We are already fighting Iranians in Iraq, and they are being funded by the Iranian government. If it comes down to extreme necessity, we will invade Iran and overthrow their government. What is China going to do about it? Commit suicide? |
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We all know about the controversies with Irans nuclear program. Atleast i hope you know about it, if you don't you can stop reading this right now |
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We are already fighting Iranians in Iraq, and they are being funded by the Iranian government. If it comes down to extreme necessity, we will invade Iran and overthrow their government. What is China going to do about it? Commit suicide? |
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From what I've read (some articles from Seymour Hersh), the primary reason that the US will not attack Iran is that the SecDef, Robert Gates, has been winning a behind-the-scenes turf battle with the Vice President, who has been gunning for war among top officials in the Pentagon (who, presumably, inform the president and congress that war is/is not necessary). |
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UN Inspector Scott Ritter: Only Fools Would Nuke Iran(2.5 minute video) |
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I definitely don't think we need to nuke Iran, but we might end up having to invade them. Then what? Is China going to invade us? Hell no. We have enough nukes to blow up the entire world dozens of times over, and we have an armed citizenry. That means our country is one big military. |
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Relying on effectively an untrained militia? Whilst numbers might be impressive, in reality, it'll mean shit. A professional soldier is far superior in terms of ability (even the common grunts), so that 'militia' comment doesn't really hold. |
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Well, no shit, the US isn't going to invade Iran. They're already fighting two fronts and their economy won't be able to handle another blow. They'll deal with the problem in more discreet ways, most likely. Cue conspiracy: Divide and conquer. They'll split the population and spark a civil war. They did it with the Black Panthers. They did it with the Sunnis and Shiate in Iraq. And they could do it again. If you can't deal with the problem from without, deal with in from within. Either that, or they'll use one of the older divisions and get a few Middle Eastern countries to do it. |
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Now we all know a strike against Iran is inevitable, it's just a matter of when? Iran is at the top of the (U.S. "Bad Countries" List). So a military operation in Iran is rather probable. First of all the Iraq war and Iran Tensions cross-over one another with ease. It's been revealed that al-Qaida leaders might be hiding somewhere in Iran and guess what? Tehran did not deny this. There are two justifications for an invasion to take place, supporting terrorist and the development of weapons of mass destruction. These two justifications were enough for the U.S. to invade Iraq, and it did not matter that they eventually turned out to be fake. It does not look like anyone over at the Bush's administration will try to find a good basis this time. One is left to hope the present pressure on Iran will remain only psychological. However, previous events in Iraq have proven that Washington prefers to shoot first and if thats the way it goes down then so be it. |
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Attacking Iran would be stupid and I think our government wants to do. I think the pressure is getting to the people higher up though. Invading Iran at the moment is just going to crash our economy. |
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So? The US is on almost everyone's "bad country" list. I've seen polls from foreign nations, bush is almost invariably the #2 worst terrorist, behind osoma bin laden and in front of kim jong il, it doesn't make an attack inevitable |
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Something that is scary about China is how they seem to think and act as if they are in a cold war with us right now, but we don't seem to realize it. Our economies are interlocked, each depending on the other. I don't know if that is good or bad as far as aggression is concerned. |
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Neither the US or China could ever invade each other. China has way to many people. You really don't want to get into a war where they send 2 or 3 million troops at you. The US is just to big. At best you can invade a few states but your not going to get that far. |
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The issue is more complicated then if they get in you're way you nuke them. |
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Last edited by dragonoverlord; 02-17-2008 at 10:08 PM.
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I agree, i dont see how the USA could invade Iran a country the size of alaska without re instating the draft and suffering serious blows to the economy ontop of the that it is unlikely they would get support from Britain, who have began pulling back soldiers from Iraq. It looks like if they do invade which is unlikely they will be going solo but who knows poland may throw in a couple hundred soldiers. |
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Last edited by dragonoverlord; 02-17-2008 at 10:07 PM.
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It does hold. Of course a trained military is much more skillful than citizens with guns. I am saying we have a nation of citizens with guns IN ADDITION to the best military in the world IN ADDITION to the ability to blow up the world dozens of times over. China will never invade us. |
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That is still quite the optimistic view on the whole thing. Your best military in the world claim may be so, BUT, a mass of armed citizens is no match for a potential large Chinese Army. China does also have plenty of aircraft, armour, etc, which would lay waste to any militia. Therefore, a militia, at best, would only manage to create small pockets of resistance in the face of a Chinese invasion. |
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The armed citizenry would make a very good addition. When the Chinese military tries to go into houses, they get shot. They would have a whole lot of extra bullets coming at them every time they go into populated areas. It would add a whole new dimension to the situation. 200 and whatever million people with guns would not be a cake walk for any military, especially when they are preoccupied with fighting the U.S. military and all of our allies. I don't think the U.S. citizenry would be able to come close to defeating the Chinese military by themselves, but they would add a great deal more trouble to the Chinese military's efforts against our military and allies. More than 200 million pissed off people with guns would be a an enormous problem for any military, and I am only talking about a bonus. |
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Besides by the time China invades all the militia memebers in the US will be in jail for terrorism. Militia's are practically illegal in this country. |
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Militias are legal under the right to assemble in the Bill of Rights. They are also mentioned in the Second Amendment as a justification. Also, nobody would go to jail for shooting at Chinese soldiers if they came here and tried to take over. |
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Unfortunately, whats legal under the bill of rights, isn't always the same as whats legal. Our government violates peoples rights all the time. |
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Im not suggesting China would try to invade you, actually thats the last thing i think china would do. Im not sure what china would if the USA nuked or bombed Iran,Its hard to guess but i don't think the USA will bomb or invade iran in the first place because a chinese military base inside its territory would be a deterent enough for america plus the fact that economically/financially america needs China. HOw much money do you guys own china again? 9 trillion dollars? |
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If we invade Iran, it will most likely not happen in the way we invaded Iraq. It would probably involve a bombing of key military and other government sites. We would definitely bomb a nuke facility if they ever get one going. If we have to move in and take over, I'm sure we will tell China ahead of time and leave their base alone if they ever have a base there. |
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China is not the only part of the picture, of course. Virtually every industrialized nation would be affected negatively by the economic fallout. Trade sanctions would be the most likely, and, I'd imagine, most effective, retaliation. Japan could be an even more worrisome economic adversary than China, though, since Japan holds ~$800 billion in US debt. |
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That is still the optimistic claim. You'd have to assume whole families are willing to risk their lives in order to shoot some Chinese soldiers. At most, it'll be people evacuating to safer areas, using the weapons they have as a means of defense, as opposed to acting as a resistance force. The percentage that would stick around to shoot would only be a small part of that 200 million, which is why I said that at best, they would only create small pockets of resistance. |
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- Xei
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We have 300 million people living in the country. I said 200 and whatever million just to take into account that some people would not fight. An invasion would have most of the country fighting, I am pretty sure. That is how Americans think. A lot of people would retreat and have weapons as a means of defense, but they would shoot as soon as they saw the Chinese soldiers, which probably would happen on their way to whatever places they think are retreats. But more importantly, our military would drive the Chinese out in a hurry. The point is that China knows better than to invade us. |
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