Thread: Marijuana/cocaine should be legalized in the U.S

Originally Posted by Jdog

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

I live in a rural area, so it's probably different than the city, but most of the people I know don't use drugs to escape their problems. I think they make you think about it in a different way and can help a lot. Like MDMA, it was used in therapy before it was illegal and it was said to have done years worth of therapy in just a few or even 1 MDMA session. I can definitely see why after taking it.

I'm not a person that just takes anything they can get their hands on. I wasn't at a party or anything when I took the MDMA either. I was with friends and it was pure, I could tell because the capsule was clear and it was from a reliable source. I also did a lot of research about it, which I do with any drug I plan on experimenting with.

I think it's a waste to not experiment with your mind. I agree that not everyone is ready, or ever will be for this sort of experimentation, but many very smart people have taken drugs. You can say drug users are cowards, I guess it's your way to make sure you never take them. You've been told over and over how bad they are for you, so you won't accept that it could be beneficial. You will never know why people do drugs. It's something that can't be explained properly to someone who hasn't experienced it.

It's just the way I am really. I love experiencing new things. My experiences on these substances is something that is very dear to me. I think it changed my close-minded view of the world. It made me realize the beauty in everything. And before I used drugs I was very depressed.

Having a lucid dream and trying to convey the experience is impossible. Just as trying to convey an experience with a chemical.

I'd like to add that I don't use heroin, cocaine, or methamphetamine. I think physically addictive chemicals are horrible. Any addiction to a chemical that is mentally addictive is the same as chocolate or coffee or even TV, it's something that you like, so you do it. I know people more addicted to TV than I have ever been with a drug.

I think the responsible use of entheogens should be legal, either under supervision or for adults. I think there should be source where you can get these chemicals, and know 100% that they are clean and pure.



I am pretty sure there was drug use in World War I. I'm not certain, but I think Morphine abuse was the main one ever since it was created.


There aren't any soldiers putting their body in front of mine... They are miles away making them more angry. They want us there, it is a lot easier to kill us there than here. We are just sending people out to die. It's really sad. War just makes all the relatives of the person you just killed really pissed off, and now you have more. What are we going to do? Kill them all? When do you think the war on terrorism will end? Oh thats right, It wont. It's probably been present in human history since the beginning. It's a war that cannot be won, only fought. And America has too much pride to back out of it, like in Vietnam. Getting a country under your control is very hard. Guerrilla tactics can't be fought conventionally.


So we should just kill everyone until the world is united? I really don't think killing people will unite us. It creates hate. We have to kill the hate, not create it.



This is what Religion is, and has been doing since its conception. People have different beliefs and fight and kill because of them , instead of trying to understand and help eachother.

I thought violence was never the answer?

Cocaine's medicinal use is a local for surgery.

Cocaine's social use is to destroy someone's wallet, friendships, and life.

Marijuana is wonderful. It has nothing bad to its name, in fact, studies show it FIGHTS cancer cells.

Take it from a former cocaine addict, it will destroy you.

Originally Posted by Jdog

well there is no death penalty, the current penalty amounts to a little slap on the rist. it doesnt matter if you admit it or not, most people do drugs to get away from their problems, i find it interesting that soldiers fighting in the trenches during world war one never used drugs (there were none available at the time) but people today who arent even in the military and have never seen a war think they have problems

and for the record YES i do think being in the military qualifies any person as brave, they put their bodies in between you and the terrorists, and any enemy for that matter ive seen the reports about veteren suicides and it is sad. i have never thought war is fun or exciting but unfortunatly it will be a necesaty untill the world is united.

aand the drugs for each friend was different, two were marijuana and the other was meth.

Until the world is the United World of America? Lol.

Many people take advil/asprin/tylonol to get away from headache problems without thinking twice. Actually many soldiers used (cant think of the name, very very strong pain reliver used for birth and other painful shit...starts with 'M' I think?) when they knew they were going to die, hows that not running away from your problems? Different drugs for different purposes. Not all drugs are used to get away from problems. I actually agree with yay saying that marijuana makes you think about your problems even more, psychedelics to an even greater extent.

You think a coward takes a quarter ounce of mushrooms? You think cowards take hallucinogens? No way. If anyone, the cowards are those who are too afraid to take them. They are afraid they will go insane, or are afraid of what they might see or feel. I'm not saying it's good for everyone to take them, but cowards don't touch hallucinogens. Only people brave enough to explore their mind.

You think the military makes you brave? I think it's sick. Did you hear about the rising suicide rate of veterans? Did you ever think why? Killing people isn't fun or exciting. It's horrific. I can't believe that war still exists. It's disgusting what people do to each other because they can't accept people for who they are. If you think killing people is brave, I feel really bad for you, it makes me sick, but as others have, you will see the truth of war.

Exactly. I coudln't agree more. You articulated some of the exact same thoughts I had.

The illegality of drugs is atrocious on many levels.

Crime is really out of control in many parts of the U.S., and the number one reason for that is the war on drugs. There are a few reasons for that. Drugs like heroin and cocaine are so addictive that people often get to the point where they will do literally anything to get their hands on their drugs. They will rob their parents, become prostitutes, sell their children, and sure as Hell rob, mug, carjack, and burglarize you. With that in mind, ask yourself whether you would rather such a person's addictive as Hell drug of choice cost $20 per fix or 20 cents per fix. As it is, a small rock of crack costs $20 and a regular serving of heroin or one of its synthetic equivalents is in the ballpark of $20. How often to people rob houses in the middle of the night or mug people on the sidewalk to get money to buy beer or cigarettes? Because those other drugs are illegal (and synthetic heroin requires prescriptions), they are outrageously expensive to stay high on. When a person buys them, he or she is paying mostly for the drug trade danger fee. If those drugs were legal, people would not be out robbing and hurting people all over the place to get their drugs. They would mind their own business by destroying themselves in their own houses without destroying you and the people you love. As it is, many times more than otherwise innocent bystanders who never signed up for the drug game are in danger. That is not fair.

Also, the gang problem is outrageous in the U.S. That is because the gangs are mainly drug trade organizations. Without the war on drugs, we would still have gangs, but nothing like we do now. In the 1920's, Chicago turned into a big time battle zone because of the alcohol wars among the gangs. Al Capone's gang is the one that rose above all of the other ones and dominated. The other big cities in the U.S. had the same problem. When the war on the drug alcohol ended, the drive by shootings and other public problems of gang fighting chilled out big time. The country was much safer. In the few years between the legalization of alcohol and the illegalization of pot, there were virtually no drive by shootings in the U.S. That was a big change.

The gang problem has gotten so out of hand that it has infiltrated every area of American life. Some of the most popular kids in school now are the drug dealing gangsters. That is because they have the street power and the money, and therefore the most desired women. That has the other kids looking up to them and wanting to be like them, so now even rich suburban kids wear baggy jeans and their hats backwards and talk all the time about beating ass and taking people "out" and feel very compelled to fight over even the most minor conflicts. We have a dangerous gang culture that is humongous, and it would not be anything close to what it is without the war on drugs.

The people who generally become drug addicts get into drugs in the first place when they are in junior high or high school. The biggest attraction to the drugs is the coolness the kids think they have by doing the drugs and being identified as members of the drug kids club. Everybody knows the bunch I am talking about because every grade in every school has one. Those kids think they are something special because they dare to play with things the government has declared war on and are seen as taboo. The kids will name drop drugs the way rich people name drop prominent community member's names and do it in hard tones of voice to show how edgy they supposedly are. Sadly, it does help them socially. That is so dangerous. People get into drugs for reasons other than that, but that is a major one and probably the leading one. If drugs were legal, that particular factor would nearly cease to exist.

Also, if people want to do drugs even to the point of self-destruction, that is THEIR business, just like it is their business whether they turn into Godzilla sized Pilsbury Dough People eating ice cream, cake, and Happy Meals every day. The right to do drugs is like the right to not exercise or the right to not go to college. It is a personal decision. It is not the government's decision to make.

Despite all of the insanity the government is going through for this crazy war, drugs are easy as pie to get. They are a little harder than otherwise to get, but not much. I know that first hand. Also, the very few nights in my major drug days of the past when I could not find the drugs I wanted, guess what I did. I drank alcohol, one of the most dangerous drugs there is. I bet the alcohol lobbyists love it when that happens. Go figure.

Consider what I just said and then consider this. The last time I checked, the government was spending $639 per second on the war on drugs. Is it worth paying that much to be so nosy and counterproductive?

By the way, there is a challenge I have for anybody who thinks alchohol should be legal but marijuana should be illegal. Please fill in the blanks. Marijuana should be illegal because __________________________________________. However, alcohol should be legal because _______________________________________________.

Isn't there something extremely fishy about how the law is set up like that? It is things like that which suggest to me that the war on drugs is all about lobbyist corruption. 1/3 of tobacco users end up losing their lives to tobacco. Is the government gearing up for the coming war on tobacco yet? Exactly.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Mushrooms were just illegalized in the Netherlands after one too many mushroom induced suicides. People can get some crazy delusions on those things.

Really? I did not know that. I have never heard of a mushroom suicide, and I have known tons of people who love mushrooms. But I have been to the funerals of two friends who committed suicide while drunk.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Way to be supportive to those with whom you are supposedly friends. It's no wonder the friendships ended. You do need to revise your evaluation of the reason though. It wasn't the drugs, it was your laughing at them and calling them pathetic. If it really had mattered to you to help your friends, perhaps you could have found a more constructive approach.

You may think in a similar manner to someone who has lost their friends.

Originally Posted by unrest

I'm sorry but you are extremely misinformed. A lot of the people I knew in high school were drug users. Some used more, some used less. But nobody I knew used them for therapy. All of them were, for the most part, well balanced people.

Even if your point were true, do you think that jailing these people is the best course of action? I don't.



I'm not saying that you are lying, just why does your profile say you are 15 years old?



That's fine. You don't have to associate with people who use drugs if you don't want to. But do you really need these people removed from society to feel comfortable? And consider this: drugs being illegal did not stop your friends from starting to use them.

You must be able to see that outlawing drugs is not a viable solution (this has been proven over that last few decades). It would be much easier to deal with the problem from inside the system rather than outside. Don't you agree?



EDIT: Unless somebody bring something new to the table this will be my last post in this thread. I think I made my point of view known.

that was a typo which i have now corrected lol i hit 1992 rather then 1990 for some reason

I also want to add that a lot of very nice people do drugs, and putting people who are not evil in prison is out of the question.

We need to greatly expand the war on the demand side of the drug problem but call it off on the supply side. A great deal of information about drugs that people need to know is not being taught in schools.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The illegality of drugs is atrocious on many levels.

Crime is really out of control in many parts of the U.S., and the number one reason for that is the war on drugs. There are a few reasons for that. Drugs like heroin and cocaine are so addictive that people often get to the point where they will do literally anything to get their hands on their drugs. They will rob their parents, become prostitutes, sell their children, and sure as Hell rob, mug, carjack, and burglarize you. With that in mind, ask yourself whether you would rather such a person's addictive as Hell drug of choice cost $20 per fix or 20 cents per fix. As it is, a small rock of crack costs $20 and a regular serving of heroin or one of its synthetic equivalents is in the ballpark of $20. How often to people rob houses in the middle of the night or mug people on the sidewalk to get money to buy beer or cigarettes? Because those other drugs are illegal (and synthetic heroin requires prescriptions), they are outrageously expensive to stay high on. When a person buys them, he or she is paying mostly for the drug trade danger fee. If those drugs were legal, people would not be out robbing and hurting people all over the place to get their drugs. They would mind their own business by destroying themselves in their own houses without destroying you and the people you love. As it is, many times more than otherwise innocent bystanders who never signed up for the drug game are in danger. That is not fair.

Also, the gang problem is outrageous in the U.S. That is because the gangs are mainly drug trade organizations. Without the war on drugs, we would still have gangs, but nothing like we do now. In the 1920's, Chicago turned into a big time battle zone because of the alcohol wars among the gangs. Al Capone's gang is the one that rose above all of the other ones and dominated. The other big cities in the U.S. had the same problem. When the war on the drug alcohol ended, the drive by shootings and other public problems of gang fighting chilled out big time. The country was much safer. In the few years between the legalization of alcohol and the illegalization of pot, there were virtually no drive by shootings in the U.S. That was a big change.

The gang problem has gotten so out of hand that it has infiltrated every area of American life. Some of the most popular kids in school now are the drug dealing gangsters. That is because they have the street power and the money, and therefore the most desired women. That has the other kids looking up to them and wanting to be like them, so now even rich suburban kids wear baggy jeans and their hats backwards and talk all the time about beating ass and taking people "out" and feel very compelled to fight over even the most minor conflicts. We have a dangerous gang culture that is humongous, and it would not be anything close to what it is without the war on drugs.

The people who generally become drug addicts get into drugs in the first place when they are in junior high or high school. The biggest attraction to the drugs is the coolness the kids think they have by doing the drugs and being identified as members of the drug kids club. Everybody knows the bunch I am talking about because every grade in every school has one. Those kids think they are something special because they dare to play with things the government has declared war on and are seen as taboo. The kids will name drop drugs the way rich people name drop prominent community member's names and do it in hard tones of voice to show how edgy they supposedly are. Sadly, it does help them socially. That is so dangerous. People get into drugs for reasons other than that, but that is a major one and probably the leading one. If drugs were legal, that particular factor would nearly cease to exist.

Also, if people want to do drugs even to the point of self-destruction, that is THEIR business, just like it is their business whether they turn into Godzilla sized Pilsbury Dough People eating ice cream, cake, and Happy Meals every day. The right to do drugs is like the right to not exercise or the right to not go to college. It is a personal decision. It is not the government's decision to make.

Despite all of the insanity the government is going through for this crazy war, drugs are easy as pie to get. They are a little harder than otherwise to get, but not much. I know that first hand. Also, the very few nights in my major drug days of the past when I could not find the drugs I wanted, guess what I did. I drank alcohol, one of the most dangerous drugs there is. I bet the alcohol lobbyists love it when that happens. Go figure.

Consider what I just said and then consider this. The last time I checked, the government was spending $639 per second on the war on drugs. Is it worth paying that much to be so nosy and counterproductive?

By the way, there is a challenge I have for anybody who thinks alchohol should be legal but marijuana should be illegal. Please fill in the blanks. Marijuana should be illegal because __________________________________________. However, alcohol should be legal because _______________________________________________.

Isn't there something extremely fishy about how the law is set up like that? It is things like that which suggest to me that the war on drugs is all about lobbyist corruption. 1/3 of tobacco users end up losing their lives to tobacco. Is the government gearing up for the coming war on tobacco yet? Exactly.



Really? I did not know that. I have never heard of a mushroom suicide, and I have known tons of people who love mushrooms. But I have been to the funerals of two friends who committed suicide while drunk.

to all those who claim i didnt support my friends realy shouldnt make that assumption, i tried to talk them into stopping for about half a year i didnt just say "WHAT YOUR DOING DRUGS?!?!??! ZOMG LETS FIGHT"

yea that was a massive will written post, the fact is your right, (note that the name of the topic was that i think these things should be legalized) beacause unfortunatly most people dont have the stomach to implement drug use as a death penalty crime. if america continues in the direction its going i see three possible outcomes, 1, people relize for some reason how stupid they are for doing drugs and using alchohol and everything gets better (unlikely)
2 the governent caves and legalizes drugs such as marijuana cocaine and others that dont do too much bodily harm (again unlikley)
3 military intervention, the government deploys national gaurd units to major crime and drug centers for a set period of time, the gaurdsmen are given very few restrictions on how they deal with gang members and drug users, IE they are authorized to use deadly force on either (i see this as the most probable outcome if the situation doesnt change)

lmao, are you kidding me?

Yeah Jdog, I hope that your last comment wasn't serious. I mean just because you personally think drug use is " stupid" and "immoral" doesn't mean that that has to become a law. Sadly enough that already is so, but you also insist putting a deathpenalty on drug use. What kind of medieval, lowly intelligent mentality is that? When I am smoking Marijuana why should you bother? I'm not harming anyone with it. at best myself ( In case you're unaware; Marijuana, LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote and DMT, all intense, natural hallucinogens are all no more harmfull than a cup of coffee ), but that would be non of your business. I don't think you are concerned about people when it comes to the drug issue; Do you know how many people get killed by governmental execution? I'd rather see the deathpenalty become illegal and drugs such as Marijuana and natural hallucinogens be legalised.

So what is your logic? "Drugs are bad hmmkay. And if drugs won't kill people, then I will" ?
Well maybe they should hang you for your musical taste. Or your sexual preference. Or for any other insignificant personal choice with which you're not harming anyone at all. I hope you see the point I'm trying to make here.
It would become an even more dangerious world if we were to execute all of those with which we disagree.

And in such a world, where smoking a joint would be punished by murder (where's the moral logic in that? Tell me please), drugs would be the least of all health-concerns. A government that is intolerant, cruelly dominant towards it's people and eager to put a rope around the necks of "deviants" is much more of a health threat actually.



And about druglaws:

Actually here in Holland, in an effort to get a grip on the drug-related gangs and crimes, they legalised cannabis. And what a good move it was. It's not like Cannabis is a harmfull drug, it's not addictive so it's responsible to legalise. Result: Criminals have 0 grip on the Marijuana market and Crime around it dissolved and disappeared pretty much completely.

Now to do this with cocaine would be a little bit trickier, as Cocaine is incredibly addictive and quite significantly harmfull physically and psychologically. But then again it's not like people who are so ignorant and wreckless to do cocaine anyway currently have much trouble obtaining cocaine no matter how enforced it is.
I guess it's better if cocaine too would be legalised, so criminals can't have any grip on it anymore. I read in the newspaper, a couple of months ago, that there was cocaine on the underground cocaine-market that was mixed in with Lethal-at-low-doses-substance Atropine, from deadly nightshade plants, having caused serveral people to die and be admitted to hospital in crytical states.

These situations would be avoided if cocaine were to be legalised and the substance extracted and processed professionally from the coca-plants by pharmaceutical laborants. However the problem with legal, high quality cocaine remains: It's still cocaine which is known to be very harmfull and addictive. It would become a second alcohol and cause alot of deaths, Addiction-related crimes and Cocaine induced violence. In combination with the, also very dangerious but underestimated, alcohol alrady legal almost everywhere cocaine would probably drag a whole lot of people down into addiction, abuse and mental instability.

So Legalise Marijuana? Defenitely; Legaling it causes a very small problem compaired to the huge problems we face in countries where it is illegal. In fact pretty much the same goes for alot of hallucinogens like Peyote/San Pedro Cacti(mescaline), Ayahuasca/Yopo/DMT, LSD, Psilocybin Mushrooms, Iboga and other natural hallucinogens; Eventhough the very names of these shamanic vegetative drugs make many of you shiver in disgust, it is worthy to know that all these substances are either completely harmless or no more toxic than a cup of coffee. So De-criminalising these substances by legalisation and government controlled sale would also be a very bright idea. You trade a shitload of problems for a low risk potential that is almost completely avoidable if people were to be thoroughly informed.

But I don't know about cocaine. It's so destructive and there is no way to really use it responsibly if you ask me. But I've heard you pros, the cons and I stated a few pros myself. I still don't know.

well its rather obvious that this topic is pointless, im not gonna change my mind and none of you guys are so lets get back to discussing lucid dreams

Originally Posted by SKA

Actually here in Holland, in an effort to get a grip on the drug-related gangs and crimes, they legalised cannabis. And what a good move it was. It's not like Cannabis is a harmfull drug, it's not addictive so it's responsible to legalise. Result: Criminals have 0 grip on the Marijuana market and Crime around it dissolved and disappeared pretty much completely.

Now to do this with cocaine would be a little bit trickier, as Cocaine is incredibly addictive and quite significantly harmfull physically and psychologically. But then again it's not like people who are so ignorant and wreckless to do cocaine anyway currently have much trouble obtaining cocaine no matter how enforced it is.
I guess it's better if cocaine too would be legalised, so criminals can't have any grip on it anymore. I read in the newspaper, a couple of months ago, that there was cocaine on the underground cocaine-market that was mixed in with Lethal-at-low-doses-substance Atropine, from deadly nightshade plants, having caused serveral people to die and be admitted to hospital in crytical states.

These situations would be avoided if cocaine were to be legalised and the substance extracted and processed professionally from the coca-plants by pharmaceutical laborants. However the problem with legal, high quality cocaine remains: It's still cocaine which is known to be very harmfull and addictive. It would become a second alcohol and cause alot of deaths, Addiction-related crimes and Cocaine induced violence. In combination with the, also very dangerious but underestimated, alcohol alrady legal almost everywhere cocaine would probably drag a whole lot of people down into addiction, abuse and mental instability.

So Legalise Marijuana? Defenitely; Legaling it causes a very small problem compaired to the huge problems we face in countries where it is illegal.

But I don't know about cocaine. It's so destructive and there is no way to really use it responsibly if youn ask me. But I've heard you pros, the cons and I stated a few pros myself. I still don't know.

i hope thats something everyone here can agree with

the problem with cocaine is that it can kill you


soooo.... theres no way thatll be legal




but marajauna should be

i apologize for some of the comments i make about drugs, as ive said they just make me angry, (a very personal reason i dont wish to discuss) but lets just say its often the reason i call druggies cowards, pathetic, etc. i say stupid shit and i know it. just understand please that its not pointless banter.

drugs... just another thing to get addicted to.

life is worse.

shall we make existence illegal?

it would be a great step up from false diplomacy.

actually, you know what? fuck it. it doesn't matter. we're all gonna die right?
why not get high and darken the sunglasses we look through.

Originally Posted by ClouD

drugs... just another thing to get addicted to.

life is worse.

shall we make existence illegal?

it would be a great step up from false diplomacy.

actually, you know what? fuck it. it doesn't matter. we're all gonna die right?
why not get high and darken the sunglasses we look through.

Are you trying to be some sort of poet? What kind of analogy is "why not get high and darken the sunglasses we look through"? What are you trying to convey here? Your post is sending mixed signals...

I'll make it short and sweet:

Marijuana: Sure

Coke: No fucking way.

The End.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'll make it short and sweet:

Marijuana: Sure

Coke: No fucking way.

The End.

With you all the way.

Well, mushrooms aren't illegal, so I am still safe from the Pole-ice. Besides, they don't do anything at all compared to those other drugs. They're better than DXM!

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'll make it short and sweet:

Marijuana: Sure

Coke: No fucking way.

The End.

Yeah, marijuana and coke are on two different levels.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Well, mushrooms aren't illegal, so I am still safe from the Pole-ice. Besides, they don't do anything at all compared to those other drugs. They're better than DXM!

I can't believe DXM is still legal. That stuff is dirty and nasty. Also, it doesn't cure colds any better than shrooms would, lol.

Originally Posted by Michael

I can't believe DXM is still legal. That stuff is dirty and nasty. Also, it doesn't cure colds any better than shrooms would, lol.

But shrooms == AWESOME()

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Originally Posted by grasshoppa

Are you trying to be some sort of poet? What kind of analogy is "why not get high and darken the sunglasses we look through"? What are you trying to convey here? Your post is sending mixed signals...

Did it rhyme?

It seems your sunglasses are superglued to your eyeballs.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'll make it short and sweet:

Marijuana: Sure

Coke: No fucking way.

The End.

that's why O kicks ass
agree