Thread: guns

Originally Posted by Neruo

Do none of you Americans wonder why it is that in gun-free European countries there is so little crime? And why it is not the case in those countries that criminals have gotten an advantage because of the gun-laws?

I am not saying gun-laws would certainly be completely and utterly awesome and great for America. But it is a pretty interesting question why America isn't as civil in regards of crime-levels, and what kind of faults in the system are responsible for that. Maybe it's just shit-poor education and the ghetto's, that make guns a necessary and lesser-of-two-evils part of American society.

Lets not be so misleading, go look at some worldwide crime statistics involving all sorts of crimes, not just firearms.



The EU is far more laced with crime than The US overall. Suicide rates are way higher in the Eu than in the US , and poilce per capita in EU countries is also higher than in the US. Yet with all the cops and the absence of guns, one is still more likely to be a victim of crime in the EU than in the US.

And the lists like this go on and on.

Even then, there are way worse places in the world to live in relation to crime than either the US or the EU.

Step back and take in the big picture, the true picture. Not some slighted focus like you are purporting.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Lets not be so misleading, go look at some worldwide crime statistics involving all sorts of crimes, not just firearms.



The EU is far more laced with crime than The US overall. Suicide rates are way higher in the Eu than in the US , and poilce per capita in EU countries is also higher than in the US. Yet with all the cops and the absence of guns, one is still more likely to be a victim of crime in the EU than in the US.

And the lists like this go on and on.

Even then, there are way worse places in the world to live in relation to crime than either the US or the EU.

Step back and take in the big picture, the true picture. Not some slighted focus like you are purporting.

Uh, please look at the comparative population densities of Europe, and the USA (and its obvious implication on crime levels), before you continue on that conclusion. The bigger picture.

The area's (km2) of Europe and the USA are roughly the same (with Europe having a 5-10% larger land area than the USA). Whereas Europe has a staggering 730, 000, 000 population, comapred to the USA's 300, 000, 000. Giving Europe a population density of 70 (people per km2) to the USA's 30. Does this account for anything?

Originally Posted by Аарон

Uh, please look at the comparative population densities of Europe, and the USA (and its obvious implication on crime levels), before you continue on that conclusion. The bigger picture.

The area's (km2) of Europe and the USA are roughly the same (with Europe having a 5-10% larger land area than the USA). Whereas Europe has a staggering 730, 000, 000 population, comapred to the USA's 300, 000, 000. Giving Europe a population density of 70 (people per km2) to the USA's 30. Does this account for anything?

Sure it does. Maybe in denser populated areas it might make sense to curtail the availability of firearms, but by the same token if everyone was able to pak a gun and legally use it, crime would also plummet.
This is evidenced in the state by state statistics in the US. States with right to carry laws have significantly lower rates of crime that states that dont.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Lets not be so misleading, go look at some worldwide crime statistics involving all sorts of crimes, not just firearms.



The EU is far more laced with crime than The US overall. Suicide rates are way higher in the Eu than in the US , and poilce per capita in EU countries is also higher than in the US. Yet with all the cops and the absence of guns, one is still more likely to be a victim of crime in the EU than in the US.

And the lists like this go on and on.

Even then, there are way worse places in the world to live in relation to crime than either the US or the EU.

Step back and take in the big picture, the true picture. Not some slighted focus like you are purporting.

Do actually google something like 'us lower crime rate than europe'.

First 3 hits I found were about 'if we don't count blacks, America wins!'

You fucking racist.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Do actually google something like 'us lower crime rate than europe'.

First 3 hits I found were about 'if we don't count blacks, America wins!'

You fucking racist.

I just googled "World Crime Statistics" and found a load of information on all sorts of crime categories, general and per/capita as well.

Goebbels would be proud of you and your misinformation and propaganda.


You should take you jack boots off and let some of the blood circulate back into your head,,,,,,

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Originally Posted by ClouD

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Does anyone else think that crime rates have more to do with morality and intelligence of the average person than availibility of guns? Of course guns play a role in the amount of crime, but it doesn't create or eliminate crime. MOst people who legally own guns in the US don't use them for crimes. If you ban guns, don't plan on criminals deciding to just turn their guns in.

Maybe a better way to reduce crime would be to fix the school system and work to reduce poverty.

Originally Posted by stonedape

Does anyone else think that crime rates have more to do with morality and intelligence of the average person than availibility of guns? Of course guns play a role in the amount of crime, but it doesn't create or eliminate crime. MOst people who legally own guns in the US don't use them for crimes. If you ban guns, don't plan on criminals deciding to just turn their guns in.

Maybe a better way to reduce crime would be to fix the school system and work to reduce poverty.

I agree. We need to EDUCATE!
*ahem*
Cause of Crime:
Reasons for committing a crime include greed, anger, jealously, revenge, or pride. Some people decide to commit a crime and carefully plan everything in advance to increase gain and decrease risk. These people are making choices about their behavior; some even consider a life of crime better than a regular job—believing crime brings in greater rewards, admiration, and excitement—at least until they are caught. Others get an adrenaline rush when successfully carrying out a dangerous crime. Others commit crimes on impulse, out of rage or fear.

The desire for material gain (money or expensive belongings) leads to property crimes such as robberies, burglaries, white-collar crimes, and auto thefts. The desire for control, revenge, or power leads to violent crimes such as murders, assaults, and rapes. These violent crimes usually occur on impulse or the spur of the moment when emotions run high. Property crimes are usually planned in advance.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/12004/Causes-Crime.html

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

I just googled "World Crime Statistics" and found a load of information on all sorts of crime categories, general and per/capita as well.

Goebbels would be proud of you and your misinformation and propaganda.


You should take you jack boots off and let some of the blood circulate back into your head,,,,,,

I have a Goebbels lunch box.

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I have a Goebbels lunch box.

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

The amount of crime in this country has much more to do with our hotshot attitudes, money chasing, money obsessed, supremist attitude. If you haven't noticed, Americans like to stand out a lot. Well, for the most part. Our crime levels have nothing to do with our laws about guns. They have to do with our obsession with money.

...and hence selfishness and lack of social responsibility. I completely agree. Parents do nothing to teach their children otherwise, nor do their friends, teachers, or the unlimited capitalist system.

This policy divides us more than anything else ever could. "It's not personal, it's just business".

That's the problem. Nothing is personal.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

The amount of crime in this country has much more to do with our hotshot attitudes, money chasing, money obsessed, supremist attitude. If you haven't noticed, Americans like to stand out a lot. Well, for the most part. Our crime levels have nothing to do with our laws about guns. They have to do with our obsession with money.

Getting shot in the face does have somthing to do with guns, right?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Getting shot in the face does have somthing to do with guns, right?

I'm trying to prove a point that abolishing our right to weapons won't have much of an effect on crime. Criminals will keep their illegal guns and the good people will have to turn in all their registered guns.

But, I suppose you think that little bit of difference it would make is worth it? I mean, if abolishing gun rights could save one human life, it must be worth it right?

What happens if some V for Vendetta shit happens and our government goes wack and the American population wants to rebell? The government will laugh at our pitchforks and shovels as their soldiers come in our homes. And don't say it could never happen. I seriously doubt the pot you smoke lets you see into the future.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, America has 3 times more people in prison, per citizen, than European countries. Also far more than Russian and China.

It's fun if you want to pay a lot of tax money, but it really makes you wonder about America's way of dealing with, (and creating of,) crime.

I believe I recently read that over 1/3 of all US convicts are actually in there for second/third strike drug possession. This is what the highly unsuccessful 'War on Drugs' has given the US - an overcrowded prison system full of people who shouldn't be in there in the first place. On the inside they mix with the harder criminals and can potentially come out a lot worse than they went in.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What if you need to defend yourself against the military or swat team?

What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by Alextanium

What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

The Iraqis and Afghanis seem to be doing it just fine.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

What average citizen has a hope in hell of defending themselves against a fully armed and trained SWAT team even WITH automatic weapons?

One way or the other, average citizens are not the ones who want to buy automatic weapons, and they aren't the ones that are going to be standing up during a time of government oppression/civil unrest. I personally think buying an automatic rifle through legal means is a hindrance to any act of rebellion rather than helpful because what it does first and foremost is put you on a list of people to go after first once the shit hits the fan.

All I'm saying is, reserving the most effective killing machines for people in positions of authority, or working directly for that authority, is dangerous for the common man, unless you trust that authority explicitly and in all situations; which I have to say, I don't.