Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
Oh, God. *sighs*

Once again. I've never asked for "proof" that it is not happening, so I don't even know why you keep using that (for lack of a better word) misdirection. Yes, I am trying to point out to you that there is evidence. More evidence than you have that it is not happening. Since the beginning of this thread, I think I've done a pretty good job of arguing that that there is evidence toward the possibility that it is happening, and yet yours has pretty much been the voice of stark disbelief. You have argued everything from "We do not torture," to "we do not have a torture policy" to anything of the like. And you say that you don't have any sort of burden of proof? Why not? Because you are the one that believes we don't, and it's up to me to prove you wrong? That removes any sort of intellectual responsibility, to prove the claim, from you? On what grounds? The grounds that you believe the official statement that we don't torture? Or that we don't render suspected terrorists to other places to be tortured?

I am simply advocating the possibility, and evidence to support that possibility. You have, so far, been advocating the dissent. On what grounds is the burden of "proof" on me?
Oh, excuse my use of the word "proof" instead of "evidence". I cannot provide evidence that terrorists are not being sent to covert interrogation locations to be tortured. But that is very trivial in light of the fact that the burden of evidence is on you. So I will ask you again. What else do you have? All I have seen is some biased journalism that claims that some European media outlets made claims and that there is an investigation. What else do you have? The "evidence" you have so far also applies to the existence of Bigfoot. Do you have even more evidence that Bigfoot does not exist? You are talking about an irrelevant level of "evidence".