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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      Who would do all the work if everybody wanted an intellectually stimulating job?
      The people who don't push themselves hard enough... I'm not sure what you're saying here though. I thought you were saying it's a bad thing for grueling manual labor?

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      Not everybody wants to be a scientist and in the old system they didn't need to be to be treated as equals to everybody else.
      First you hate how workers are "slaves", and now you're complaining how I'm not accepting their individuality by not conforming to the system. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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      Sorry to disappoint you both but I don't have any better system in mind since I am quite ignorant in the subject of politics. Bash me all you want and call me indoctrinated but the current system is unacceptable. What would be the driving force in socialism? Well currently the driving force is to not live like crap and die in the winter, can it get any worse?
      The idea of socialism (according to Karl Marx) is to eventually progress into communism, which I don't think I need to tell you why it's bad...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      Sorry to disappoint you both but I don't have any better system in mind since I am quite ignorant in the subject of politics. Bash me all you want and call me indoctrinated but the current system is unacceptable. What would be the driving force in socialism? Well currently the driving force is to not live like crap and die in the winter, can it get any worse?
      Yes, it could get far worse. Socialism, communism, theocracy, and all other forms of totalitarianism would all make things way worse.
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      I don't see how plea bargains effect the cost difference; as they exist in non-capitol cases as well. The only argument I could see holding any water involving plea bargains is that with the death penalty as a possibility, they can plea to the lesser charge of life in prison without parole, whereas without the death penalty, the only option is to give them a plea that would allow them to go free eventually.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      I don't see how plea bargains effect the cost difference; as they exist in non-capitol cases as well. The only argument I could see holding any water involving plea bargains is that with the death penalty as a possibility, they can plea to the lesser charge of life in prison without parole, whereas without the death penalty, the only option is to give them a plea that would allow them to go free eventually.
      The fear of death is much stronger than the fear of a longer than otherwise prison sentence.

      Is cost your only issue with capital punishment?
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      Cost is the only reason why I would be for the death penalty. If it alleviated pressure on an over taxed prison system and lowered the spending of tax payer money, I might see some merit to it; but it doesn't, and in fact only makes these matters worse however minimal you may think the increase is.

      There really aren't any other possible up sides for it as far as I'm concerned. No matter what superficial emotional gain the victim's families think they might glean from seeing their loved one's murderer be put to death, it really won't help them and will just hurt more people.

      I heard yesterday that the united states has more people in prison than any other country in the world. I think the problems with our legal system are far reaching enough that killing off less than a hundred inmates a year is not going to make difference for the better in any case.

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