Thread: Third parties, who do you like more in the election

I myself like McCain more. I liked Obama a little more at first because he wanted to withdraw from Iraq immediately. He just changed his mind out of nowhere and now he wants to stay. That brings up another point. Obama is too wishy washy and doesn't know what he wants. As soon as the primarys were over and he beat hilary, he changed a lot of his stances on issues and now he isn't even the same candidate. I am afraid if he enters the white house he will change a lot more of his stances and become a totally different man.

McCain has had the same stances that he has had since he was running against all of the other republicans that got him here. He isn't the best president (I feel that he will spend too much money and not apply enough taxes to pay it back.), but I feel that I can trust him and his ideas more than Obama. (Libertarian here.)

I want some libertarians, green parties, and (probably not likely but possibly) constitution parties. Post your opinions.

I'll do it..I'll say it

my vote was on hilary

so now I have no vote.

I voted for Hillary in the primaries by a sort of random vote (had no real preference). Now I'm voting for Obama. I feel positive enough about him to have his campaign sticker on my car. I don't think he's the embodiment of all things good and peaceful, as the media is making him out to be. But he's, in my opinion, a better choice than the alternative.

For me its: Paul, Barr, Nader

I don't like nader a whole lot but, he is better then most red or blue candidates.

My favorite pick right now is a tie between paul and barr, barr is more of a 'mainstream' libertarian, and he has a better chance, being younger also.

I would pretty much agree with guerilla, based on my superficial understanding of U.S. politics. What are Paul/Barrs stances on universal health care though? I mean, I would kinda self-identify as a libertarian, but I think universal health care or whatever it's called is definitely part of what a government exists for. The government should protect people of crime, but also of natural disasters and any recognized physical or mental ailment or illness as well. Basically anything that ensures safety and health if a citizen wishes for that.

Well barr and paul both don't support national health care.

So they have my vote.

I hate when people say "In europe healthcare is FREE!"

No, its not free there, its payed by taxdollars, coming from their pockets...they just don't pay at the office thats all....and they have longer waits, doctors don't get good pay. I heard most docs in the UK have a private practice on the side just to make good money.

Also, I know a few people who were treated in the UK and one woman had a broken bone, and they set the bone in wrong and it healed all retarted, so she had to get it re-broken and re-done here in the states.

makes me sick to my stomach when I hear people say they're moving to canada or the uk for healthcare, sure our healthcare system is totally broken...but the care you get is top notch..if you get the care.

I liked Obama a little more at first because he wanted to withdraw from Iraq immediately. He just changed his mind out of nowhere and now he wants to stay. That brings up another point.

This is rubbish, McCain was sprending lies about Obama changing his Iraq plan. However, if you seen the Berlin speech or go to his website it says he will withdraw the troops. I don't know what you mean immediately. 16 month withdraw time table is find, it better then ten more years in Iraq or a hundred.

So yeah, he hasen't change his Iraq plan, which because he has the support of the Iraqi prime minister then it will happen. Saying that if you want to stay in Iraq for seven or ten more years vote for McCain, if you want out vote for Obama.

makes me sick to my stomach when I hear people say they're moving to canada or the uk for healthcare, sure our healthcare system is totally broken...but the care you get is top notch..if you get the care.

Actually the NHS is actually really good healthcare. Anecdotal evidence about having bad doctors is not really reliable. If your in the UK and get sick then you get treated and it a fair system, although there is some problems. Free healthcare is good because if your poor you can get treated. America healthcare system is kind of like if your rich then your find, however if your poor then sorry.

I feel sorry for Children or people who have children and they can't get healthcare or there insurance won't pay out.

You must agree free healthcare for children http://www.naturalnews.com/020586.html unless you like sick children or something.

I'm not sure what party you are Serkat but it just makes sense for any libertarian to be against nationalized health care. We Americans need to be able to run ourselves. I have learned not to trust the government with most things, and I don't think I could trust them with providing health care.

Personally (being Libertarian), I don't like either candidate. But, McCain is much more moderate, where as Obama is the most liberal Liberal in Congress. I also disagree with a lot of his stances (Obama that is).

Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd

I'm not sure what party you are Serkat but it just makes sense for any libertarian to be against nationalized health care. We Americans need to be able to run ourselves. I have learned not to trust the government with most things, and I don't think I could trust them with providing health care.

So you are against federal police as well, and in favor of private armies?

Originally Posted by Serkat

So you are against federal police as well, and in favor of private armies?

Actually, that wouldn't work to well itself. We need as little government interference as possible, not none. The only real duty of a government in my opinion is to protect the people from harm and to change the law when it is requested. You think that would be easy in America when the government is run by the PEOPLE, but unluckily it is only run by the power-hungry people. Private health care hasn't been the best thing considering that the companies just want money, but that is what fuels free economy, and I'm sure the government would screw everything up.

Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd

Actually, that wouldn't work to well itself. I said as little government interference as possible, not none. The only real duty of a government in my opinion is to protect the people from harm

Hence socialized police, fire- and rescue-service and socialized health care.

Originally Posted by Serkat

Hence socialized police, fire- and rescue-service and socialized health care.

That is different though. Most people wouldn't trust a private company patrolling the streets arresting criminals. Doctors would be doctors whether they are hired by the government or privatized hospitals. It is the same thing. Like Guerilla said, the only difference is that people have to pay through tax rather than through payments, and we should just keep as many services out of the government's hands as possible before it becomes a communism.