What's the dealio with GOP candidate Ron Paul?

[Cyclic13]

What do you all think of him? I'm must admit, I'm completely out of touch with America since I've been living in Japan these past few years. I recently stumbled across a few of his videos for the presidential debates and I must say I'm pretty impressed. He seems like a steady contender He seems to be giving a lot of these Rupert Murdoch mass media machines like FOX news a run for their money. The bias floating around these mass media giants seems frightenly sickening when they were interviewing him. They also conveniently edit out clips, and try and twist and spin his words to make him look horrible when it doesn't seem at all the case. My god, I can't believe how biased this coverage is. Who ever said mass media provides us with only the facts and have nothing to gain? HA!? Take a look and judge for yourself... Ron Paul Courageously Speaks the Truth Post GOP Debate coverage "Fox News Style" - Ron Paul FoxNews Hit Piece Ron Paul, Alex Jones and 911 Truth May 16 Ron Paul on Fox News 3/21/2007 Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming Ron Paul Interview On FOX News (June 16, 2007) Ron Paul Most-Demanded GOP Presidential Candidate Ron Paul wins CNN Poll for 3rd GOP Debate CNN Censorship of Ron Paul support (video proof) Ron Paul on Colbert Report 6/13/07 Ron Paul 0wnz the Federal Reserve So what's the deal with this back in the states? Are people actually talking about this? It seems to me as an outsider that the mass media has their own interests in other candidates like Giuliani and aren't giving proper unbiased coverage of what this man has to say. I must say, a lot of what he is saying should ring pretty true to anyone with half a brain. Whaddya think?

[ThePhobiaViewed]

I had heard the name before and now after watching all these videos I think he would be a good candidate. I will be old even to vote in the next election and I would definately vote for him if he is the candidate. I didn't like when Giuliani made that remark about 9/11 in that debate because what Ron Paul said was essentially correct. Whether or not we like it, the reason the terrorists attack us is because they don't like us because we interfere with their countries. Giuliani came to my schools baccalaureate this past year to speak (my high school is the one where students died in Flight 800) and it ws supposed to not be political (yeah right), and I wasn't too impressed by him. My brother got a picture with him though so that was cool. I like how in the Hannity and Colmes clip how they keep saying its a fluke that Paul was leading, like it was some conspiracy where everyone is voting for him to be funny. I think he has a legit shot and the only reason he wouldn't is because he's not as known as people like Romney, McCain and Giuliani.

[Alric]

If you go on the internet ron paul is by far the most popular person out there. A lot of the mass media kind of just ignores him though. So its hard to judge how well he is doing, since on the internet you will do a poll and ron paul will get like 80%+ of the votes for him but then you watch the news on tv and he won't even be on the poll. Personally I have never seen him in a bad interview. He really knows his stuff and it shows. His biggest problem is a lot of republicans don't like him since he is a classic conservative instead of a neocon.

[Universal Mind]

That guy is a joke. I watched the debate where Giuliani spanked his ass repeatedly. I'm glad that guy isn't going to win the election.

[Half/Dreaming]

I'm glad that guy isn't going to win the election. Who, Giuliani?

[Universal Mind]

Who, Giuliani? Dammit, I committed a reference ambiguity. I am glad the joke, Ron Paul, isn't going to win the election. I hope Giuliani does win.

[Half/Dreaming]

Dammit, I committed a reference ambiguity. I am glad the joke, Ron Paul, isn't going to win the election. I hope Giuliani does win. Hell yea, dude I like Giuliani. Apparently he is leading the Republican in terms of campaign funds. He's more of a moderate, anyway. He has the foreign policy ideals of a Republican with some of the civil liberty ideals of Democrats. He should lead the Libertarian party.

[Universal Mind]

He has the foreign policy ideals of a Republican with some of the civil liberty ideals of Democrats. That's what I'm looking for.

[Half/Dreaming]

That's what I'm looking for. Frankly, I'll be happy with anyone who won't withdraw us from Iraq and Afghanistan. Since that is the pivot issue, any Democrat will have to deliver upon the promise of withdrawing to get elected.

[Cyclic13]

I kind of expected you two to say the normal idiocy of someone trying to impose their narrow version of freedom through the barrel of a gun. HELLO!? Don't you realize that's SO FAR from anything that can even remotely be called freedom it's beyond laughable?! If this is how most americans think now then I truly feel sorry for you guys. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! And, you fools actually wonder why every country hates us? I'll let you in on a little secret: It's definitely NOT because we are rich, as we are so far in debt it's staggering. It's also NOT because we have the most attractive people since america is known as the fattest country in the world. Also, it's NOT because we are as smart as we think we are, either. Education has long since waned and put us far far behind a great many other countries. Basically, america is now responsible for creating fat dumbed down mindless consumers that are closer to cattle now than people. People that just veg out mindlessly in front of a box, stuffing their pie holes with obscenely large sized portions of greasy empty calories while being told exactly what to think. And if by some minuscule chance you happened to manage to slip through the cracks of this system, and have an opinion enough to disagree with that system you are viewed of as 'unpatriotic' by the herd... What exactly are we left with to be so proud of then? Not a damn thing. Get your heads out of your ass before it's too late. The american dream is dying fast, and those that are too stupid to see that are trying desperately to pin the blame and climb the walls to avoid accepting fault or hitting the bottom with any kind of grace. As they always say, ...Pride cometh before the fall.

[Universal Mind]

I kind of expected you two to say the normal idiocy of a someone trying to impose their version of freedom through the barrel of a gun. HELLO!? Don't you realize that's SO FAR from anything that can even remotely be called freedom it's beyond laughable?! If this is how most americans think now then I truly feel sorry for you guys. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! And, you fools actually wonder why every country hates us? I'll let you in on a little secret: It's definitely NOT because we are rich, as we are so far in debt it's staggering. It's also NOT because we have the most attractive people since america is known as the fattest country in the world. Also, it's NOT because we are as smart as we think we are, either. Education has long since waned and put us far far behind a great many other countries. Basically, america is now responsible for creating fat dumbed down mindless consumers that are closer to cattle now than people. People that just veg out mindlessly in front of a box, stuffing their pie holes with obscenely sized portions of greasy empty calories while being told exactly what to think. And if by some minuscule chance you happened to manage to slip through this system, and have an opinion enough to disagree with that system you are viewed of as 'unpatriotic' by the herd... What exactly are we left with to be so proud of then? Not a damn thing. Get your heads out of your ass before it's too late. The american dream is dying and those that are too stupid to see that are trying desperately to pin the blame and climb the walls to avoid accepting fault or hitting the bottom with any kind of grace. As they always say, ...Pride cometh before the fall. Are you really a person and not a left wing nut blog site robot? You also sound like you might be a fifteen year old run away who just watched the news for the first time and thinks he's cool because he can insult grown ups and call the government stupid. And as always, your post is full of personal insults, yet it lacks substance. Why do you want to act so snobby and shitty after I was so polite, considering the circumstances, after I tore you to shreds after you ran your mouth about how retarded I supposedly am for not baaaahing like a sheep in agreement with your hysterical claim that Al Qaeda does not exist? I had you pinned in a corner with counterarguments and detailed facts and logic, and all you could do was throw out your usual hollow personal insults. So you want to act like an ass again and have round 2? Let's go. First of all, what in the Hell does your post have to do with the thread topic? We were talking about that dipshit imitation of a Republican running for president. So we go from that to my talk with Half/Dreaming about how Giuliani is a better candidate and even the best candidtate and why and then onto your post about how Americans suck. I'm not sure how we got there, but let's go off on that tangent together so you don't have to do it alone. To say the world hates us is to generalize. Many people in the world do hate us, but many do not. Why do so many people in the world hate us? It's for many reasons. Some are brainwashed by their non-capitalist news companies that have agendas other than profit and therefore have no reason not to lie. Some of those news companies are government controlled and told to lie. Some people don't understand our foreign policy because it's more complex than what a lot of people are able to swallow, so they go, "Oooh, war and overthrow... Bad! Bad!" Many are brainwashed Islamofascist fanatics and are brainwashed from birth to hate us. A lot of people are spoiled, ungrateful brats who actually resent us because we protect them and in many cases have even saved from take over. With people of low morality, jealousy is often a much more powerful emotion than appreciation. Many people despise capitalism because they either don't understand it or despise extreme success because that is what many people do when they think they are not capable of achieving it themselves. So many are very hatefully jealous of our success, as people often are over the best school in a state. But you say we are not great, and you list reasons for doubting the worldwide belief that we are. Your areas of disagreement regard our wealth, attractiveness, and intelligence. I'll talk about each of those with a precise counterargument to your claims. Wealth-- Our government is in debt. Debt is part of business. But that does not mean that our citizens themselves are poor. We have the richest population in the world. That is a result of our capitalist system which produces the world's greatest business success. The freedom that allows for our level of capitalism was won with the barrels of many guns. That is a fact. Please make me laugh by trying to deny it. Attractiveness-- We are, on average, the fattest country in the world. That results from the fact that we are the richest country in the world. However, we still have many millions of people who are not fat, and within that pool, we have what the world generally views as the most attractive models and actors/actresses in the world. Intelligence-- We do have a stupid trash element that screws up the averages on our education statistics. However, outside of that element, we have the pool of people which includes the most inventive, educated, and advanced thinkers on Earth. That is why we lead the world in business and technology and, and even within the pool of uneducated people, we have had many of the greatest artists and artistic pioneers. I still don't know why you decided to go off on that tangent instead of defending your guy, but there's my counterargument to it. You didn't seem to understand on-point debate in the Al Qaeda thread, but if you do now, please demonstrate it here. Just remember that while you struggle, my sympathy is right there with you. By the way, if you will quit making such shitty comments about my country, I will stop taking up for it. I would love for the rest of the world to adopt our system so those who hate us will start being proud of their countries and not feel the need to vent any venom.

[archdreamer]

His platform seems pretty reasonable, mainly because of his libertarian leanings, but he's anti-choice on abortion, which is unacceptable.

[syzygy]

That guy is a joke. I watched the debate where Giuliani spanked his ass repeatedly. You are kidding, right? For the hope of free-thinking, please tell me you are kidding. Hell yea, dude I like Giuliani. Apparently he is leading the Republican in terms of campaign funds. He's more of a moderate, anyway. He has the foreign policy ideals of a Republican with some of the civil liberty ideals of Democrats. He should lead the Libertarian party. If you want a Libertarian, Ron Paul is your man. In fact, he ran as a Libertarian in '88. The problem with Paul running for the Republican party, is that he is an actual Republican, whereas the party has turned into a Neocon platform. Just think about the difference between Abraham Lincoln and George W. Bush...wow. If you want someone who has deep-rooted Constitutional principles and a near flawless record defending them: Ron Paul. Are you really a person and not a left wing nut blog site robot? You also sound like you might be a fifteen year old run away who just watched the news for the first time and thinks he's cool because he can insult grown ups and call the government stupid. And as always, your post is full of personal insults, yet it lacks substance. Anyone else find this ironic? Some people don't understand our foreign policy because it's more complex than what a lot of people are able to swallow, so they go, "Oooh, war and overthrow... Bad! Bad!" You think people are opposed to the Iraq war because they don't understand the complexity of our foreign policy? I thought it was because our current government was too dense to understand the complexity and irrationality of Middle East politics which got us into a war with no end in sight. This government had a plan to invade Iraq before 9/11 and then fed off of the country's emotions in an extremely traumatic time, coupled with questionable information made to "fit" the plan, to go to war. They thought it was going to be easy because they didn't understand the situation. Anyone who truly understands the complexity of foreign policy would not invade a country unrelated to an attack on our country in such a hurry. Its messed up there and we have only added to the mess, for what? What have we gained? Because I can tell you what we've lost.

[Cyclic13]

I don't know enough about Ron Paul to sit here and defend him, which is why I initially asked about him, not Giuliani... so you guys already started taking things off-topic. He was clearly NOT slapped, anyone that watches the entire biased clip would see that. You must be the stupid americans that actually think FOX news tells the unbiased truth. I must say, I'm not surprised. A lot of what Ron Paul mentions about the deficit, the inflation rate, the federal reserve, the economy, and the war seem to ring really true to what I have read as FACTS, and so his continued stance on these issues sparked my interest in him. Unfortunately, reality hurts for most to hear it seems. Quickly, since you seemed to miss Alric and Ynot's posts in the other thread regarding our half-assed economy that you are so proud to boast about, here they are again... I started to write my own explanation, but this pretty much sums it up http://www.petrodollar.info/indexp1.html There's a whole historic background to this, from the early 1900's, though World War One and the abolishment of the Gold Standard, through the 1930's American depression to the rise of Europe as a rival super-power during the 1960's, etc. etc., but the above gives a fairly good overview Its a fact that the US debt is at nearly 9 trillion dollars. An amount we can not pay. If tomorrow the government took everything ever person in the US owned and sold it, it still wouldn't be enough to pay off what we owe. The US is basicly bankrupt and our money is worthless. Now what Ynot is saying is this. Even though our money is basicly an IOU with no real value, people still need it in order to buy oil, and as long as they need it there is some value to it. Now if for some reason you no longer need the money to buy oil, there is no value left in it. Its just a piece of paper, worth about as much as monopoly money. About the stereotypes- not all americans are those things I mentioned, but surely enough to become a stereotype worth mentioning. After residing in another country for the past three years where the people don't spend countless hours eating themselves into oblivion, the FIRST thing I always notice when returning home to america is that everyone is ridiculously large and lined up like cows to the slaughter outside the fast food joints. Of course not everyone, but enough to make me shake my head in amazement at the sheer scale of size difference between the two countries' general populous. There was a nice three-part documentary called "Americana" with each episode aptly titled, Fat, Dumb, and Rich- debunking all those claims about most americans. I can't seem to find the videos available on google but, let's be honest, you wouldn't have watched them, anyway. You are a 35 year old child that thinks they have the world all figured out by watching FOX news, and CNN. You think that sticking guns into people's lives based off of lies and empty suspicions that never panned out in order to subvert goverments and offer up your twisted version of freedom is, 'righteous' thinking, when it's actually more along the lines of 'dangerous' thinking...to ANY true objective thinker. Aggression is never an answer to anything...which america's paranoid policies are slowly all drifting towards.

[Half/Dreaming]

Solskye, if you want Team America check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnS0Lxslbs4 Which category do you think you fall under? I believe Guiliani is the best candidate because of his stiff stance on foreign policy. I like him because he's not overly religious, and believes a woman has a right to choose. He is by far the best hybrid candidate running for 2008. I would like us to continue winning the war against terrorists, and gain some civil liberties. We need a moderate, and any of these ass-hat Democrats like Hillary get elected, we are going to have major problems.

[Alric]

Your comment on how the US government is in debt but the people are rich, only shows how little you know about our economy. The government issues all our money. If your holding a dollar bill, its based on what the government owns, which is nothing, since they are 9 trillion in debt. People who don't understand the federal reserve, inflation or how the US debt effects their money has no business talking about economy. Its a fact that we are in massive amounts of debt, there is no arguing this. Ron paul is for smaller government. He is against foreign military actions, hes for cutting back the amount of foreign aid we send to countries all around the world. He is for trading with everyone. Hes for closing the borders. Hes for moving our money back to a gold system. And with all the money he will saves by ending the foreign aid and wars, he wants to get rid of income tax! He wants to get rid of social security! How can you not love him? Hell he has my vote for just wanting to move our money to the gold system and getting rid of income tax, everything else is just a bonus. Heck hes the only one willing to discuss any of the real issues in the US. You never seen Guiliani talk about the federal reserve? None of the other people will ever talk about our economy or our debt.

[Half/Dreaming]

Your comment on how the US government is in debt but the people are rich, only shows how little you know about our economy. The government issues all our money. If your holding a dollar bill, its based on what the government owns, which is nothing, since they are 9 trillion in debt. People who don't understand the federal reserve, inflation or how the US debt effects their money has no business talking about economy. Its a fact that we are in massive amounts of debt, there is no arguing this. Ron paul is for smaller government. He is against foreign military actions, hes for cutting back the amount of foreign aid we send to countries all around the world. He is for trading with everyone. Hes for closing the borders. Hes for moving our money back to a gold system. And with all the money he will saves by ending the foreign aid and wars, he wants to get rid of income tax! He wants to get rid of social security! How can you not love him? Hell he has my vote for just wanting to move our money to the gold system and getting rid of income tax, everything else is just a bonus. Heck hes the only one willing to discuss any of the real issues in the US. You never seen Guiliani talk about the federal reserve? None of the other people will ever talk about our economy or our debt. No one president can switch us back to the gold reserves. That is no reason to vote for any candidate for that sole reason.

[Universal Mind]

You are kidding, right? For the hope of free-thinking, please tell me you are kidding. Perhaps thinking freely would help you actually debate my point. Ron Paul got slammed by Giuliani on several flat out false statements Paul made. Paul stated the usual sheepish falsehoods about the Iraq war, and he got stumped by Giuliani, so he side-stepped. I will find the video if you would like me to. Anyone else find this ironic? Please make an actual argument so I can be fooled into thinking your supposed view might have some substance. You think people are opposed to the Iraq war because they don't understand the complexity of our foreign policy? Read more carefully so you can see that I listed that as just one of the explanations for why a lot of people hate the United States. I stand by that point. It IS one of the reasons. I thought it was because our current government was too dense to understand the complexity and irrationality of Middle East politics which got us into a war with no end in sight. This government had a plan to invade Iraq before 9/11 and then fed off of the country's emotions in an extremely traumatic time, coupled with questionable information made to "fit" the plan, to go to war. They thought it was going to be easy because they didn't understand the situation. Anyone who truly understands the complexity of foreign policy would not invade a country unrelated to an attack on our country in such a hurry. Its messed up there and we have only added to the mess, for what? What have we gained? Because I can tell you what we've lost. The Iraq war has been about many things. The most important stated objective was to take down an international terrorist government which has used WMD's in terrorist attacks and was our bitter enemy and that had violated our ceasefire on several terrorism grounds for 12 years and was reported by six governments and the U.N. to have stockpiles of WMD's. We went out to take that government down, and we successfully erased them from existence. We did it. Also, we wanted to plant a democracy in the heart of the Middle East because with democracy comes capitalism, with capitalism comes wealth, and usually with wealth comes the lack of will to be a suicide bomber. We accomplished that too, but we are of course in a transition phase right now. We are trying to get the new government to learn to fly without us. I believe they eventually will. I hope you are rooting for them. I believe that another big objective of the war was to create a terrorist vacuum. Nut case suicide bombers and other types of Islamofascist insurgents have been coming out from all over the Middle Eastern woodwork and getting killed or captured. So we've been accomplishing that too. What we are doing is necessary and very advantageous for the long run. You are a 35 year old child that thinks they have the world all figured out by watching FOX news, and CNN. You think that sticking guns into people's lives based off of lies and empty suspicions that never panned out in order to subvert goverments and offer up your twisted version of freedom is, 'righteous' thinking, when it's actually more along the lines of 'dangerous' thinking...to ANY true objective thinker. Aggression is never an answer to anything...which america's paranoid policies are slowly all drifting towards. (yawn) Your hollow mantra is really starting to bore me. Let me know if you want to actually debate your repeatedly defeated points. Your comment on how the US government is in debt but the people are rich, only shows how little you know about our economy. The government issues all our money. If your holding a dollar bill, its based on what the government owns, which is nothing, since they are 9 trillion in debt. People who don't understand the federal reserve, inflation or how the US debt effects their money has no business talking about economy. Its a fact that we are in massive amounts of debt, there is no arguing this. Money is worth what people think it is worth. The only thing you can do with a dollar bill is trade it with somebody who thinks it is worth something. As a result, our money is worth a great deal. Watch the money buy things. Watch it buy lots and lots of things. That makes it worth something. Foreigners believe it is worth something too, so to them it is too. We have the richest population in the world. Deal with it. Do you work? Why? The money isn't worth anything, right? Duuuuhhhhhhh....

[Alric]

Money is worth what people think it is worth. The only thing you can do with a dollar bill is trade it with somebody who thinks it is worth something. As a result, our money is worth a great deal. Watch the money buy things. Watch it buy lots and lots of things. That makes it worth something. Foreigners believe it is worth something too, so to them it is too. We have the richest population in the world. Deal with it. Do you work? Why? The money isn't worth anything, right? Duuuuhhhhhhh.... I can't believe you just said that. You basicly just admited that our money is only worth something because people 'believe' its worth something. Read what you said just. You said that our money has no value EXCEPT for what people believe it has. Your just described how our entire economy is based on the illusion that people believe the dollar has a real value.

[Alric]

Also no we don't have the richest population in the world. The average american is deep in debt. Which means if you dont have any debt and you own a dollar, your richer than most americans.

[Half/Dreaming]

Also no we don't have the richest population in the world. The average american is deep in debt. Which means if you dont have any debt and you own a dollar, your richer than most americans. Our posessions are on average worth more than those of citizens of other countries.

[Universal Mind]

I can't believe you just said that. You basicly just admited that our money is only worth something because people 'believe' its worth something. Uh, yeah. That's how money works. It's all about the collective agreement that it is worth something. Otherwise, it's just paper and tiny pieces of metal. And America's total wealth is the greatest in the world, even if most of us are in debt. I'm talking about the total. Plus, a dollar is still worth something even if the holder of it is in debt.

[Oneironaut Zero]

That guy is a joke. I watched the debate where Giuliani spanked his ass repeatedly. Really? I'd like to see that, if you have a link. Or are you talking about the recent debate where Giuliani got one applause over Ron Paul's feelings on U.S. foreign policy? (and a subsequent round after asking him to take back what he said) This One? Can you honestly tell me, UM, that that applause was not based on the rhetoric of sympathy for the sheer atrocity of 9/11, rather than facts that discredit the sentiment of why we were actually attacked, that Ron Paul was expressing? I have spent the past few hours looking around for the debate where Giuliani "spanked Paul's ass repeatedly." I used google video search, as I didn't want to just limit it to Youtube (although I got mainly youtube hits). Do that on your own. Google "Giuliani" and "Ron Paul." I simply used both names (and only Giuliani's first name, as that what people seem to, most often, refer to him as, without his first name. I even put his name first in the search, before "Ron Paul," getting more hits). Internet-based support seems to me, Without Question, in support of Ron Paul over Giuliani. I'm not saying this to incite some sort of huge argument, as I (obviously) haven't had much time, lately, to participate in some of these passionate debates, like I used to. I am simply trying to understand where you are coming from, on this. I will say, though, that I (so far) support Ron Paul and many of his views, over Rudy Giuliani. I will cite a few vids that I found interesting that illustrate why. (Of course, these could all be dispatched as "propaganda," which is fair enough, but, if that's the case, please post some Pro-Giuliani media sufficient enough to give me reason to reconsider.) Remember, many of these were the most prominent hits after just cross-referencing their names and clicks on some of the "Related" sections of youtube's search window. Nothing biased was input into the search. (Though I openly admit that some of my subsequent searching, after initial hits, were based on what grabbed my attention. You are welcome to counter-point them.) (As much of Giuliani's support seems to be based on his position during 9/11, I found this clip really interesting) Giuliani Gets Exposed as Fraud by Firefighters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I Ron Paul - Truth to Power: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvCLjp4r7wE Ron Paul vs. Giuliani: Eisenhower Cabinet Support http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yif110zXHME Ron Paul Discusses Economy with Neil Cavuto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Qt8...elated&search= Google News vs. Congressman Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZngO...elated&search= Heavy Heated Ron Paul Debate on Paula Zahn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDnkpTkNXtM What did Rudy Giuliani say about the collapse of WTC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu5Nb...elated&search= Rudy Giuliani's Corruption Town hall meeting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-ou...elated&search= (Again, a complete ignorance of the views expressed by the caller, followed by a completely unprofessional series of personal attacks) Rudy Giuliani mocks Parkinson's victim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMzPvSpJ1Z8

[Half/Dreaming]

Or are you talking about the recent debate where Giuliani got one applause over Ron Paul's feelings on U.S. foreign policy? (and a subsequent round after asking him to take back what he said) This One? Can you honestly tell me, UM, that that applause was not based on the rhetoric of sympathy for the sheer atrocity of 9/11, rather than facts that discredit the sentiment of why we were actually attacked, that Ron Paul was expressing? Ron Paul was correct that terrorists hate us becuase of our presence in the middle east, but that does not necessarily mean America is in the wrong. Terrorists are pissed at us because we don't let them get away with anything they want. They want to be able to oppress and kill Jews and the other Muslim groups without anybody getting in their way. So yes, we were attacked because we stuck our nose in other people's business. I just don't feel that is a bad move on our part. Who cares anyway? It was a stupid debate on both parts. 9/11 was six years ago. I can't believe people are still bickering about why it happened. Every single politician should be focused on how to fix Iraq, not on how fast they can get troops out. I really think Democrats want to pull out of Iraq for 1 of 2 reasons: 1) It is the exact opposite of what Republicans want; 2) They want Iraq to fail miserabely so they can use it as ammo against Republicans in the future. I don't buy for a second that they really care about our troops.

[Alric]

Money normally has some inherit value to it. Our money has none, the only value it has is that other people agree to take because there some illusion of it having value. If tomorrow everyone refused to accept dollars, your money would become totally worthless. It doesn't matter if you have 1 dollar or a million dollars, either way you just became dirt poor. Which is where america is at right now. Walking on the tightrope trying to balance itself between being a rich country and becoming totally bankedrupt. One false step and we are all in trouble. Now people like you and Giuliani think thats cool. Your willing to risk everything, hoping and preying the economy doesn't one day implode in on itself. Now ron paul brings up going back to a money system where all our money is based on gold. When your money is actually backed by something with real value, it gives the entire system stability. Our country is 9 trillion in debt. If tomorrow countries asked us to pay up, we couldn't, our economy would crash and anyone holding their cash in american dollars will lose everything. If our money was gold back each person will have an guarantee that their money will always have value, no matter what happens to our government.