Thread: Hillary Clinton crying - sincere?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Clinton is winning a crapload of states in the primaries right now . INCLUDING MY STATE.

From what I read, the race seems split right down the middle...though slightly tipped in Obama's favor. Article updated 44 minutes ago from this post you're now reading.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Actually, a big part of President Bill's running power was his sincerity on the whole marijuana issue. He secured millions of young voters by simply telling the truth about something.

Are you kidding? " I didn't inhale,"? Bull****. At least Obama has been honest about his past. He admitted to drinking heavily, smoking pot, and doing cocain.

As for Hilary, completely calculated.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Did anyone watch and/or interact with the LIVE MTV Candidate Dialogue involving Barack, Hilary, Huckabee and Ron Paul? It was priceless...Hilary got pwned...hard...in the polls. nearly 80% of the people voting thought "She was slimey" "Untruthful" and would make a horrible president. Not only was this evident in the polls, but the guy checking the polls said at the end "Listen Hilary has been getting very negative feedback tonight and I just want to make it clear that a majority of her supporters are in the older category" a paraphrase of course but you get the idea. Huckabee did horrible in the polls and I laughed at the results, then Obama went on live and He did okay...he did more good than bad in the polls, and then Ron Paul went on...he was obviously the most popular. They showed the polling results on live t.v. and the polls were also updated frequently throughout the live dialogue. Then...Hilary went on...she was late to the dialogue...infact she was so late that they were stalling air time and went about 20 minutes over. She finally arrived and was drinking a cup of coffee while being interviewed...this made the first time voters roar with laughter seeing as the other candidates were attentive and did not drink anything on live t.v. Anyway...Hilary's results were an utter train wreck...she made Huckabee's poor results look commendable. When we voted on whether or not we thought Hilary did enough to reach out to the youth voters...like 70-80% of us doing the polls voted a resounding "NO." You had to of been there.

Things have really changed since I was 20. In 1992, Hillary Clinton was a legend among college age people. Back then, the idea of supporting a Republican was out of the question with most college folks, especially somebody as conservative on economics and social programs as Ron Paul. I am glad to see that change. I don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy views, but he is a MUCH better candidate than Hillary Clinton. I would rather anybody be elected than Hillary. I am glad that the new generation can see through the Clintons far better than mine could. I was extremely liberal back then, and I still hated the Clintons because they were so fake and untrustworthy.

I was so liberal back then that I was for Jerry Brown.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Are you deliberately missing my points? Sometimes I think you are just a careful troll. I might start having to deal with you the way I deal with Mystic.

Bill Clinton told the truth about his pot use? Are you joking? That used car salesman did not smoke pot but not inhale. More importantly, nobody believed him. So what are you talking about? And I would bet my left leg that he got stoned on a regular basis after seeing what he looked like back then.

I didn't see tears from Hillary, but crying doesn't always result in tears. It can involve the early stages of just being choked up and having voice spasms and so forth. I think it was an act any way.

The issue with Howard Dean's hillbilly scream was not his sincerity. It was that he is a LUNATIC. Get it right.

I never said "any sign of emotion is a sign of weakness". Getting into the early stages of crying because you are behind in the primaries is a sign of weakness. We are trying to elect somebody who will take on the world of nut case Islamofascism suicide for Allah and virgins gigantic death cult. We don't want somebody with the emotions of a fifteen year old cheerleader taking that job. But anger, determination, pride, and other "emotions" are great to have for that job. But Hillary was just putting on a show. So if she was sincere, which she wasn't, she's not qualified for the job. If she was not sincere, she is a sociopath and needs to be sent back to Arkansas.

I am going to be keeping tabs on YOUR sincerity.

Actually, if she was not sincere, she was just being a politician. A good one, too - she did win there.

So, though I agree that she is Satan, that just means that she's a really good politician, fake a manipulative as she is, so even though I despise her I want her to win. Basically, she might be Satan... but at least she's good at it.

And the only problem I see with being basically a good politician is that you might do things for yourself instead of helping the country. But when you're in charge, helping the country is helping yourself. That way you stay in charge. I hardly think she's going to compromise that after achieving her megalomaniac quest for power.

Edit: also, I realise having someone like that as leader involves a lot more problems. However, I believe all politicians are at heart like that, so if she's merely not as good as them at hiding that, all is well.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

Actually, if she was not sincere, she was just being a politician. A good one, too - she did win there.

So, though I agree that she is Satan, that just means that she's a really good politician, fake a manipulative as she is, so even though I despise her I want her to win. Basically, she might be Satan... but at least she's good at it.

And the only problem I see with being basically a good politician is that you might do things for yourself instead of helping the country. But when you're in charge, helping the country is helping yourself. That way you stay in charge. I hardly think she's going to compromise that after achieving her megalomaniac quest for power.

Edit: also, I realise having someone like that as leader involves a lot more problems. However, I believe all politicians are at heart like that, so if she's merely not as good as them at hiding that, all is well.

The Clintons don't see helping the country in the long run as helping themselves. Hillary wants to create immediate illusions, but that is it. That is what was so dangerous about Bill. It was all about how good he looked on a particular day. But what is his legacy? 9/11. Bush is a politician too, and perhaps just as evil, but how his presidency looks over the long haul is his concern. That is a much better kind of politician to have in office.

For example, fake crying definitely did help Hillary in the primaries. I think Obama would be clearly kicking her ass right now if she had not done it. But what was her concern? Getting elected. How do you think the Islamofascist terrorist leaders would react to a cry baby for a president? That is where it gets dangerous. But Hillary is all about how powerful she can be in the immediate future.

How do you think Islamofascists will see a woman president, cry-baby or not? Or a black one? Or an American one?

Crying is the least of her worries when it comes to that, especially if she isn't actually that weak.

But yes, that's what I was looking for: Long run v. short term. I think Hillary would be terrible as president from that point of view and many others because she is fake. But that doesn't mean that she isn't a ruthless, great politician. The crying thing doesn't make her weak, it shows how good she is, because she used it effectively to get what she wanted: a win. From that point of view, at the end of the day, the best politician is the one that wins, and that one should at least be respected for their virtue/manipulation skills that got them a win and recognized as a good politician. But from other points of view, she seems like she would be a bad president because she is fake. There's no other way to put it.

Originally Posted by The Fishy

How do you think Islamofascists will see a woman president, cry-baby or not? Or a black one? Or an American one?

Crying is the least of her worries when it comes to that, especially if she isn't actually that weak.

But yes, that's what I was looking for: Long run v. short term. I think Hillary would be terrible as president from that point of view and many others because she is fake. But that doesn't mean that she isn't a ruthless, great politician. The crying thing doesn't make her weak, it shows how good she is, because she used it effectively to get what she wanted: a win. From that point of view, at the end of the day, the best politician is the one that wins, and that one should at least be respected for their virtue/manipulation skills that got them a win and recognized as a good politician. But from other points of view, she seems like she would be a bad president because she is fake. There's no other way to put it.

Yes, she is great at being a politician for a given short term, but her legacy would be a disaster. The Islamofascists would definitely have other issues with a Hillary Clinton presidency, but weakness shown by crying because of being behind in the polls would definitely be one of them. I don't think they would give a shit if we had a black president. One thing the Islamofascists are not is prejudiced against black people. But they do think women suck. If the president of the U.S. is a crying woman, they are going to think we have gone completely cupcake. That is how they think.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes, she is great at being a politician for a given short term, but her legacy would be a disaster. The Islamofascists would definitely have other issues with a Hillary Clinton presidency, but weakness shown by crying because of being behind in the polls would definitely be one of them. I don't think they would give a shit if we had a black president. One thing the Islamofascists are not is prejudiced against black people. But they do think women suck. If the president of the U.S. is a crying woman, they are going to think we have gone completely cupcake. That is how they think.

That's riduculus. Racism is alive and very, very well in "extreme" *ahem - axis of evil - cough, cough* states. Blacks immigrate away from them because they're totally discriminated in these states. In Saudi Arabia there are whole communities of "sub-human" blacks living in complete deprivation and basically left to rot by the state. And they really are treated as "sub-human". People there judge your character on your skin. Hell, even dark-skinned Arabs are discriminated against by their light-skinned cousins. Blacks are seen as monkeys and don't have the same rights as others. People are vicious and violent to them - and this is a direct product of Islamofascism. Extreme Islam is the driving force behind this.

I can't say I'm a huge Hillary fan, but then again, I'm not a huge anyone fan this time around. Doesn't mean I won't vote, but I'm more conflicted than usual.

As to the tears, who knows? I think it's pretty obvious that anyone who dislikes her will see them as insincere while anyone who likes her will see it as a sign of "warmth." It's possible that it helped her, but then again, we don't really know. Could be it hurt her, and the surge would have been greater.

The real question is, if it were calculated, could she have been certain it would help? I'd think that crying would be a dangerous ploy, unless it were done while standing in front of starving children in Somalea.

I have things I don't like about Hillary, but didn't change my opinion up or down.

fuuck i went to that MTV link, and now I have to throw out my computer

Originally Posted by The Fishy

That's riduculus. Racism is alive and very, very well in "extreme" *ahem - axis of evil - cough, cough* states. Blacks immigrate away from them because they're totally discriminated in these states. In Saudi Arabia there are whole communities of "sub-human" blacks living in complete deprivation and basically left to rot by the state. And they really are treated as "sub-human". People there judge your character on your skin. Hell, even dark-skinned Arabs are discriminated against by their light-skinned cousins. Blacks are seen as monkeys and don't have the same rights as others. People are vicious and violent to them - and this is a direct product of Islamofascism. Extreme Islam is the driving force behind this.

Some of the Islamofascist individuals might be racist, but their goals and philosophies are not KKK at all. Can you post some Al Qaeda or Hezballah literature written against the black race? If it exists, I have never come acrsoss it. But I have seen some very dark Al Qaeda members. Bin Laden is very dark himself. And that guy Zacharias Moussaoii, the "20th hijacker". He is so dark he could pass for black. But read about what the Islamofascists have to say about women. It is pretty jaw dropping.

Hillary as president would look like a cream puff to the Islamofascists. Obama would not.

Now, I can't post any links (right now) because:

1. The government would hunt me down and drag me away. I mean this.
2. This is a 13+ Dreaming Forum. I can't post links to these websites.
3. I can't be bothered right now, meh - this is the most important one, apart from the next one*

Now, if you check out, for instance, "The Islamist" on Wikipedia, you'll find a few links to some of the groups I'm talking about. You should have plenty of evidence - some of them even have fully formed constitutions ready to put in place one they take over the world. They are condemmed by Al-Quada, btw. Each group is anti-black or not, but I hardly imagine Al-Qauda would fail tro make use of this opproturnity of makiung America look bad.

*Now, another (the MAIN) reason I'm not posting links is that their *current* ideals do not matter. They would if it worked like this:

Hate: Blacks = hate America because of black leader

No. It works like this:

America gets black leader = modify existing, partial beliefs to take advantage of another excuse to hate America.

They are merely looking for excuses to hate America, exact reasoning doesn't matter. They lay the groundwork for everything to take advantage of later. Obama would merely serve as an excuse.

Edit: I just had to laugh! Look at this:

[edit] Zionism
...(it) strongly opposes Zionism and the current state of Israel. It pledges supports for a "one state solution" for Israel and the Palestinians. However, by the phrase "one state solution" (it) does not mean a secular state (see: Binational solution), rather, (it) aims for a state where Palestinians and Israelis, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, live together under the caliphate system with statutory Islamic law.[48]

So Al Qaeda would become prejudiced against black people if Obama were the U.S. president? There might be some small time Islamofascist groups who talk like the American terrorist group the KKK, but I never heard of them until you brought them up. I don't think it's a big issue. The major groups hate all Americans equally and think women should be submissive to men.

ANY Islamofascist group would use any excuse they can to promote their idea of "The Great Satan" of America. If they have the groundwork...

That's my point. They don't actually believe it.
They don't actually believe in anti-black (or at least not at the start - after a while that'll become a proper belief. Do you think that would be good?) it's a means to and end, as simple as that. Another excuse.

Now, here's another point that's just as important: Do you really, really think it's a good thing that a major part of the most important decision of the most important country in the wotld is based on whether or not terrorists will approve? People are talking so casually about how she shouldn't run because of terror (not you. Real people talking ) and they don't realise how sick that is. Talk about oppression, not being influenced and standing up to terrorism!

Originally Posted by The Fishy

ANY Islamofascist group would use any excuse they can to promote their idea of "The Great Satan" of America. If they have the groundwork...

That's my point. They don't actually believe it.
They don't actually believe in anti-black (or at least not at the start - after a while that'll become a proper belief. Do you think that would be good?) it's a means to and end, as simple as that. Another excuse.

Now, here's another point that's just as important: Do you really, really think it's a good thing that a major part of the most important decision of the most important country in the wotld is based on whether or not terrorists will approve? People are talking so casually about how she shouldn't run because of terror (not you. Real people talking ) and they don't realise how sick that is. Talk about oppression, not being influenced and standing up to terrorism!

It is not about getting approval. Approval has nothing to do with anything. It is about not showing signs of weakness. To them, a crying woman for a leader is a sign of weakness. If you don't believe me, read what the Koran says about women and read about women's rights, or lack of rights, in the Middle East. They believe that women are pathetic. The really do.

What women were forced to look like in public in Afghanistan before the U.S. and allies overthrew the Taliban:

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It is not about getting approval. Approval has nothing to do with anything. It is about not showing signs of weakness. To them, a crying woman for a leader is a sign of weakness. If you don't believe me, read what the Koran says about women and read about women's rights, or lack of rights, in the Middle East. They believe that women are pathetic. The really do.

Forgive me. When I saId "approval" I meant that it was being based on what they'll think.

As for the women -


I'm not disputing that, but the fact is that they'll do everything they can to make America look bad, with any candidate. They'll find an excuse. Obama will seem like a sign of weakness after any group uses groundwork they already have to make blacks seem worthless.

Important points BELOW

If we have a woman President, they'll say: Look! Those infidels have an inferior woman as leader! America is evil!

If we have a black President, they'll use prejudices they already have, albeit in a minor degree, about blacks and convince their followers that having a black President is a sign of weakness and devilment. Ending up as: Look! Those infidels have an inferior black guy as leader! America is evil!

What they believe now is not the issue. They'll use what they have for propaganda. It won't become as widespread as woman-hgating, not nearly as bad as that - I hope - but it'll give them another card to play.

Important Points ABOVE

They will use anything they can to make any candidate look bad (while I agree they'll hate a woman President). Hillary and Obama are the easiest examples though.