European Union/Globalization

[Vance]

Are you for or against the European Union? Are you for or against globalization?

[Dreamworld]

Are you for or against the European Union? Are you for or against globalization? Haha, I'm doing a lesson on Globalization. I think Globalization will civilize us, and unite us even more. But we cannot leave certain third world coutries out of the global incest. It will only seperate the gap between the rich and poor.

[Kushna Mufeed]

There is the good and the bad. It'll remove what remains of racism so the next issue can be tackled: classism. On the other hand, globalization would mean more inter-racial humping, so that'll make it hard to find someone with a similar DNA structure to you when you need a transplant. Hopefully we'll be able to clone our own organs by then.

[Vance]

There is the good and the bad. It'll remove what remains of racism so the next issue can be tackled: classism. On the other hand, globalization would mean more inter-racial humping, so that'll make it hard to find someone with a similar DNA structure to you when you need a transplant. Hopefully we'll be able to clone our own organs by then. Thats your problem? I thought it would be more along the lines of abuse of power/pursuit of perfection that would drive us to being slaves and leading irrationally equal lives, losing all sense of individualism in man's quest for the perfect, harmonious paradise-society. But that's just me.

[Kushna Mufeed]

You'll note that I only stated one argument for each side of the debate. That's a good point too. There is so much to take into consideration when discussing this topic.

[Sornaensis]

Read 1984. Read up on George Bush. Read up on the EU. Comapre. Rinse & repeat.

[ChrissyMaria]

Are you for or against the European Union? Are you for or against globalization? against both, or any other future unions of any sort. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely having a president of the earth would be a terrible idea, or any government in control of the planet. Even if they succeed which I don't think they will, there will be HEAVY resistance from the middle eastern and other 'rouge' nations like north korea and many organized criminals will fight back and not be enslaved by a cashless credit system. Criminals cannot do business without hard cash, globalization means no cash only credit/debit..etc (not supporting criminals but, they would not stand down) thatd be interesting to see, maybe the mafia will liberate us from a global evil government?

[tkdyo]

Thats your problem? I thought it would be more along the lines of abuse of power/pursuit of perfection that would drive us to being slaves and leading irrationally equal lives, losing all sense of individualism in man's quest for the perfect, harmonious paradise-society. But that's just me. this is the main reason I am against it.

[ChrissyMaria]

this is the main reason I am against it. me too, loss of freedom, loss of individualism, loss of humanity. Humanity was not designed to get along in a harmonious global government. Humanity is destined for conflict, and a global government is not only naive but unrealistic.

[Taosaur]

No.

[Captain Sleepalot]

Globalization will continue to evolve whether the majority wants it to or not (and by majority I mean average citizens). Those in control will push this agenda forward no matter what; there will always be independent states, however (there will never be a truly global government that rules every nation). They will try to integrate the global government into as many nations as possible. So it doesn't really matter if we are for or against it, although there will be certain times at which the tensions between the sovereignty of nations and global governmental control will reach a crisis point that results in small (or large) wars waged by their populations.

[Vance]

Globalization will continue to evolve whether the majority wants it to or not (and by majority I mean average citizens). Those in control will push this agenda forward no matter what; there will always be independent states, however (there will never be a truly global government that rules every nation). They will try to integrate the global government into as many nations as possible. So it doesn't really matter if we are for or against it, although there will be certain times at which the tensions between the sovereignty of nations and global governmental control will reach a crisis point that results in small (or large) wars waged by their populations. I would personally oversee the uprisings.

[Sisyphus50]

Humanity was not designed to get along in a harmonious global government. Humanity is destined for conflict Aren't you just a ray of sunshine. Ultimately you can't stop globalisation. The EU was first, next the Asian Federation, then an American Union. Once Africa joins the party you've got a majority of the world working together as major trading partners. Countries that don't want to join the unions will be cut out of trade deals or embargoed until they have no choice but to submit and join, or suffer lower GDP and standards of living. It's going to happen whether we like it or not. 100 years from now or 1000 years from now, it'll happen slowly and gradually creeping like a vine on society, slow enough that each step is barely noticed by the generation in power at the time. I don't see a need for a President of Earth until we are a multi-world civilization, then we can have colonial wars of independence all over again.

[Dreamworld]

against both, or any other future unions of any sort. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely having a president of the earth would be a terrible idea, or any government in control of the planet. Even if they succeed which I don't think they will, there will be HEAVY resistance from the middle eastern and other 'rouge' nations like north korea and many organized criminals will fight back and not be enslaved by a cashless credit system. Criminals cannot do business without hard cash, globalization means no cash only credit/debit..etc (not supporting criminals but, they would not stand down) thatd be interesting to see, maybe the mafia will liberate us from a global evil government? That has almost nothing to do with globalization. The earth has already been globalizing, ever since the start of civilization. It will never stop.

[Vance]

Inter-Planatary wars would certainly be a spectacle. But Space is so big that it can't be embargoed, so I stick to my theory that the WorldGov will still have control over everything. The only warp-drive equipped spaceships will belong to the government, to prevent piracy and unauthorized exploration and colinization. If we own any spaceships, they will most likely be short-range “cars” rather than any company or even city-state government owning a full-fledged warp ship. If someone owned a ship like that, they could simply warp off to wherever and start their own civilization there, or resort to piracy. I think the government will always want control, and Earth will always keep the heavy guns aimed at any worlds that could potentially rebel. But that’s missing the point: My point is 1984, Anthem style communal living that will cause us to lose all individualism. Then it won’t matter how many colonies we establish, period. We will all be mindless slaves to perfectionism and government.

[Sisyphus50]

Well we won't be. We'll be long dead before/if any of this comes around.

[Vance]

Well we won't be. We'll be long dead before/if any of this comes around. That's exactly the kind of thinking that makes the human race so darn successful.

[Sisyphus50]

While I don't disagree with that statement, I don't share the view. I was merely pointing out that you used the word 'we' referring to mindless slaves of a totalitarian society. It was more tongue in cheek than anything else.

[ChrissyMaria]

I know we can't stop globalization, but that doesn't mean im going to like or accept it

[Vance]

I think we can stop globalization, simply by being human. We are presured to keep things under control within our own country as is. The only way to subdue us is to take a socialist course and kill anyone who objects. There will be a resistance, for sure. Maybe it will win.

[Raudorn]

Living in the core of the EU, western Europe, I have a good view on the insideand how Europe has developed in the past years. Surprisingly I don't see a steadily growing equalization, but individualism expanding to a degree, where it's difficult to be individualistic, because everyone is. It's the same with connections to other countries (inside the EU) on a personal level. I've asked my friends and relatives about their friends and relatives outside Germany and everyone I asked happend to know at least someone. The majority had even foreign ancestors in a range of three generations. I think the main difference between a federal republic and an union of several states/republics is the distribution of power. While the EU administration is rather powerfull, the states still have the main power. Additionatly, no single state can gain full power over the EU administration (though certain states have far more power than others, which is under critique). In a federal republic on the other hand, the single state has little to almost no power compared to the republic government, as federal laws have to go by certain principles. On the inside I see a lot of good things about the EU. But what about the outside? To be honest, my "outside view" is solely based on what I have read, heard or seen on/in the news(paper), internet and school and thus propably distorted. I think a good example of how globalization should not be, are the high agricultural subsidies and the problems they imply. While it's great to have cheap food and to be able to export it they can (and have done) ruin the economy of other, non-EU, countries. For example, the EU exports a lot of grain and milk powder to African countries, flooding the market and undercutting the local farmers. Well great, now they're dependent of our cheap food. Too bad the EU can't feed whole africa and let's not even talk about energy resources. I don't know about other examples, but I'm sure, there are plenty. Being one of the main economical powers on earth, we (that's all of EU citizens) should consider which impact we have on non-EU states not only on the economical domain, because change starts down the chain, not on the top. We can't cut subsidies without accepting higher food prices. Still I hope the problems can be fixed, because I honestly think the EU is one of the best things that happened to Europe.

[Serkat]

Racial mixtures tend to have better looks on average, so globalization gets my vote.