Thread: Al Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I don't agree with Gore on this. I disagree with him about 45% of the time and the other 55% of the time I fall asleep listening to him. He blathers on with useless information everyone is aware of as if he found the evidence in a sunken treasure chest.

When I was like 8 or something my Dad took me to see him speak and afterwards my Dad was like, "Oh wow! Wasn't he charismatic?" And I was 8, I don't remember a word he said.

Gore is not a real liberal, he's anti-american. He purposely tries to undermine people, and so in an attempt to undermine both Bush administrations, he jumps from one side of the fence to the other to take whatever position is against them. Michael Moore does it too, but Michael Moore is entertaining so I forgive him.

I totally agree with all of that, except I think Gore is a real liberal. Modern liberalism is nothing more than the religion of Anti-Republicanism.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Unfortunately, there is no way to distinguish Iraq as a valuable target against terrorism or for democracy and security.

It is a valuable target for business interests, however.

At this point, Iraq is mainly a valuable target for civilizing the Middle East in the long run.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I totally agree with all of that, except I think Gore is a real liberal. Modern liberalism is nothing more than the religion of Anti-Republicanism.

For me, liberalism is still what it always was, but republicans have changed the word into "anti-republicanism." Essentially, if someone has a differing viewpoint on things like civil rights, the environment, foreign policy and economic theory, they're called a liberal. The people calling themselves liberals that weren't ruined the word first, though.

But if you got in an argument with a religious person, talk about drugs or... anything and inevtiably they'll probably use the word liberal like its an insult.

At this point, Iraq is mainly a valuable target for civilizing the Middle East in the long run.

How can a bankrupt nation be trying to civilize anything?

And why is our civilization better than their's? Western civilization put all those kings in power in the first place thinking that countries were the next stage of civilization. The West (UK mostly) didn't understand the way they saw the world, they thought their way of seeing things was better.

Western Cultural exportation are to the Middle East what the parasitic bark beatle is to forests in the western hemisphere.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

For me, liberalism is still what it always was, but republicans have changed the word into "anti-republicanism." Essentially, if someone has a differing viewpoint on things like civil rights, the environment, foreign policy and economic theory, they're called a liberal. The people calling themselves liberals that weren't ruined the word first, though.



But if you got in an argument with a religious person, talk about drugs or... anything and inevtiably they'll probably use the word liberal like its an insult.

Mainstream liberalism today is about finding out what Republicans think about an issue, taking the polar opposite side, and then calling them the worst names they can think of. That is what it is about now.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

How can a bankrupt nation be trying to civilize anything?

And why is our civilization better than their's? Western civilization put all those kings in power in the first place thinking that countries were the next stage of civilization. The West (UK mostly) didn't understand the way they saw the world, they thought their way of seeing things was better.

Western Cultural exportation are to the Middle East what the parasitic bark beatle is to forests in the western hemisphere.

What we did for Japan is what we are now doing for Iraq and Afghanistan. We have given them governments that allow the people to control the government and for capitalism to lead to prosperity that leads to cultural advancement. We are ending the terrorist breeding ground nature that came with their severe poverty and despair.

Japan is now the second wealthiest nation in the world.

Japan had twice as many aircraft carriers than the United States in the beginning of WW2. How do you think they were able to rage a war against China and the US airforce? You act like we dropped ourselves off into the country when they were still cutting each other's heads off with katanas. They were always one of the most powerful nations on earth.

And I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself. Western manipulation of Middle East politics caused the poverty and despair in the first place. You think our way of thinking is better than their's and that's why they're in "despair" but the Middle East is in this state because Western ideals were being imposed on their ideals, and the two did not add up.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Japan had twice as many aircraft carriers than the United States in the beginning of WW2. How do you think they were able to rage a war against China and the US airforce? You act like we dropped ourselves off into the country when they were still cutting each other's heads off with katanas. They were always one of the most powerful nations on earth.

I said they are now the second wealthiest nation in the world. What was their wealth ranking right before World War II?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

And I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself. Western manipulation of Middle East politics caused the poverty and despair in the first place. You think our way of thinking is better than their's and that's why they're in "despair" but the Middle East is in this state because Western ideals were being imposed on their ideals, and the two did not add up.

It doesn't matter if you repeat yourself. What you said does not counter what I said. I do not agree with the past Western government manipulations of Middle Eastern governments which were aimed at quick alliances against worse enemies and at British imperialism and so forth going way back. I do agree with our present Middle East policies.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Japan had twice as many aircraft carriers than the United States in the beginning of WW2. How do you think they were able to rage a war against China and the US airforce? You act like we dropped ourselves off into the country when they were still cutting each other's heads off with katanas. They were always one of the most powerful nations on earth.

And I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself. Western manipulation of Middle East politics caused the poverty and despair in the first place. You think our way of thinking is better than their's and that's why they're in "despair" but the Middle East is in this state because Western ideals were being imposed on their ideals, and the two did not add up.

Yea right, dude. War and oppression in the middle east never existed until western occupations and influence? Jihadists and fanatical Muslims were never there untill we came along?

I suggest a history book or www.wikipedia.org

I'm talking about Western Manipulation during the turn of the last century, genius.

And UM, I could say the exact same thing about neoconservatives during Clinton's administration as far as what you claim modern liberals are. I won't because its not true, they had their minds made up and were just trying to glue the evidence together right to fit it. In fact, it's a completely radical statement that reveals just how warped your sense of the world really is, and lightweight offensive.

We didn't civilize Japan. Stop pretending we're like these exporters of a higher style of living to the barbaric rest of the world. It's ignorant.

I'd also like to state that you are anti-humanity.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I'm talking about Western Manipulation during the turn of the last century, genius.

And how was the Middle East doing before that, Galileo?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

And UM, I could say the exact same thing about neoconservatives during Clinton's administration as far as what you claim modern liberals are. I won't because its not true, they had their minds made up and were just trying to glue the evidence together right to fit it. In fact, it's a completely radical statement that reveals just how warped your sense of the world really is, and lightweight offensive.

It is what you said about Al Gore, and it applies to a lot more liberals than him. It is a modern trend.

Didn't you say in the Religion forum that anything that can be thought is reality? Any way, try a new method of meditation. The one you are doing is not working.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

We didn't civilize Japan. Stop pretending we're like these exporters of a higher style of living to the barbaric rest of the world. It's ignorant.

We rewrote Japan's constitution in 1945, and now they are the second wealthiest nation in the world. Tell me (since you dodged it last time)... How did they rank right before World War II?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I'd also like to state that you are anti-humanity.

Then you are delusional or lying. I know which of the two it is. I should also add that you cannot expect everybody to be as loving and caring as your behavior proves you are. You hate the idea of turning shitty countries into great ones, don't you? Who is anti-humanity?