Thread: Proof of Apollo 11 Fraud Lunar Landing

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I predict that a lot of skaterboy mallrats with self-appointed degrees in lunar physics are going to erupt with some agressive talk in this thread. I have relatives who work for NASA, and I am very tempted to email them a link to this thread just so they can watch a bunch of amateur lunar physics super-experts try to sound like they know stuff. I would be shocked if they get interested enough to even comment in this thread. I can assure you that there are tons of people out there who would be going off about this with proof and not just fuzzy bits of one eyebrow raising circumstantial evidence if the moon landing was really a fake.

Man...no offense, but you're jumping the gun a bit on the condescending rhetoric aren't you, UM?

I know how you feel about stuff like this, and that's fair enough, but do you actually have anything about the content of the video, itself, to comment on?

Umm... usually with the whole 'fake Apollo' landings thing... I've always find everyone misses out a key piece of evidence. There's a laser reflector on the moon which was installed by one of the Apollo missions, maybe not 11 but I think one of the later ones, but I'm fuzzy on the details... due to the way the mirrors have to be installed in order to get the reflector to be able to send back laser pulses straight back from where they came, it required assembly on the moon, something that could only be achieved during the Apollo missions. An astronomer with access to a powerful enough laser as well, will be able to observe the pulses bouncing back around a second after being emitted (as it takes about a second or so for light to reach the surface of the moon from the Earth and come back), as long as you can point the laser accurately enough to the moon.

Correct me if I'm wrong on a couple of details, but as far as this conspiracy goes, it always fails to explain the presence of that laser reflector on the moon.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Umm... usually with the whole 'fake Apollo' landings thing... I've always find everyone misses out a key piece of evidence. There's a laser reflector on the moon which was installed by one of the Apollo missions, maybe not 11 but I think one of the later ones, but I'm fuzzy on the details... due to the way the mirrors have to be installed in order to get the reflector to be able to send back laser pulses straight back from where they came, it required assembly on the moon, something that could only be achieved during the Apollo missions. An astronomer with access to a powerful enough laser as well, will be able to observe the pulses bouncing back around a second after being emitted (as it takes about a second or so for light to reach the surface of the moon from the Earth and come back), as long as you can point the laser accurately enough to the moon.

Correct me if I'm wrong on a couple of details, but as far as this conspiracy goes, it always fails to explain the presence of that laser reflector on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_l...ing_experiment

Didn`t see the video yet...

Thanks for that link... so yeah, multiple missions, including Apollo 11, placed down laser retroreflectors....

So yeah... there's the definitive proof.

It was an interesting view, but the narrator sure did cram her interpretation down the viewer's throught. It is right for a reporter to question or offer a possible conclusion/interpretation, but unless it is completely clear, please don't try to present the case as conclusive.

So far as the windowed view of Earth goes, who says they were trying to decieve? Looks like maybe they just had a hard time getting a good image, so they turned off the lighting, shuttered the other window, and got the best image they could. Unless someone can demonstrate clearly the expected size of the image vs. the actual size using some simple math, it's just not very convincing.

Originally Posted by UM

It looks like you are jumping to conclusions and perhaps did not read my whole post.

I said that after I saw the video, not before.

*sigh* UM, I know you know what I'm talking about. I was asking your opinion on some of the content in the video specifically. Some of the points made in the video? Anything? Any specific parts of it? (You know...the sort of response that you gave skysaw, just now??) Not rhetoric that could be used to denounce any video, without even looking at it.

The flag issue wasn't even brought up in this video, unless I just completely missed it, and that was the only thing you actually talked about, in detail.

But, now that skysaw got his reply, I got what I was asking for in the first place, so forget I said anything.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It's a bunch of shaky circumstantial talk. A lot of conclusion leaping is involved in it.

(See above)

[Edit by Oneironaut: SHIT!!! I hit EDIT instead of QUOTE!!!! SORRY, UM!!!! I will see if admin has it logged!]

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Thanks for that link... so yeah, multiple missions, including Apollo 11, placed down laser retroreflectors....

So yeah... there's the definitive proof.

Thanks for that. I've heard forever that the moon landing was fake, and when I see stuff like that video I start believing it. I hadn't heard of the laser reflectors.

Thanks O'nus for posting that video. Glad we got that cleared up.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Man...no offense, but you're jumping the gun a bit on the condescending rhetoric aren't you, UM?

That's pretty condescending, Oneironaut. No offense. I was making a prediction and not talking about what has already happened, and you know that was warranted considering what has happened in such threads in the past.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I know how you feel about stuff like this, and that's fair enough, but do you actually have anything about the content of the video, itself, to comment on?

Yes. It's in the post you commented on.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That's pretty condescending, Oneironaut. No offense.

Though you know it was warranted, given what you'd said in your post that had just passed.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes. It's in the post you commented on.

Ah. How quickly I'd forgotten. Thanks for the reminder.

(Why do I even try? )

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Though you know it was warranted, given what you'd said in your post that had just passed.

No, but a counterargument might have been worth something.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ah. How quickly I'd forgotten. Thanks for the reminder.

(Why do I even try? )

You tried?


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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, but a counterargument might have been worth something.

Well, I simply thought it was bad form, automatically dismissing the views of a bunch of people who haven't even opined, yet, simply because of their backgrounds (or lack thereof) without even hearing what it was they had to say about it. Non-professionals do, often, have the ability to make very valid points about many different subjects. I'm just the type that at least like to give them their chance, without writing them off before they even get a chance to speak, and I guess I was just disappointed that you wouldn't be willing to do the same. But we're already detracting from what this thread is about, so forget I even said anything, so I we don't go off on some unnecessary tangent any further than we need to.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You tried?

To try to gain some sort of perspective by getting your honest opinion about the content in the video? Yeah. I thought that would have been apparent when I asked for it.

Howie (and all skeptics), would you mind commenting on the laser rangefinders? Everyone`s ignored it.
Oh and also, during the space race, NASA was willing to take bigger risks (both human and financial) to ensure that they would be the first to arrive on the Moon. Since americans have already "made their point", there really is no reason for them to have anymore manned missions there. Also regarding safety records, out of 12 maned Apollo missions, 2 ended in catastrophic failure. Out of 120 space shuttle missions, 2 also ended in catastrophic failure. I would say the record improved dramatically...

If you read my post I have chosen no side. Some relevant questions I had were addressed by solsky. Which the only part of my post he didn't quote would have made that more clear.
I later go on to post more on resolution and also counter arguments... but what ever.

I don't know enough to comment on laser rangefinders.

The United States I think would stop at almost nothing for reasons O'nus posted. We had to make it clear we were in control. That would be why i think.

I have witnessed that members do not come here to read other's comments. They come in here on the defensive to whichever side
they know to be true.

except O'nus

Originally Posted by Howie

If you read my post I have chosen no side. Some relevant questions I had were addressed by solsky. Which the only part of my post he didn't quote would have made that more clear.
I later go on to post more on resolution and also counter arguments... but what ever.

I don't know enough to comment on laser rangefinders.

The United States I think would stop at almost nothing for reasons O'nus posted. We had to make it clear we were in control. That would be why i think.

I have witnessed that members do not come here to read other's comments. They come in here on the defensive to whichever side
they know to be true.

except O'nus

I didn't mean to sound aggressive or anything, skeptic really just means one who has doubts, which you expressed. It's also pretty obvious that whenever someone goes against anything mainstream with questionable arguments, people will get defensive. That's just the nature of conspiracy theories.