Thread: Debunking The "End Of Days." (2012)

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Late-year 2012 will be a great time to pick up some great deals on the stock exchange. I know I'll definitely have some cash tucked away to pick up the run away stock crashes as the media hypes up the 2012 scaremongering. They never can resist a good apocalypse.

I wonder how many people won't buy anything for Christmas thinking the world is going to end, then they wake up on the 22nd realizing there's only a few days left to shop? Talk about crowded stores!

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Late-year 2012 will be a great time to pick up some great deals on the stock exchange.

Do you have any idea what that statement says about you?

2012 is a demonstration that proves the Mayans had a much more accurate understanding of time in relation to the rest of the working universe.

Plus, the sun will be directly in between the earth and the center of the galaxy. How they knew where the center of the galaxy was without modern technology, I don't think anyone truly knows. That being said, they were aware of something we are not currently aware of. I'm not sure about whether or not we can find out where the galaxy's center is without technology though, so I'm open to information on that. Please enlighten me

But hey, one more precession out of the earth. That's pretty cool.

With Neo's passport. Play all 4 videos simultaneously to get an artistic effect of 'End times'.

Originally Posted by invader_tech

2012 is a demonstration that proves the Mayans had a much more accurate understanding of time in relation to the rest of the working universe.

Plus, the sun will be directly in between the earth and the center of the galaxy. How they knew where the center of the galaxy was without modern technology, I don't think anyone truly knows. That being said, they were aware of something we are not currently aware of. I'm not sure about whether or not we can find out where the galaxy's center is without technology though, so I'm open to information on that. Please enlighten me

But hey, one more precession out of the earth. That's pretty cool.

It's pretty easy to determine where the galactic plane is. You can do it by looking up at the sky on a clear night and seeing the band of stars, the Milky Way. The area with the largest density of stars is the centre bulge of our galaxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_way

You don't need technology to make this assertion. Hell you don't even need a telescope. Just an eyeball.

And I'm not entirely convinced of the truth of the bolded statement above. Even if that were the case, nothing metaphysical or fantastical is going to occur. The Sun is still going to rise on the 22nd, for a lot of disappointed people I might add.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Do you have any idea what that statement says about you?

Probably that I understand principles of economics and social hysteria, but I'm sure that's not what you are implying.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Minervas.... a critical thinker

I don't think critical thinking means what you think it means.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

It's pretty easy to determine where the galactic plane is. You can do it by looking up at the sky on a clear night and seeing the band of stars, the Milky Way. The area with the largest density of stars is the centre bulge of our galaxy.

I only remember hearing (off of Discovery channel again, hah) that because of our solar system's position in the spiral, there was no way to be sure of our orientation in relation to the center. I may absolutely be wrong. I have the great displeasure of living in Los Angeles, so the whole "clear night" scenario is never going to happen (not while I'm still living here, anyways) .

But here's my bigger question: Is the sun going to be dead-on-accurate exactly in between our sun and the black hole in the center of the galaxy? If that's the case, then we probably should be giving the Mayans a little more credit than that they just have a damn accurate calendar.

There is plenty of ways to be sure. We can calculate the distances to stars with a high degree of accuracy. Get the distances to enough stars and you can do some trigonometry to figure out where you are in relation to the rest.

It doesn't matter where in the spiral you are - if you can see the centre, you have a direct line of sight to it. Unless you're referring to whether the planet lies on the exact center of the Galactic Plane, in which case someone smarter than you or I seems to have figured it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_plane

And from the other wiki I posted a few up:

The fact that the Milky Way divides the night sky into two roughly equal hemispheres indicates that our Solar System lies close to the galactic plane. The Milky Way has a relatively low surface brightness, making it difficult to see from any urban or suburban location suffering from light pollution.

and

The Apex of the Sun's Way, or the solar apex, is the direction that the Sun travels through space in the Milky Way. The general direction of the Sun's galactic motion is towards the star Vega near the constellation of Hercules, at an angle of roughly 60 sky degrees to the direction of the Galactic Center. The Sun's orbit around the Galaxy is expected to be roughly elliptical with the addition of perturbations due to the galactic spiral arms and non-uniform mass distributions. In addition the Sun oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit. This is very similar to how a simple harmonic oscillator works with no drag force (damping) term. Due to the higher density of stars close to the galactic plane, these oscillations often coincide with mass extinction periods on Earth, presumably due to increased impact events.

It takes the Solar System about 225–250 million years to complete one orbit of the galaxy (a galactic year), so it is thought to have completed 20–25 orbits during the lifetime of the Sun and 1/1250th of a revolution since the origin of humans.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I don't think critical thinking means what you think it means.

Sir, you're challenging my subjective opinion about a person. Here's a word of advice...don't.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Sir, you're challenging my subjective opinion about a person. Here's a word of advice...don't.

Internet tough guy detected.

Critical thinking consists of mental processes of discernment, analysis and evaluation. It includes possible processes of reflecting upon a tangible or intangible item in order to form a solid judgment that reconciles scientific evidence with common sense.

I'm yet to see this from her.

Justin those people don't know a thing about what's supposed to happen, they're getting all the conspiracies crossed.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Internet tough guy detected.



I'm yet to see this from her.

Then that's you. What I said I still stand by. I don't know what law you abide by that states we must agree on everything but it's a law I'm not aware of nor do I care to learn of it.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Do you have any idea what that statement says about you?

I like and respect you Minervas. Afterall, you're a critical thinker and know (like myself) that something's not quite right with the world. But c'mon, you have to admit...He makes a good point. The NYSE might do a 360 on that day.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Do you have any idea what that statement says about you?

What does the statement say about him?

Originally Posted by Schmaven

since I have became a member of this site, I have grown in so many ways, and I would definitely consider myself a better person. Most of it is because of posts like yours and others like you.

Besides an overall interest in lucid dreams. That's the only reason I am even at the site, and maybe to practice some articulation. To hear someone say exactly what you want to complete makes you feel like you at least effected something that helped. Even if it was just one person who you would never get to meet.

We aren't here to put people down or throw negativity at them. There is no purpose in responding to someone if that is your main goal.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

What does the statement say about him?

What doesn't it say? When 2012 brings to mind the stock market you're not exactly getting the purpose of it. People at wall street are not known for their selfless service or compassion. They are not particularly liked 'out there'. I didn't want to have to explain myself the point is to reflect on what kind of person you are. The subject of 2012 to any conscientious person holds more significance that a possible profit on the stock market. The truth is the stock market will probably be the least important thing by then if it hasn't completely unraveled and burst in it's fragile fraudulent bubble.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

What doesn't it say? When 2012 brings to mind the stock market you're not exactly getting the purpose of it. I don't want to have to explain myself the point is to reflect on what kind of person you are. The subject of 2012 to any conscientious person holds more significance that a possible profit on the stock market. The truth is the stock market will probably be the least important thing by then if it hasn't completely unraveled and burst it it's fragile fraudulent bubble.

Looking back on it...I don't think 2012 will have much effect on the stock market at all. I wouldn't think most people who "play the stock market" are the types to believe in such things.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Looking back on it...I don't think 2012 will have much effect on the stock market at all. I wouldn't think most people who "play the stock market" are the types to believe in such things.

Naive impressionable people sink money into the stock market every day. They are the people who are cold-called by stock broker companies and bamboozled into 'getting in on this hot stock'. Then there are people like my mother, who think they know what they are doing, and they tell you about their good trades, but they forget to mention they are about 20,000 dollars DOWN since they started trading a year earlier. Thankfully I'm from a well off family that won't miss that amount of money, because it IS a problem for her, but she doesn't see it. These people are common.

But that isn't my point. My point is that there are plenty of people out there that will eat this tripe hand over fist, and have more money than sense. I'm not saying the market will crash, but I'm fairly confident that there will be a noticeable downturn due to the impressionability of the general public. At the very least, it can't hurt to be prepared.

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd. Like the other countless predictions that came before it, nothing is going to happen.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd.

I had that idea too... Lemme check what day dec 21 2012 is on...

Ok... Friday 21. of december 2012 is now officially a party-day.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Naive impressionable people sink money into the stock market every day. They are the people who are cold-called by stock broker companies and bamboozled into 'getting in on this hot stock'. Then there are people like my mother, who think they know what they are doing, and they tell you about their good trades, but they forget to mention they are about 20,000 dollars DOWN since they started trading a year earlier. Thankfully I'm from a well off family that won't miss that amount of money, because it IS a problem for her, but she doesn't see it. These people are common.

But that isn't my point. My point is that there are plenty of people out there that will eat this tripe hand over fist, and have more money than sense. I'm not saying the market will crash, but I'm fairly confident that there will be a noticeable downturn due to the impressionability of the general public. At the very least, it can't hurt to be prepared.

I will be holding an 'End of the World' party on Dec 21st 2012, and I'll happily post the pictures here on Dec 22nd. Like the other countless predictions that came before it, nothing is going to happen.

I'm sorry to hear that about your mother. What saddens me even more is that her case is unoriginal. However, I don't think people who play the stock market should be painted in such a bad light. It is NOT like going to Las Vegas. Of course some treat it as such and that's where they get screwed, probably like your mother. I on the other hand do not play the stock market (yet)...but Warren Buffet and countless others do and they stress the importance of intrinsic value, and buying not to buy fast and sell but holding onto stock because of its intrinsic value. I'd like to think Warren Buffet is correct...after all...he owns many shares in Coca Cola and as of 2008 was declared by Forbes magazine as the richest man in the world with Bill Gates trailing in 3rd place. My point is this...if you don't take the time to invest in your education, and learn/take advice from people who are at the position that you're wanting to be at...you shouldn't risk the venture.