Thread: Marijuana/cocaine should be legalized in the U.S

This discussion is about the USA. Unless you moved after high school your personal experience is not really relevant.

Either way, exposure does not mean direct use. You could have obtained weed if you were so inclined. I bet all you would have had to do was ask one of those "stoners".

Yeah I realise this, I just think its a little over generalisation that's all.

Maybe. Depends on the individual. Illegality might even seem attractive to some.

Yeah it can work both ways I guess

Are you one to judge others?

No, not at all.

How can I be opposing drinking if I'm pro drugs? The truth is I am not pro drugs nor anti drugs. I am pro-sensible policy.

I fail to see how legalising drugs is a sensible policy.

Surely all you would create here is the need for the drug lords and gangs to them come up with stronger, more dangerous drugs for people, to get back the money they would lose from being legalised?

Originally Posted by Adam

Surely all you would create here is the need for the drug lords and gangs to them come up with stronger, more dangerous drugs for people, to get back the money they would lose from being legalised?

That doesn't make any sense. How could they compete with the legal production of drugs that humans have been using for hundreds, some thousands of years?

And with the risk involved in illegal production the costs would be inflated and nobody would pay for it anyway when they can get cheaper, clean, regulated drugs from a shop.

So you think the governments legal cocaine and weed would be produced strong enough for the everagy drug addict to be satisfied with?

Originally Posted by unrest

Let me ask you, do you think avoiding these risks justifies a pointless and expensive war against a class of citizens who (suppliers excluded) are really hurting nobody? How much longer can we keep it up anyways?

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

suck my dick. Marijuana is an awesome plant!

Are these the type of harmless, rational people you are talking about ?

I highly doubt you can trust your populace to use drugs responsibly (bit of an oxymoron?), I know I would feel uncomfortable about it.

Anyways, I won`t press much further, I`m not even an american, so this doesn`t concern me much...

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

suck my dick. Marijuana is an awesome plant!

Please use respectful language. Next time I'll flag the post.

Acceptance of ignorance, is fallacious yet so oddly effective.

Originally Posted by Adam

So you think the governments legal cocaine and weed would be produced strong enough for the everagy drug addict to be satisfied with?

Yes. Why not? They're plants that grow in the ground. It's not like drug producers engineer this stuff. Hell, the coke might even be more potent because it won't be cut with any other stuff.

By the way, drug user does not equal drug addict. A drug user is someone who uses drugs for recreation, a drug addict is someone who needs help.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I highly doubt you can trust your populace to use drugs responsibly (bit of an oxymoron?), I know I would feel uncomfortable about it.

Do you want the government to set your curfew as well? We are not "their" populace and it is not the government's place to restrict these kinds of things.

But it doesn't even matter because outright prohibition has failed miserably.

I'm not saying that drugs are all rainbows and bunnies. I have seen where drug addiction can lead a person. If there is one thing I have learned through witnessing that is that drug addicts should not be treated as criminals.

It's time for a new plan. Accept the fact that drugs are a part of our culture and deal with the problems that arise. Throwing another non-violent "criminal" into an overcrowded jail is not dealing with the problem.

Originally Posted by Jdog

honestly i think being caught with marijuana (or any drug for that matter) should be a death sentance required crime.

I suppose that would include the drugs: caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, aspirin, etc? Why is the first illegal and the rest not? Do you have an opinion on that?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Are these the type of harmless, rational people you are talking about ?

I suppose I could have worded better. But then again, someone who thinks being caught with marijuana should mean getting the death sentence is a closed minded dumb ass who's never tried it, and deserves a blunt reply. I don't want to know what he would want to do to a convicted murder.

I think for someone to say that drugs are a form of human cowardice or a complete watse of time is totally seeing things in black and white. For centuries people have seen natually occuring chemicals as a way of pursuing enlightenment, inhancing their spiritual being. It is something that was so ingrained in many of our past cultures that it's hard to see people being so flipant in their opinions and lumping everything into one category. There is a broad spectrum of drugs out there....and a broad spectrum for the reasons these drugs are used.

Originally Posted by Jdog

honestly i think being caught with marijuana (or any drug for that matter) should be a death sentance required crime. it would stop the drug problem realy quick and kill quite a few of the worthless cowardly peices of shit

This is a rather aggressive and obtuse statement, ignorant IMO.
But that is his view.
Many people have seen drugs ruin their lives and others.
A lot of drugs lead to heavier drug use.

Regardless whether or not we agree with that standard does not open it up for demeaning statements.

Like many of the drug discussions or topics, maybe the content is the answer in in itself.
~Why are these drug labeled topics riddled with lower case discussion. Almost every one gets moderated.
~Why do members so poignantly express their views towards others who oppose drug use? This kind of shows you something doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Howie

Like many of the drug discussions or topics, maybe the content is the answer in in itself.
~Why are these drug labeled topics riddled with lower case discussion. Almost every one gets moderated.
~Why do members so poignantly express their views towards others who oppose drug use? This kind of shows you something doesn't it?

I'm curious, what does that show? To me, this is a human rights issue that affects me personally. That is why I am so ready to express my opinion.

I can understand being against drug use. I even hold that opinion myself at times. What I can't understand is wanting to keep them illegal after prohibition has been proven so ineffective.

I do not argue that drug use is a good thing and should be celebrated. I argue that the current solution to the problem is not working. Something else must be done.

Originally Posted by unrest

I'm curious, what does that show? To me, this is a human rights issue that affects me personally. That is why I am so ready to express my opinion.

I can understand being against drug use. I even hold that opinion myself at times. What I can't understand is wanting to keep them illegal after prohibition has been proven so ineffective.

I do not argue that drug use is a good thing and should be celebrated. I argue that the current solution to the problem is not working. Something else must be done.

I hold a very similar stance.
This is discussion that may lead to an alternative?
Taking one substance comparing it to another seems pointless.
If drugs were legalized this would have to be an issue. Just one more reason I don't feel it would work.
Another poor comparison is prohibition. Not only are there several factors that make this a lot different, it also was a very different time in history.

I feel accountability is a step in the right direction. I don't know the right direction. The death penalty, no, but much like any form of authority, it needs to show up to be affective.

Originally Posted by Howie

Like many of the drug discussions or topics, maybe the content is the answer in in itself.
~Why are these drug labeled topics riddled with lower case discussion. Almost every one gets moderated.
~Why do members so poignantly express their views towards others who oppose drug use? This kind of shows you something doesn't it?

as far as im concerned grammer isnt that important as long as your message is understandable. As far as I am concerned grammer is not that important as long as your message is understandable.

Perhaps it is because people who use drugs, have experience with them. I know what it is like to get stoned on marijuana, I know its positive and negative effects, I've done my research - Do some yourself. I do not need some ingoramus telling me that I am a demotivated, brain-fried tune-box. The general population of nay-sayers have no experience with the drug, and rely on some propaganda they comsumed for information. My brother used to have old posters they used to put up on the street to warn people against the dangers of marijuana.

The official truth:
If you smoke it, you will DIE! (Or be killed by Jdog)

the issue is responsibility. plain and simple.

legal or not you're going to have people who use responsibly and people who don't. more often the later.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

as far as im concerned grammer isnt that important as long as your message is understandable. As far as I am concerned grammer is not that important as long as your message is understandable.

Perhaps it is because people who use drugs, have experience with them. I know what it is like to get stoned on marijuana, I know its positive and negative effects, I've done my research - Do some yourself. I do not need some ingoramus telling me that I am a demotivated, brain-fried tune-box. The general population of nay-sayers have no experience with the drug, and rely on some propaganda they comsumed for information. My brother used to have old posters they used to put up on the street to warn people against the dangers of marijuana.

The official truth:

If you smoke it, you will DIE! (Or be killed by Jdog)

Do my homework. What is the assignment?

You are certainly making my point stand out.
First I did not say anything about grammar.
Second, you are being rather presumptuous. Because of my stance, you have concluded that I have no experience with any drugs?
again, you have excluded yourself out as a an unmotivated brain fried tune box. I haven't.

All I have done is witness over a period of four years that most of the drug discussion topics are degenerative on more than one level.

Originally Posted by Jacabo

the issue is responsibility. plain and simple.
legal or not you're going to have people who use responsibly and people who don't. more often the later.

there you have it.

Originally Posted by Howie

Do my homework. What is the assignment?

You are certainly making my point stand out.
First I did not say anything about grammar.
Second, you are being rather presumptuous. Because of my stance, you have concluded that I have no experience with any drugs?
again, you have excluded yourself out as a an unmotivated brain fried tune box. I haven't.

All I have done is witness over a period of four years that most of the drug discussion topics are degenerative on more than one level.



there you have it.

That whole post was not directed at you, I was answering your questions in the previous post using generalities.
I'm not saying you haven't done any homework, but for any reader/poster that has not should look into it before posting.
As for not pointing out grammar, you mentioned something about lower case discussion, no?
The 'unmotivated brain fried tune box' was a general statement. That is how some people may describe a stoner. I wasn't describing myself.
As for you not having any experience with drugs, you may or may have not. It makes sense that the general anti-drug population would have little to no experience with drugs, and generally do not have a good overall understanding of the drug (marijuana/psychedelics).
I hope this cleared things up.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

That whole post was not directed at you, I was answering your questions in the previous post using generalities.
I'm not saying you haven't done any homework, but for any reader/poster that has not should look into it before posting.
As for not pointing out grammar, you mentioned something about lower case discussion, no?
The 'unmotivated brain fried tune box' was a general statement. That is how some people may describe a stoner. I wasn't describing myself.
As for you not having any experience with drugs, you may or may have not. It makes sense that the general anti-drug population would have little to no experience with drugs, and generally do not have a good overall understanding of the drug (marijuana/psychedelics).
I hope this cleared things up.

Becasue I was the one quoted, I took that as directed towards me.

I think the bigger misunderstanding is my error. Lower class NOT Case. We have a member here called Lowercase Society, it often rolls off my tongue, when it should not!
I did not mean to bring grammar into play. Heck, if that were the case, I would be the biggest suspect.

There are a fortunate few that can see both sides of this argument. The few that have experienced usage and have come out of it with their own intepretations. The other two, the unmotivated brain fried tune boxes < I like that, and the class that you describe, that has no experiences of their own to relate to.

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

Originally Posted by ClouD

Acceptance of ignorance, is fallacious yet so oddly effective.

thats kinda what my OP was getting at.

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

What drugs were they taking?

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse
honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward
ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

Not all drugs are used to hide from their problems. I'd say those drugs are probably mainly alcohol and painkillers.

I am a drug user, and so are many of my friends. I have never used them to hide from my problems, in fact, marijuana will probably make you think about your problems more and make them worse.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.


You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Do you really think the people who still smoke weed if there was a death penalty are cowards? how does that make sense? They would be taking a huge risk, which is the opposite of being a coward.

It seems like you think everyone , or most of the people who do drugs, do them because they want to get away from their problems. I'm sure it's that way with some drugs, but a lot of people who use them want to explore their mind and their feelings, in ways that can't be expressed to anyone. You have to experience it for yourself, or you can never know.

Anyone who has ever done marijuana or any hallucinogen will tell you that you can't hide from your problems on them. That's why it is advised to not have any when you are taking them.


Also, though cocaine and marijuana are the main drugs gangs traffic, heroin and meth are other big ones, along with any variant of them.

Drugs are like lucid dreams. I told my mom about lucid dreams and asked her if she ever had one. She said she is afraid of them, she thinks it would be scary.
I think people who don't take drugs are either against them for obvious reasons, or are scared of them.

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

Originally Posted by yay

I am a drug user, and so are many of my friends. I have never used them to hide from my problems, in fact, marijuana will probably make you think about your problems more and make them worse.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.


You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Do you really think the people who still smoke weed if there was a death penalty are cowards? how does that make sense? They would be taking a huge risk, which is the opposite of being a coward.

It seems like you think everyone , or most of the people who do drugs, do them because they want to get away from their problems. I'm sure it's that way with some drugs, but a lot of people who use them want to explore their mind and their feelings, in ways that can't be expressed to anyone. You have to experience it for yourself, or you can never know.

Anyone who has ever done marijuana or any hallucinogen will tell you that you can't hide from your problems on them. That's why it is advised to not have any when you are taking them.


Also, though cocaine and marijuana are the main drugs gangs traffic, heroin and meth are other big ones, along with any variant of them.

Drugs are like lucid dreams. I told my mom about lucid dreams and asked her if she ever had one. She said she is afraid of them, she thinks it would be scary.
I think people who don't take drugs are either against them for obvious reasons, or are scared of them.

Not all drugs are used to hide from their problems. I'd say those drugs are probably mainly alcohol and painkillers.

What a sad generalization. How would one even respond?

EDIT text.
Not going to help anyway.

Edit twice.

Health?

Originally Posted by Jdog

sorry its just drugs make me angry. its yet another form of human cowardice, people cant deal with their problems so they hide them, regardless of the negative effects people try to hide in a wave of halucinations (among other things). when they relize hiding the problem doesnt make it go away, they try harder to hide it. Which usualy turns casual drug use into full blown addiction and abuse

I'm sorry but you are extremely misinformed. A lot of the people I knew in high school were drug users. Some used more, some used less. But nobody I knew used them for therapy. All of them were, for the most part, well balanced people.

Even if your point were true, do you think that jailing these people is the best course of action? I don't.

honestly i dont think i can be called a coward, i am enlisted in the U.S marine corps DEP (delayed enlistment program), ile be shipping out in about a year for basic training. ive specificaly requested a combat MOS, im hoping to get infantry but wont mind if im a tanker or artillery specialist. so please dont call me a coward

I'm not saying that you are lying, just why does your profile say you are 15 years old?

ive actualy lost 3 friends over the whole issue of drugs, all 3 friendships ended in a fight when i laughed at them and called them pathetic. so drugs are an issue i will fight over. just a little insight into why i hate drugs

EDIT: i do have no personal experiance with drugs, however i dont base what i know off the government anti drug propaganda, i get most the information from my 3 former friends

That's fine. You don't have to associate with people who use drugs if you don't want to. But do you really need these people removed from society to feel comfortable? And consider this: drugs being illegal did not stop your friends from starting to use them.

You must be able to see that outlawing drugs is not a viable solution (this has been proven over that last few decades). It would be much easier to deal with the problem from inside the system rather than outside. Don't you agree?



EDIT: Unless somebody bring something new to the table this will be my last post in this thread. I think I made my point of view known.