Thread: In god we trust

By the god damn way:

Money is very rapidly becoming electronic. What's the point of even considering this sort of thing if by the time anything gets done about it, there will be no paper money to speak of anyway??

Originally Posted by Adam

Thats coz we pwn you!

Actually, it's probably because we're the only country who got their independance by asking nicely.

i think there would be a huge public outcry if we tried to remove it. i guess religious people would feel like their beliefs are being threatened or not respected. but its easy to see the same problem if you look at it from the atheist/agnostic or non-religious side. Acknowledging one belief system above another is not American. And it really is an obvious violation of church and state.....and as hard as it might be for a religious person to admit...it should be removed



NEW QUESTION
if it was going to be removed, what slogan would you put in its place?

I personally beleive that it should be removed, (both from money and the pledge) but on account that we have bigger things to attend to, and it would never get done, I choose to accept it. (Just bypass it, with the pledge) What does god have to do with currency, anyway?

NEW QUESTION
if it was going to be removed, what slogan would you put in its place?

"Oderint dum metuant"-Let them hate us so long as they fear us. Just kidding! Maybe we don't need a slogan. Or just "America." 'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Lunalight

Maybe we don't need a slogan. Or just "America

A lot of committees who have tried to get the slogan removed purpose different slogans such as
"in our nation we trust" or "in freedom we trust" and so on. its patriotic and gets the job done

Originally Posted by Matt5678

A lot of committees who have tried to get the slogan removed purpose different slogans such as
"in our nation we trust" or "in freedom we trust" and so on. its patriotic and get the job done

I like the "in freedom we trust." After all, isn't that what America is really about? Didn't our ancestors come here to escape religious oppression?

Oh, fine. No one wants to see the logical side of this. This is the problem when people get carried away with stomping on anything even remotely religious.

Of course it should. I vote yes.

Originally Posted by Lord_Pwnage

Of course it should. I vote yes.

You have one of the funniest screen names I have ever come across.

I've been going back and forth about chiming in on this thread, and have finally decided to do so.

I voted no, and it has nothing to do with my Christian faith. The reason is because I see that phrase and idea as fundamental to liberty.

The entire legal system of the U.S. is founded on the idea of inalienable individual rights: "... are endowed by their Creator..." and all that. Whether you believe in God or not, removing the concept of Creator from the U.S. constitution strips the foundation out from under it. Rights would no longer be sacred endowments of individuals, but rather become an intellectual concept ripe for re-interpretation.

Without the recognition that rights transcend the whim of man, we are nothing but slaves. Rights that exist by the grace of government are not rights at all - they are privileges, waiting to be exploited, granted and revoked by corrupt humans wielding the power of government.

Believe in God nor not, but be careful where you choose to credit the source of your rights. Do YOU want to entrust your liberty to your fellow humans and the governments they create to empower themselves?

Not me.

That would be like removing Christmas decorations from public places because it promotes Christianity. Really, how pathetic is it that this would bother some people? 90% of this country believes in God and the last time I checked this is still a democracy.

Originally Posted by pj

I've been going back and forth about chiming in on this thread, and have finally decided to do so.

I voted no, and it has nothing to do with my Christian faith. The reason is because I see that phrase and idea as fundamental to liberty.

The entire legal system of the U.S. is founded on the idea of inalienable individual rights: "... are endowed by their Creator..." and all that. Whether you believe in God or not, removing the concept of Creator from the U.S. constitution strips the foundation out from under it. Rights would no longer be sacred endowments of individuals, but rather become an intellectual concept ripe for re-interpretation.

Without the recognition that rights transcend the whim of man, we are nothing but slaves. Rights that exist by the grace of government are not rights at all - they are privileges, waiting to be exploited, granted and revoked by corrupt humans wielding the power of government.

Believe in God nor not, but be careful where you choose to credit the source of your rights. Do YOU want to entrust your liberty to your fellow humans and the governments they create to empower themselves?

Not me.

"Creator" is a much more vague term than "God". I believe in a creator, but I don't think it is a guy with a mind and a personality. I think it is a scientific principle. I disagree with the founders on the idea that the creator directly gave us our rights. I think those come from public conscience. Still, "creator" and "God" are not synonymous terms, and putting a religious statement on money is using government as a religious function, which I think is unfair and sets a dangerous precedent. It would be better to say, "In The Creator We Trust", but I think it would be even better than that to keep the issue off money completely.

Originally Posted by 27

That would be like removing Christmas decorations from public places because it promotes Christianity. Really, how pathetic is it that this would bother some people? 90% of this country believes in God and the last time I checked this is still a democracy.

Christmans should not be a government function either. I am not bothered by Christmas. If people have lights and manger scenes in their yards, I am fine with it and think a lot of such yards look really cool, but the government should not be in that business. We are not merely a democracy. We are a constitutional democratic-republic, and minorities have rights. Government should never be in the religion business, no matter what percentage of the people are religious. Government and religion do not mix.

Somewhere down the road, it is possible that Islam will be the dominant religion in the U.S. I think the fanatics that are screwing up the world so bad right now are most likely in the process of completely obliterating that possibility, but it is still somewhat of a possibility. In such a future, the Muslim majority would believe that "creator" means "Allah", and the currency would say something like, "In Allah We Trust". What would you think of that?

Its doesn't really matter who you think gave us the rights, the important concept is that every single person was born with such rights, simply by being born. Its one of the most important things to understand about government, yet few people ever seem to learn. Thinking you get your rights from the government is very dangerous, and its not true at all.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Christmans should not be a government function either.

a little off topic but on the Christmas thing....

alot of people who are not Christians celebrate Christmas. Christmas has really become less of a Christian Holiday and more of an American Tradition. What do you think the government shouldn’t do?....i mean, its not like their putting a crucifix on the white house lawn or anything

I agree with Matt on the Christmas thing.

Muslims aren't going to be putting Allah anything on paper currency because if they are ever the majority, by that time paper currency will have vanished.

*third attempt to introduce logic into this thread*

Mes, when you say that money is becoming electronic, what exactly are you talking about?

EDIT: Oh, you mean credit cards right?

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Apparently, god hates fags. I'm a fag. I hate god xD

Seriously. If someone put "God doesn't exist" in the bills, would it be fair? No way. But why is it fair to put "In god we trust"? I don't see a difference. As someone in this thread already said, USA is a democracy, and in a democracy a vote is what counts: the majority is always the one that rules society. Democracy doesn't work.

I don't trust god. He's killed a lot of people, and someday he's gonna kill me. Screw that guy, it needs to be taken off currency. How are you supposed to trust something that's never done anything to build trust? Wtf.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No way. The USA is a Christian nation, and it was founded on Christian principles by hardcore Baptists who demanded that the obviously true religion be crammed down the throats of everybody in God's favorite country. The only thing that should change is that the currency should use God's more specific name and say, "In Jesus We Trust". It would not be saying which Jesus, so it would be fair to everybody. Atheists and polytheists are not real Americans, so they can just go back to the dark ages somewhere else and throw rocks at mammoths.

I voted "Yes".

Too bad that isn't true .

Originally Posted by Kromoh

the majority is always the one that rules society. Democracy doesn't work.

i think its impossible or extremely difficult to make everyone happy. so the logic is to just make as many people as you can happy. but America is about justice for all, not just 95%. so i see your point

Christmas is a pagan holiday anyway, that the Christians decided to take over. (Do you think Jesus was actually born on December 25th?) Fundamentalist Christians don't even celebrate it.

Originally Posted by Grod

Mes, when you say that money is becoming electronic, what exactly are you talking about?

EDIT: Oh, you mean credit cards right?

Yes!! And it's happening faster than you might think.

I honestly don't see why anybody cares at all. Simply saying in god we trust doesn't hurt a damn person. There are bigger issues at hand.

Originally Posted by CymekSniper

I honestly don't see why anybody cares at all. Simply saying in god we trust doesn't hurt a damn person. There are bigger issues at hand.

Thank you. Probably wisest comment I've seen in this thread thus far. That, and Moonbeam's comment about Christmas.