Do antidepressants work?

**Minervas Phoenix** · 05-19-2008 03:38 AM

Not according to this.

This past week the CDC released some very shocking news - antidepressants are now officially the most prescribed drugs on the market today.

And why is that news shocking? Let's take a look at the facts:

#1 In 2004 the FDA began to warn the public that they were seeing an increase in suicides among youth with the use of antidepressant medications.

#2 In 2005 the official warning came from the FDA that antidepressants double the rate of suicide for those under age 18. This was a sweeping warning for any antidepressant ever introduced to the market and any to ever be approved in the future. (This warning was the next closest thing they could impose next to an outright ban of the drugs.)

#3 The FDA also warned all users of these drugs at the same time that any abrupt change in dose of one of these drugs, whether increasing or decreasing the drug, could produce suicide, hostility or psychosis.

#4 In December 2006 the warning for increased suicide was extended by the FDA to anyone under the age of 25.

#5 In August 2007 Dr. Thomas Insel, head of the National Institute of Mental Health in speaking of new studies being conducted with the use of Ketamine ("Special K" is the street name for this sister drug to PCP - Angel Dust) in the treatment of depression said that antidepressants produce the same effect as Ketamine. The only difference noted was that Ketamine produced these effects instantly where antidepressants take a few weeks to produce that effect. They were impressed that Ketamine would rid a patient of depression immediately where the antidepressants would take several weeks to do the same, yet when one is aware that Ketamine and PCP are dissociative anesthetics, no one would expect the patient to FEEL anything! [For two decades I have warned that these antidepressants are much too similar in action to the hallucinogens PCP and LSD.]

#6 The news came out in January 2008 that the initial studies done on antidepressants demonstrated that these drugs are of no more benefit than a placebo. Why was no one aware of that? Doctors and patients were no aware of this because the very large majority of the negative studies were never made public.

#7 Although the benefit of antidepressants is non-existent, these drugs have a very long list of serious and very deadly side effects.

#8 The most popular antidepressant on the market, Effexor, now has "homicidal ideation" (obsessive/ruminating thoughts of killing and how to kill) listed as a side effect. The manufacturer had this data for over a decade, yet they chose to not disclose that until a few years ago. Before that warning was added: [I will mention just a handful of cases of professionals who should have known.]

Andrea Yates, a nurse, drowned her five children while taking this drug. Then, while Andrea's case was in court a female doctor in Illinois on the same drug, killed one son and severely injured another. In Tennessee another female doctor also on Effexor slit her 7 year old son's throat and then her own. And then it really hit home for Wyeth when one of their own employees, Cassandra Burgess, whose job it was to take adverse reaction reports on Effexor was killed along with her parents and daughter by her husband who was taking Effexor. He then took his own life. So even though she heard the adverse reports daily on Effexor she still missed the signs in her own husband (although they were there if you knew what signs to look for) soon enough to save herself and her family.

The role of the FDA is to judge the risk to benefit of medications. After seeing the studies demonstrating no more benefit than a placebo, yet deadly enough to produce brutal homicides, why are these drugs still on the market? And why on earth are they the most popular medications?! And the biggest question of all . . . WHY IS IT OKAY IN AMERICA OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO HAVE PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS THAT CAN PRODUCE HOMICIDAL TENDENCIES AS A SIDE EFFECT ???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We now have medical studies showing that antidepressants:

- are of no more benefit than a sugar pill

- produce fatal birth defects from heart malformations and PPH (Primary Pulminary Hypertension)

- produce mania which includes: wild spending leading to bankruptcy, sexual compulsions, pyromania leading to arson, another form of mania leads to compulsions for alcohol

- keep patients from forming or maintaining meaningful romantic relationships and that marriage relationships of 40 + years suddenly end with the numbness that comes from these drugs thus destroying many families via divorce.

- increase chances of breast cancer by 7 times

- induce LSD flashbacks and LSD like reactions

- produce amazingly high incidents of psychotic breaks leading to an increase in Bipolar Disorder of over 4000% in one decade!

- double the level of cortisol with one dose (steroid effect)

- produce Diabetes, Alzheimer's, Autism, Fybromyalgia - all of which have skyrocketed in the last two decades that these drugs have become so widely used

- produce pedophilia while we now have an epidemic of female school teachers seducing male students

- dramatically increase suicide

- so strongly affect memory that "amnesia" is listed as a "frequent" side effect leaving many patients with severe memory loss and false memories leading them to falsely accuse others of various abuses

- produce serious weight gain leading to many additional health problems

- reports are that approximately one third of pregnant women are now taking antidepressants as their baby's brains form in the womb leaving us to ask what the end result might be

All of this helps to answer the question everyone is asking, "What on earth is happening to our world?!"

And once again I ask the same question I have asked for two decades now, "WHY are the antidepressants still on the market?"

**Bearsy** · 05-19-2008 03:50 AM

- produce pedophilia while we now have an epidemic of female school teachers seducing male students

There's no way anti depressants could make someone become sexually attracted to children.

[edit: I'm not saying that's the only falsity... just the only one I can say with 100% assurance]

**Universal Mind** · 05-19-2008 06:23 AM

Antidepressants brought me out of the depths of Hell and prevented my suicide... twice. I have seen them do the same for many others. I don't know why such a sick lie is being told about them. They work!!!

**Serkat** · 05-19-2008 08:50 AM

That's the stupidest thing I've read all day. It's only 10 AM though. Connections to Scientology, much?

"Antidepressants double the suicide rate"
Wow, if you're going to warp statistics by wording them like shit, you might as well just fake them altogether. Ever considered what kind of people would take antidepressants?

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**Universal Mind** · 05-19-2008 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Korittke

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That is awesome! I say that page demands its own thread.

**Bearsy** · 05-19-2008 09:04 AM

That's awesome

**Sisyphus50** · 05-19-2008 10:33 AM

Was this an actual CDC study or was this something you got as a Fwd: fwd: fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: in your email and decided to share?

It's usually good form to back up outrageous claims with references.

**Bearsy** · 05-19-2008 05:53 PM

Ya, seriously...
source?

**ChrissyMaria** · 05-19-2008 06:27 PM

My opinion, they work for some, and not for some...thats all medicine...I personally take 5-htp for my slight depression...well I haven't been depressed in a long time because the 5-htp works of course...

But yea, they do work..for some

**Kushna Mufeed** · 05-19-2008 06:49 PM

I don't know much about the benefits/harms of anti-depressants, but if my doctor told me I needed them, I'd probably tell him to stuff the prescription down his throat. In fact, the act of stuffing paper down his throat would probably cure my depression. It's just my preference not to delve into things like that. Hell, I hate when the doctor tells me to take anti-biotics.

**Universal Mind** · 05-19-2008 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

I don't know much about the benefits/harms of anti-depressants, but if my doctor told me I needed them, I'd probably tell him to stuff the prescription down his throat. In fact, the act of stuffing paper down his throat would probably cure my depression. It's just my preference not to delve into things like that. Hell, I hate when the doctor tells me to take anti-biotics.

If you ended up in a bad enough depression, you would take them. If you want to avoid them and to stuff paper down your doctor's throat, it probably means you don't need them right now.

**psychology student** · 05-19-2008 10:41 PM

There was a meta-analysis this year in the UK that found that they are only effective in severe cases in depression. Alarmingly, it also found that they are largely ineffective in mild and moderate cases of depression.

**Kushna Mufeed** · 05-19-2008 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If you ended up in a bad enough depression, you would take them. If you want to avoid them and to stuff paper down your doctor's throat, it probably means you don't need them right now.

Heh. It'd be a good indicator if my doctor was a quack.

But seriously, I don't even like taking Tylenol for a headache.

**Minervas Phoenix** · 05-20-2008 02:49 AM

Haha. Someone asked for a source. I can't believe it. The sources are stated in the article. The FDA and the CDC. Thomas Insel, (head of the National Institute of Mental Health). Look the sources up properly instead of not even seeing them. How can you read the article and not see them?

If the statistics are distorted and that can be proven. Please go ahead and show us. That's a reason why I posted.

In the article it explains how alternatives like Ketamine are more effective. I would rather try that first if anything. Anyone ever taken it? please share experiences.

Antidepressants brought me out of the depths of Hell and prevented my suicide... twice. I have seen them do the same for many others. I don't know why such a sick lie is being told about them. They work!!!

This sounds like you are, lieing.

. I think the stuidies about them hold more weight. Other peoples experiences and findings outweigh this. That's just using my common sense, other peoples common sense may tell them something else.

**Bearsy** · 05-20-2008 02:56 AM

I can write an article and say Jesus himself told be that heaven was just a description of lucid dreaming.
It doesn't mean it's true.
If there's actual proof that these claims are true then maybe they'll hold a little bit of weight.
It can't be that hard to come up with a link...

And how dare you say someone is lying about their depression and thoughts of suicide?
How the hell would you know?
UM's and my own experiences with anti-depressants are completely opposite to the "findings" in this "study".
Maybe some people found one thing about anti-depressants and maybe others found other effects. It doesn't mean one is wrong... Drugs effect different people differently.

Ketamine is a sedative, why the hell would you want to use K before using made-for-human-use, FDA approved anti-depression medications?
That's not to say Ketamine isn't an awesome rec. drug, I quite like falling into a K-hole.

**Minervas Phoenix** · 05-20-2008 03:37 AM

I can write an article and say Jesus himself told be that heaven was just a description of lucid dreaming.

That is different to providing a summary of information from sources that you can go and verify. You can't go to jesus and verify that. But you can go to the head of the national institute of mental health and ask Thomas Insel. You can contact the FDA and the CDC about it.

If there's actual proof that these claims are true then maybe they'll hold a little bit of weight.

There is actually a difference between what you say are just claims...and then what is in reality a summary of information from sources you can contact yourself. If they are not true, can you show us please. Instead of just saying they need to be proved. Like before jumping to conclusions and saying it's not proved just claims. Why not first understand what you are reading by looking at the sources and then providing us with information about what the article has stated. That is how a normal rational person with nothing to lose would do it.

And how dare you say someone is lying about their depression and thoughts of suicide? How the hell would you know?

I don't know, maybe so they can say it works to suit them? Lieing is not a new thing. Feel free to think he isn't lieing I don't care. That's just what I think.

UM's and my own experiences with anti-depressants are completely opposite to the "findings" in this "study".

It's convenient to say that you have taken them to have an opinion. But it also discredits your mental health remember.

Maybe some people found one thing about anti-depressants and maybe others found other effects. It doesn't mean one is wrong... Drugs effect different people differently.

That doesn't mean antidepressents work because drugs also effect similar people the same way.

Ketamine is a sedative, why the hell would you want to use K before using made-for-human-use, FDA approved anti-depression medications?

Because ketamine might be more effective. That's a good enough reason isn't it? Like I use my own decisions not just the FDA and what they decide. I'm seperate from the FDA and what they want.

**Bearsy** · 05-20-2008 03:51 AM

How about you just give me a link? You're the one that brought up the subject, you're the one claiming it's true. The burden of proof is on you.

Why would someone lie about their past battles with depression to some insignificant new member of a forum... someone they will never meet and have no reason to lie too?

How the hell is it "convinient"? What the fuck is your problem that you come on here judging people? Fuck you, and I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of my mental health. I'm not here to look good in front of people, especially pieces of shit like yourself.

ANTIDEPRESSANTS DO FUCKING WORK! IT'S BEEN PROVEN HUNDREDS OF TIMES BY HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND AGENCIES INCLUDING THE FDA AND THE CDC.

Ketamine isn't more effective or it would be prescribed before antidepressants. It's fine that you have your own reasons for not wanting to use ADs, but don't come here and down talk people you don't know over things you have absolutely no basis of argument on.

In short, fuck you.

**Universal Mind** · 05-20-2008 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

This sounds like you are, lieing.

. I think the stuidies about them hold more weight. Other peoples experiences and findings outweigh this. That's just using my common sense, other peoples common sense may tell them something else.

This sounds like you are... talking out of your ass. I already know that antidepressants work very well in many cases. I was a mental health case manager for three years, and I have seen reality very clearly through my own experiences and the experiences of may others. If you have not, then you have a lot to learn about what you only think you understand.

Could you post a link that shows the CDC actually said that false bullshit so we can know you didn't type "CDC" yourself? Thanks.

Depression does not "discredit" a person's ability to be logical or truthful. You really need to know what the Hell you are talking about before you say another word. It is becoming very clear to me that you are very indifferent to depression, and that is why you came here with your dishonest agenda. For all you know, you are discouraging severely depressed people from trying what they need to try instead of committing suicide, yet you are spewing your nonsense any way.

The biggest jaw dropper in the whole article is the claim that antidepressants cause pedophilia. What a crock of shit. Are you sure Tom Cruise didn't write that article? Did Tom Cruise put you up to posting in here? Are you a Scientologist?

**Bearsy** · 05-20-2008 04:55 AM

I googled the first line of the OP's quote...

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3751 here's where she got it from.

Apparently that "article" was written by a doctor... lol.

What bullshit.

**Sisyphus50** · 05-20-2008 07:41 AM

This thread is the reason why you shouldn't let your children play with lead-painted toys from China.

In future, provide a real source or just keep your mouth shut. Better to have people think you might be an idiot, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

**Minervas Phoenix** · 05-20-2008 04:57 PM

It's responses like these I need......Minties.

Ok I better respond. First sorry if anyone is angry or offended, I just want to discuss it normally.

I thought the article was actually the best summary of the subject to date. Hence my posting it. You can't go into detail with a short article. But that's what this thread is for.

Apparently that "article" was written by a doctor... lol. What bullshit.

Why is it bullshit.

How about you just give me a link? You're the one that brought up the subject, you're the one claiming it's true. The burden of proof is on you.

What on earth? How is a burden of proof on me. I didn't write the article and also not part of it's sources. It's not even about me at all. Discuss the article dude.

Why would someone lie about their past battles with depression to some insignificant new member of a forum... someone they will never meet and have no reason to lie too?

They would be lieing to anyone reading the thread, not just me. They might do it to sell antidepressants. Skies the limit what the reason would be. Use your imagination. He has. Universal mind. I'm not a scientologist. Good heavens. Boy oh boy oh boy.

How the hell is it "convinient"? What the fuck is your problem that you come on here judging people? Fuck you, and I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of my mental health. I'm not here to look good in front of people, especially pieces of shit like yourself.

ANTIDEPRESSANTS DO FUCKING WORK! IT'S BEEN PROVEN HUNDREDS OF TIMES BY HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND AGENCIES INCLUDING THE FDA AND THE CDC.

Ah, no it hasn't. Just cause you say it in capital letters won't make it come true.

don't come here and down talk people you don't know over things you have absolutely no basis of argument on.

In short, fuck you.

I'm not talking down to you. Don't know where you got that idea. I want to respect anyone and what they have to say. But let me have my say too.

I was a mental health case manager for three years, and I have seen reality very clearly through my own experiences and the experiences of may others.

Whatever you think you know, you still aren't discussing the article.

Depression does not "discredit" a person's ability to be logical or truthful. You really need to know what the Hell you are talking about before you say another word.

I said that it discredits your mental health. And having being a mental health case manager yourself, and then going on antidepressants to prevent you from suicide twice. That is worse than if you were just a depressed person.

It is becoming very clear to me that you are very indifferent to depression, and that is why you came here with your dishonest agenda.

Now I have a dishonest agenda? Boy oh boy oh boy. I started the thread because I am concerned about it.

For all you know, you are discouraging severely depressed people from trying what they need to try instead of committing suicide, yet you are spewing your nonsense any way.

How am I discouraging them? I want depressed people to get the medicine they deserve. Not something that is going to make them worse. I don't see how it is nonsense to be looking into an article that just may shed light on what does not work for depressed people. Crikey.

**Sisyphus50** · 05-20-2008 05:46 PM

What on earth? How is a burden of proof on me. I didn't write the article and also not part of it's sources. It's not even about me at all. Discuss the article dude.

You are the one making the claim by reposting the unsourced drivel. Therefore the burden of proof is on you, not us, to provide sources.

**Sisyphus50** · 05-20-2008 06:16 PM

No, the burden is on you to prove your ridiculous claim. Saying "CDC" is not a source. A source would be linking us to the exact study/poll that was done on the CDC WEBSITE.

'Dr' Ann Blake Tracy got her 'degree' from a college that doesn't provide a medical program. Nuff said. This is 'Kent Hovind' all over again.

**Minervas Phoenix** · 05-20-2008 06:19 PM

I knew you would repeat yourself so here is my post again at the end of your repetition.

Come on that has being said already...(among other insulting things) I'm not making claims ok just interested in the topic. There is no burden on me to show you things. There is sources to the article. If you don't agree then the next step is tell us why in a rational manner.

**Lord Toaster** · 05-20-2008 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

If you don't agree then the next step is tell us why in a rational manner.

I don't agree. Here's why:

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Antidepressants brought me out of the depths of Hell and prevented my suicide... twice. I have seen them do the same for many others. I don't know why such a sick lie is being told about them. They work!!!

Seriously, I believe that antidepressants work for some, but not for others, and that a lot of what they do is placebo, and not to do with the drug at all. But, they definitely work for some.

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