dealer to a lamp-post, pour boiling tar over him, cover him in feathers, and set him on fire. The article I posted didn't explain it as well as the one in the Daily Mail did (sorry 'bout that but I couldn't find a better one).

It wasn't just speculation either, this man was sacked from his last job for dealing drugs and some children living in the area said that the man was trying to sell them drugs (cocaine and heroine).

Children can be expected to smoke a little bit of cannibis every now and then, but selling class A drugs to little kids? That's just wrong.

I'll try to post the article that was in the Mail later if I can.

thx

Personally, I think things should have gone through the proper channels, but with that said, I'd say He has been given a very apt punishment.

I am not sure, I think you shouldn't take the law into your own hands in my opinion. In my old estate there were a couple of well know drug dealers who would often be selling to people and the police knew who they were and did nothing about it, so sometimes it's a tough one to call.

I personally don't agree with bullying, or behavior such as this, I know what he has done is wrong, but let the police deal with it. Young kids etc don't need to see this sort of thing happening on the streets:

Originally Posted by BBC Website

It is thought the attack was carried out on Sunday evening by two men wearing balaclavas, as a crowd including women and children looked on.

Was he actually a drug dealer then? Because the report on the BBC is pretty poor and do not give any indication for motives to the attack, neither do they state what this 'victim' actually did. I assume a drug dealer from the pitures, but it could have been a prank on someone?

Originally Posted by badassbob

People in a community in Dublin basically decided to strap a known drug dealer to a lamp-post, pour boiling tar over him, cover him in feathers, and set him on fire. The article I posted didn't explain it as well as the one in the Daily Mail did (sorry 'bout that but I couldn't find a better one).

It wasn't just speculation either, this man was sacked from his last job for dealing drugs and some children living in the area said that the man was trying to sell them drugs (cocaine and heroine).

Children can be expected to smoke a little bit of cannibis every now and then, but selling class A drugs to little kids? That's just wrong.

I'll try to post the article that was in the Mail later if I can.

Okay saw this after I posted. It's wrong what happened, but still - the police should deal with it...

I think it was barbaric, and a horrible example for the children. Even if he was a drug dealing scumbag, it was the wrong solution. Let the cops take care of it. And if they don't, it's because they know that putting away this drug dealer only means he'll be replaced by another. Maybe they're busy going after the root cause.

Speaking of going after the root cause, if people spent more time educating their children about this kind of stuff, maybe drug dealers just plain wouldn't have that booming a business, and move out on their own.

Also, we must remember that drug dealing scumbags are PEOPLE first, and DRUG DEALERS second. What was done was both immoral and impractical, in the grander scheme of things. It was a poorly-executed, band-aid solution, with revenge (and not justice) in mind.

Indeed, and those who did this surely have just lowered themselves to his level?

Yeah, lets take justice into our own hands, lets not give people trails, lets just shoot people that I don't like. Or tar them, whatever. Also, it totally serves the goal of justice, making society better, right?

The people who did that to him are just as bad as - if not worse than - the drug dealer. I think people who are capable of such an act should be behind bars themselves.

The people who did that to him are just as bad as - if not worse than - the drug dealer. I think people who are capable of such an act should be behind bars themselves.

I disagree, haven't you seen Batman Begins.

Originally Posted by wendylove

I disagree, haven't you seen Batman Begins.

Oh yes... *didn't like it as much* ... I tend to live my life based on the other Batman movies though.

Heh. Idunno anything about how Ireland is as a society. I know that if someone would have done that to a drug dealer in America like in a big city, I wouldn't be inclined to do it myself as it does seem cruel and barbaric, but if I happened to see it being done, I wouldn't do shit about it. Idunno where some of you live, but in a lot of places where I have lived, drugs are what are destroying communities, and even entire sub-societies. What saddens me the most is that it's mostly minorities too. They are the reason that there is so much ignorance and stupid violence in minority [specifically black] communities. So yeah. Let 'em burn I say.

As I see it, the law doesn't do enough to stop criminals. A dealer who makes £1000 a week isn't going to be too worried about the slight risk of a few years in prison when he knows his/her sentence will probably be halved for "good behaviour" (selling crack to 12 year olds, yeah that's real good behaviour) anyway.

If a criminal was under the impression that he/she was going to be beaten and burned to death however, they might think twice about whatever crime they were going to do. I'm not saying that these people are necessarily "evil" or are bad people, I personally think that they need help rather than punishment. But until the government puts someing in place to help (not that they haven't tried), there will always be drug dealers, paedophiles, rapists and theives on the streets. Most British people would probably agree with me when I say that this country is falling apart, what with the rising crime rates, increase in "yob culture", the fact that Glasgow is the murder capital of Western Europe, and the recent discovery that London is now more dangerous than New York. I think something needs to be done to get this country back on its tracks. The law doesn't work, the abundance of criminals on our streets prooves that. The fact that I can't safely walk down my street at any time later than 5pm on a Friday night because I'll be jumped by a bunch of drunken kids makes me sick.

Something needs to be changed in the way this country is run. I'm not saying full scale "Outlaw" attacks on random criminals is going to be the greatest method of stopping crime, but if a few people took a more active role in what happens in their community maybe this country would be a better place to live. Ever since I saw the movie "Outlaw" I'm scared that I'll come home from the army in a few years time and find that I was actually safer in Afghanistan than at home.

Take down one drug dealer, and another one takes his place. The cycle continues. Let's get drunk. Does anybody have a cigarette?

Two more take his place, not just one, as he was quite well known, and they won't have as much business as him. Then they become well known, and one gets brought down and 2 more spring up in his place. It constantly gets bigger and bigger.

If you want a drug free country you must legalize

I'm all about taking the law into your own hands (fuck the police) but setting the guy on fire seems like overkill, he'd already be scarred from the tar.

badassbob, you are endorsing lynch mob executions. We don't like it, we don't trust the court to handle it, so lets organize a lynch mob and set you on fire! Or do you prefer to be hanged?

Well, taking the less-challenging higher ground on this one, I can't condone what was done to him. I don't believe I would have approved even if it was my community that was being affected.

That being said I certainly don't think the community who did it should be branded as being of the same ilk as the dealer.

If governments can't provide justice, people will be patient, but not forever.
Sooner or later the population is going to start saying enough is enough and taking the law into their own hands.

I believe this shows up the government's shortcomings far more than the vigilantes'.

It's sad... another two points on my negativity-meter...

Selling drugs is WRONG... But that doesn't make it right to burn someone... There is a very effective, non-fatal solution for this, and it begins with 'p', and ends in 'rison'... That would've been justice.

This is just barbaric, I find this truly sad.
Selling drugs is wrong, but doing that is even worse. So, people of Dublin or wherever it was: Congratulations! You've just lowered yourself to an even lower level than the guy you've just KILLED (I presume)...

I vote 'pro' on 'veeeeeeeeery long imprisonment' for the people who did that to him...

Or, as Neruo so aptly said:
"Yeah, lets take justice into our own hands, lets not give people trials, lets just shoot people that I don't like. Or tar them, whatever. Also, it totally serves the goal of justice, making society better, right?"

Oh... This just totally made my day... Now I'm depressed... Yay...
Now let's go burn someone...


Peace, peeps!

~CD

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

Selling drugs is WRONG... But that doesn't make it right to burn someone... There is a very effective, non-fatal solution for this, and it begins with 'p', and ends in 'rison'... That would've been justice.

Prison has never been effective, and definately wouldn't have been justice. A hardened drug dealing criminal growing up in a classic British working class environment like the area of Dublin he was from would have fit into prison nicely. Access to a gym, sitting around watching tv, playing football and basketball, and whatever other luxuries criminals in prison have access to these days.

The people who really suffer in prison are 16 year old kids and other particularly vulnerable people who don't belong in such an environment. Hardened criminals aren't the people who are scared of prison. It's not them who suffer, it's everyone else. The people who deserve punishment most are usually the people who actually get the least.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

This is just barbaric, I find this truly sad.
Selling drugs is wrong, but doing that is even worse. So, people of Dublin or wherever it was: Congratulations! You've just lowered yourself to an even lower level than the guy you've just KILLED (I presume)...

If you think that selling class A drugs to kids is no worse than ridding the world of whoever was selling the drugs in the first place then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I have to disagree. The people who did the attack hung the "drug dealing scum" sign around his neck and sent pictures to the local newspapers. With that in mind you can see that they didn't just want to take one drug dealer off the streets, they clearly wanted to use this attack as a deterant for other drug dealers in the area.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

I vote 'pro' on 'veeeeeeeeery long imprisonment' for the people who did that to him...

This definately isn't the answer. The British government is now having to consider early release for thousands of prisoners because of overcrowding in the prisons. Longer prison sentences aren't the answer.

Originally Posted by badassbob

If you think that selling class A drugs to kids is no worse than ridding the world of whoever was selling the drugs in the first place then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I have to disagree.

Hmm. I certainly think that selling drugs to children is not half as bad as murder. Especially when there are children watching.

Come on, this is the 21st century! We shouldn't be covering people with boiling tar and setting them on fire with feathers on them.

Besides, most street drug dealers are addicts themselves and are victims of the stuff that they're selling. I'm sure that that guy didn't deserve that.

Originally Posted by Lord Toaster

Besides, most street drug dealers are addicts themselves and are victims of the stuff that they're selling. I'm sure that that guy didn't deserve that.

Unless I'm much mistaken the same is true for paedophiles, wife beaters and many other criminals.
Most of them are victims themselves, but the buck has to stop somewhere.

It's harsh, but it's even harsher to allow more innocents to be victimized.

Personally I believe in certainty of punishment rather than severity.
But the government's providing neither, hence vigilanteism.

THAT IS FUCKED UP. I cant believe they did this, and they should all be killed. whats the point of doing this to a drug dealer, dealing drugs isn't violent? Anyways, I'm sure 3 more dealers took his place, thats how it works.

whats the point of doing this to a drug dealer, dealing drugs isn't violent? Anyways

The act of dealing drugs isn't violent. The process of drug deals attract violence WAY more often than not. I hope you don't deny that...because the only reason you would deny it is because you haven't seen it. But it's alll around. Many people have seen it and continue to see it and be negatively effected by it. I have no problem with drugs. I have problems with the idiots they attract into neighborhoods. That's how you get gangs. And gangs is how you get stupid unnecessary violence over "territory" which I've always seen as retarded. That might not be the case in Europe (I wouldn't know) but it is certainly the case in America. Let the asshole burn.

I'm sure 3 more dealers took his place, thats how it works.

Sadly, you're probably right.