Thread: 9/11 Call, Very Chilling

I am warning you that the end of this video is very disturbing and chilling. This is a call from a man trapped in the south tower during the 9/11 attacks.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYZqQWfGIJg


Also, a video to put this into perspective (2nd Tower Hit)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMseIGe-YvE

This was a day out of hell. Imagine actually being there and hearing a deafening scream of an engine before an earth-shaking explosion and fireball. And the tower collpase... wow.

Death isn't something to fear, it's just a cycle.

Naturally those that haven't introspectively looked within to realize that, would have a natural aversion to death.

On the other hand, think Phoenix, Ouroboros, or any of the other mythological characters that show us the cyclical nature of time and life...

If this thread does nothing but attempt to foment fears of death then I say dump a grand canyon's worth of shit directly on top of it...

Death is nothing to EVER EVER EVER be afraid of... it just means rebirth...



Translation: Clear your mind of all mundane thoughts, and you will find even fire cool.

This is a very famous old quote from a buddhist monk whose temple was being burned to the ground by samurai, and right after saying this he burned to death.


He understood death more in having died that his life resonates forward to the present. Give that a thought over before any of you post a reply...

Fear begets fear and hate begets hate...

Death isn't something to fear...EVER...

I enjoyed the fact you quoted mythological characters to prove reincarnation. Your other evidence was something a monk said when under threat of death.

All you've done is prove that humanity wants life after death. That humanity created myths to 'prove' rebirth, that a monk who was about to die said it, all just confirms that humanity has an innate fear of death, and that they perpetuate either reincarnation in your examples or an afterlife in Judeo-Christian religions.

Based entirely on empirical evidence, I would suggest that death is the end. That there can be no concious cognative thought after the brain ceases to function (which biology proves it does after death) and that therefore we simply cease to be anything more than a lifeless body.

There may be reincarnation, but I can do nothing more than assert the facts of what I know. The empirical evidence is that we cease to be. Reincarnation, afterlife, both are utter conjecture and heavily influenced by an innate fear of death, the unknown.

Whether I'm afraid of death is irrelevant, but you're promoting an assumption as fact.

fucking hell, i was ok until the end when he says "oh God, oh!" and damn tower collapses, shit that brought a tear to my eye, poor guy...

I swear some people at my school NEED to watch this in an assembly or something. Some kids at my school either think it was even a big deal or some of the Muslim kids have said that America deserved it. They should show that video and ask why anyone thinks that man and his co-workers, and the thousands of others, deserved to die and leave their families without a husband/father. How can killing thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS like them by justified by anyone.( then again I'd show that same video to American officials and ask them why that is wrong that mass bombings of Iraqi civilian villages( death toll well over 100,000) can be justified.....

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

I enjoyed the fact you quoted mythological characters to prove reincarnation. Your other evidence was something a monk said when under threat of death.

All you've done is prove that humanity wants life after death. That humanity created myths to 'prove' rebirth, that a monk who was about to die said it, all just confirms that humanity has an innate fear of death, and that they perpetuate either reincarnation in your examples or an afterlife in Judeo-Christian religions.

Based entirely on empirical evidence, I would suggest that death is the end. That there can be no concious cognative thought after the brain ceases to function (which biology proves it does after death) and that therefore we simply cease to be anything more than a lifeless body.

There may be reincarnation, but I can do nothing more than assert the facts of what I know. The empirical evidence is that we cease to be. Reincarnation, afterlife, both are utter conjecture and heavily influenced by an innate fear of death, the unknown.

Whether I'm afraid of death is irrelevant, but you're promoting an assumption as fact.

Quite the contrary... you claim the lack of scientific empirical evidence of life after death as the proof your viewpoint is right. There's alot of truth in the mythos that you arbitrarily write off. Needless to say, I'm closer to the monk's viewpoint at this point in life so I know that death is cycle as much as you know you'll exhale your next breath...

Call my bluff with a colt 45 to the temple and I'll prove you wrong...

Been there... done that...

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Quite the contrary... you claim the lack of scientific empirical evidence of life after death as the proof your viewpoint is right. There's alot of truth in the mythos that you arbitrarily right off. Needless to say, I'm closer to the monk's viewpoint at this point in life so I know that death is cycle as much as you know you'll exhale your next breath...

Call my bluff with a colt 45 to the temple and I'll prove you wrong...

Been there... done that...

Ah. You have faith that there is reincarnation and nothing will change your stand-point on that. I however am taking the more logical thought-process of believing what facts I have instead of making wild assumptions. I think death to be the end until proven wrong.

Are you suggesting that to prove your utter belief in life after death I should shoot you in the head?
That would taking advantage of someone's very human need for something beyond death. There's no reason I would do that.

It's 'write off', by the by.

What I meant with the colt 45 example was, that even if I knew in 1 minute you'd shoot me in the head I'd have nothing to fear or worry about. I'd actually look forward to it in the sense you look forward to going to place you've never been before. Death doesn't mean the end. That's an absurdist assumption. You are here now and time is a human construct... that means you are here eternally... linear causality is a manmade construct to make sense of an otherwise paradoxical cyclical nature.

My advice to you is delve a little deeper into yourself... once you do, there is no question without answer...

Good day

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Death isn't something to fear, it's just a cycle.

I just can't imagine that you would be thinking this if you ever found yourself on the 100th floor of a building in a raging inferno, and your only choice was to jump out of a window.

He would take a "colt 45 to the temple" happily enough. Though obviously it's easy enough for him to type that as a middle-class American sat at home on a computer.

I'm not overly concerned with how he would feel in such a situation. It's his belief that science can be surpassed by 'delving deep inside youself' that I reacted to.

I don't find anything disturbing about that video really. He died relatively quickly and painlessly.

Originally Posted by kichu

I just can't imagine that you would be thinking this if you ever found yourself on the 100th floor of a building in a raging inferno, and your only choice was to jump out of a window.

He didn't jump out of a window.

This was horrible. I listened to it three times untill I got it. Now, I wonder what happened. Was that the plane that killed him, or the building collapsing? And what did the operator say after that call?

Yes, cuddly they shoud show that at an assembly. And who are the muslim kids to say that "America deserved it."? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That guy deserved that? Go watch that video, and then if you still think that, look at what America is doing to shape itself out. And then if you STILL, for only god knows why, THEN you can say that, but expect everyone to hate you. You live in the country. Go back to Iraq or wherever they are from and look at how bad they treat their people, and tell me that America deserved it.

America deserved it as a people or as a government, AmazeO?

It was a tragic event that sparked hysteria throughout the US and fuelled the idea of a 'war on terror'.

Out of interest, what would you say America is doing to 'shape itself out'?

^^

O o i know!

Flattening Iraq so that there can be no further attacks from them.....

Though i think the large bombings stopped now, that was a few years back, now a days we are building them schools and such, getting the local population to trust you and value your help minimizes the chance that civilians in Iraq will get so angry at their friends/families dieing and join extremist organizations.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Death isn't something to fear, it's just a cycle.

Naturally those that haven't introspectively looked within to realize that, would have a natural aversion to death.

On the other hand, think Phoenix, Ouroboros, or any of the other mythological characters that show us the cyclical nature of time and life...

If this thread does nothing but attempt to foment fears of death then I say dump a grand canyon's worth of shit directly on top of it...

Death is nothing to EVER EVER EVER be afraid of... it just means rebirth...



Translation: Clear your mind of all mundane thoughts, and you will find even fire cool.

This is a very famous old quote from a buddhist monk whose temple was being burned to the ground by samurai, and right after saying this he burned to death.


He understood death more in having died that his life resonates forward to the present. Give that a thought over before any of you post a reply...

Fear begets fear and hate begets hate...

Death isn't something to fear...EVER...

Thats awesome, but of course we want to prevent killing.

I heard it like 3 years ago. It was pretty sad.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Death isn't something to fear, it's just a cycle.

Naturally those that haven't introspectively looked within to realize that, would have a natural aversion to death.

On the other hand, think Phoenix, Ouroboros, or any of the other mythological characters that show us the cyclical nature of time and life...

If this thread does nothing but attempt to foment fears of death then I say dump a grand canyon's worth of shit directly on top of it...

Death is nothing to EVER EVER EVER be afraid of... it just means rebirth...



Translation: Clear your mind of all mundane thoughts, and you will find even fire cool.

This is a very famous old quote from a buddhist monk whose temple was being burned to the ground by samurai, and right after saying this he burned to death.


He understood death more in having died that his life resonates forward to the present. Give that a thought over before any of you post a reply...

Fear begets fear and hate begets hate...

Death isn't something to fear...EVER...

Um you have the story completely wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A...4%90%E1%BB%A9c

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Um you have the story completely wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A...4%90%E1%BB%A9c

The story isn't wrong. It's a true story from hundreds of years ago(1582 to be exact). The picture of the guy in Vietnam, and the old japanese story's only connection is the idea of a buddhist monk burning to death. Sorry for any confusion.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

The story isn't wrong. It's a true story from hundreds of years ago(1582 to be exact). The picture of the guy in Vietnam, and the old japanese story's only connection is the idea of a buddhist monk burning to death. Sorry for any confusion.

Oh sorry about that.