Thread: Torture

Nations don't torture anyone. Individuals torture other individuals. Don't act like George Bush signed a piece of paper giving his concent to torture EPWs.

You know, US Special Forces go through a Survival-Evasion-Resistance-Escape course in which they are tortured, in worse ways than these torture victims were treated.

I must reiterate how much I don't care about the sleep deprivation and strict food regulation these terrorists endured.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

Don't act like George Bush signed a piece of paper giving his concent to torture EPWs.

How sure are you about that?

Consider the following:

Originally Posted by Article 3 of the Third Geneva Convention

Article 3 describes minimal protections which must be adhered to by all individuals within a signatory's territory during an armed conflict not of an international character (regardless of citizenship or lack thereof): Noncombatants, combatants who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, including prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment. The passing of sentences must also be pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. Article 3's protections exist even if one is not classified as a prisoner of war. Article 3 also states that parties to the internal conflict should endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of GCIII.

Originally Posted by Section 948b of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (signed by George Bush)

(g) Geneva Conventions Not Establishing Source of Rights— No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.

Looks pretty clear, to me.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

You know, US Special Forces go through a Survival-Evasion-Resistance-Escape course in which they are tortured, in worse ways than these torture victims were treated.

There is a difference between voluntary torture, and unlawful torture.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I must reiterate how much I don't care about the sleep deprivation and strict food regulation these terrorists endured.

Not that I have sympathy for those guilty of their alleged crimes, but at least don't try to downplay the case as if those were the only two methods documented as being used.

Fair enough. I did belittle the seriousness of the issue at hand.