Question to skeptics regarding ufo footage

[Dreamhope11]

You says it's an obvious fake if it's a bright shiny clear image or film, you say it's fake when the camera man can't keep still or the image isnt crystal clear! So how the heck do we film what appeares to us as a UFO to suit the skeptics? How?

[Never]

The idea is to identify the unidentified object; therefore we try to do just that as best we can. What are you trying to convince people of? Aliens? (not being an ass, just asking). While this is very remotely possible, it would require an immense amount of evidence supported by many. Even a video that is labeled as a UFO, that is in the strict definition, that in itself does not suggest aliens, just that we have not figured out what it is. Nobody is being skeptical over the idea that the object is unidentified; that is, until it is identified. You have to be more specific.

[Dreamhope11]

I do know what a UFO is jeeez, re-read the question and answer it.

[Never]

I did smartass.

[drewmandan]

The idea is to identify the unidentified object; therefore we try to do just that as best we can. What are you trying to convince people of? Aliens? (not being an ass, just asking). While this is very remotely possible, it would require an immense amount of evidence supported by many. Even a video that is labeled as a UFO, that is in the strict definition, that in itself does not suggest aliens, just that we have not figured out what it is. Nobody is being skeptical over the idea that the object is unidentified; that is, until it is identified. You have to be more specific. Agree 100%. No one argues that the object is unidentified, but rather that the object is aliens. There is nothing in any video presented thus far that rules out alternative explanations and preserves the "aliens did it" explanation.

[Dreamhope11]

You still haven't answered "how" we can film or take pics of a UFO without it being crystal clear and being called a fake or being too crap and being called a fake. I dont need a lecture on whether they are aliens or not.

[Xei]

A lot of the time, nobody questions that the unidentified objects are real. However, all of the time, people will question your lunatic theory that a blob of light is in fact a plasma based space cruiser taking a race of bovine creatures on a tour of our solar system, and not in fact a distant ferry on the horizon or some other vastly more plausible idea; if you don't offer any proof, that is. Have you got any proof or any convincing footage? Please show it to us if you do. In your next post. Be warned that failing to do so will classify you as a doublethinking douchebag. The choice is yours.

[drewmandan]

You still haven't answered "how" we can film or take pics of a UFO without it being crystal clear and being called a fake or being too crap and being called a fake. I dont need a lecture on whether they are aliens or not. How about footage of a UFO from a few feet away, clearly showing that it's not just a mockup, and not being CG?

[Never]

You still haven't answered "how" we can film or take pics of a UFO without it being crystal clear and being called a fake or being too crap and being called a fake. I dont need a lecture on whether they are aliens or not. A fake what? A UFO? An Alien spacecraft? A flying hotdog stand? I assumed you were talking about either A: UFOs, or B: Alien Spacecraft. I have answered this question. Proof of a UFO is self evident; photos of UFOs do not prove aliens. No need to get all pissy because you don't understand or refuse to understand the answer. Edit: To put it simply, a photo can be manipulated as can a video, but even were this not so, it makes the entire thing irrelevant.

[O'nus]

Film it in a way that clearly identifies the unidentified flying object. I could randomly flash my camera out the window and likely get a blur of a person and say, "See, that's my friend Bob" but you wouldn't know for certain. I am merely being presumptuous. You would need a clear and identifiable picture of Bob before you knew it was Bob. What's left after that is questioning editing of the footage. In this case, you would need to film it in a place in which we could also go to and see this object. Or, you could film it in such a way to remove possible editing possibilities (eg. with another skeptic, robot controlled camera, etc.) Of course, these are far too difficult for people to do for UFO's which is exactly why they live on.. ~

[Black_Eagle]

I think the proof that UFOs exist lies not within flawed video and photo evidence, but within the fact that thousands upon thousands of people have reported UFO sightings both in our present days, and years passed. There's also the fact that there are the testimonials of people on the inside of the government who have come forward to share their stories. Also...in ancient times there were various depictions of UFOs which makes it evident that ancient people also experienced these sightings. Now, I have no idea what UFOs are, but something is going on here.

[O'nus]

I think the proof that UFOs exist lies not within flawed video and photo evidence, but within the fact that thousands upon thousands of people have reported UFO sightings both in our present days, and years passed. There's also the fact that there are the testimonials of people on the inside of the government who have come forward to share their stories. Also...in ancient times there were various depictions of UFOs which makes it evident that ancient people also experienced these sightings. Now, I have no idea what UFOs are, but something is going on here. Also, there are millions of people who have attested to the existance of Thor and Zeus. In fact, there are papyrus letters in Egypt and Italy of people saying they were raped by Zeus himself. Furthermore, have you heard of the great Temple of Pergamum? It has depictions of all these Gods! None of this means that these Gods existed. The same applies to UFO's. ~

[drewmandan]

I think the proof that UFOs exist lies not within flawed video and photo evidence, but within the fact that thousands upon thousands of people have reported UFO sightings both in our present days, and years passed. There's also the fact that there are the testimonials of people on the inside of the government who have come forward to share their stories. Also...in ancient times there were various depictions of UFOs which makes it evident that ancient people also experienced these sightings. Now, I have no idea what UFOs are, but something is going on here. You do know what UFO stands for, right? Unidentified Flying Object. It's an object...that's in the air...that you can't identify. The skeptics are not skeptical that there have been objects in the air that weren't identified. That probably happens thousands of times a day. Hell, it happens to me every time I see a plane at night. I don't know it's a plane. It might not be a plane. I can't really see too well in the dark. But I still conclude that it's a plane because aliens have no reason to conform to Canadian aircraft running light standards. You 'believers' seem to have a LOT of trouble understanding this very simple concept. The unidentified part is obvious. If you say you can't identify it, it's unidentified. But you then skip to aliens for some reason. But that's the hard part of the proof, that they're aliens, not that they're unidentified. If you say you can't identify it, then I believe you can't identify it. But you still have to prove that it's aliens and not one of the millions of other things it could be.

[nitsuJ]

You says it's an obvious fake if it's a bright shiny clear image or film, you say it's fake when the camera man can't keep still or the image isnt crystal clear! So how the heck do we film what appeares to us as a UFO to suit the skeptics? How? We're not skeptical of UFO's, everyone knows UFO's exist obviously. We just don't believe they're green-skinned, bug-eyed aliens in the aircrafts. Most of the time the videos and pictures are blurry and shitty, and it could be anything. Sort of like the video of the lights in Nevada, or wherever the hell it was, people were like "ZOMG ALEEANZ!!!11" when in fact it was balloons with road flares attached to them. If we can't tell what it is, it's unidentifiable, but we're not going to jump to the conclusion that it must be a flock of E.T.s coming to take our bags of M&Ms. A lot of the time, nobody questions that the unidentified objects are real. However, all of the time, people will question your lunatic theory that a blob of light is in fact a plasma based space cruiser taking a race of bovine creatures on a tour of our solar system, and not in fact a distant ferry on the horizon or some other vastly more plausible idea; if you don't offer any proof, that is. Have you got any proof or any convincing footage? Please show it to us if you do. In your next post. Be warned that failing to do so will classify you as a doublethinking douchebag. The choice is yours. WIN.

[Dreamhope11]

O'nus i thank you for that reply. Xei what the hell are you talking about? I have not once claimed in this thread that i have footage, so where are you coming from? I haven't mentioned aliens either, thats why i say ufo, i dont say alien spacecraft.

[Xei]

Congratulations, doublethinking douchebag classification has been confirmed. This You says it's an obvious fake if it's a bright shiny clear image or film, you say it's fake when the camera man can't keep still or the image isnt crystal clear! So how the heck do we film what appeares to us as a UFO to suit the skeptics? How? implies that there is some material which skeptics are ignoring even though it does not simply look like a blurry photo of a street lamp. That was obviously the whole point of your thread. But when challenged to present said material, it turned out that actually there isn't any, and your only response now is to go into incredulous denial (see above). This thread has now been stripped of any meaning or purpose whatsoever and I deem it closed.

[juroara]

to answer the question there has to be a reference to the ground in the picture too many fakes just capture the sky where its easy to insert any old image the reference to the ground will help give scale, the more references to the surrounding area the better. if its at night, you need reference to the skyline even more. such as when people record 'marfa lights' or other hot spots. just a black background is no good a higher definition camera. . . a camera that uses film is probably even better your hand shouldn't shake so much that it would be completely and utterly unstable and don't bother anyones time if its just a white dot in the sky. there are many stories of UFOs being much closer to the ground, in full detail. I want to see that film! recording peoples reactions is also a plus! if there is something strange in the sky, other people would notice and look at the same spot! and if you have a buddy in town, call him up and get him on his camera at the same time where ever he's at. two cameras going off from different angles viewing the same thing is a bonus is it evidence? no. but it makes it that much harder to hoax

[iLight]

Well picture your self standing under a UFO, outstandingly u have a camera with you, so as a naive human you decide to Film that UFO. Everything goes well, until u realize that u were shaking all over the film. With wonder and fear, you decide to publish the video, which eventually will get confiscated by a CIA or FBI agent, as a Home Land Security measure. Or, you will get lucky and get away with the film, which means, they will let you have the video published, so they just send a skeptic on you, who has a reputable seat in the community, and grands you a title of Fake. In either way you loose, because no one in the government will ever acknowledge an extraterrestrial existence beyond their control. You don't want your sheep's run all over you do you? There's no point on debating skeptics, there's no point of debating believers, because both sides live under the same roof and control. Its obvious, We cannot have evidence, without us putting our nose into it. Until we smell it, and see it, we start to realize how stupid we actually are.

[DuB]

I hate to nitpick, but sometimes I just can't help myself... is it evidence? no. but it makes it that much harder to hoax Well, it would be evidence, but what it would not be is proof. Which is, I'm sure, what you meant.

[drewmandan]

to answer the question there has to be a reference to the ground in the picture too many fakes just capture the sky where its easy to insert any old image the reference to the ground will help give scale, the more references to the surrounding area the better. if its at night, you need reference to the skyline even more. such as when people record 'marfa lights' or other hot spots. just a black background is no good a higher definition camera. . . a camera that uses film is probably even better your hand shouldn't shake so much that it would be completely and utterly unstable and don't bother anyones time if its just a white dot in the sky. there are many stories of UFOs being much closer to the ground, in full detail. I want to see that film! recording peoples reactions is also a plus! if there is something strange in the sky, other people would notice and look at the same spot! and if you have a buddy in town, call him up and get him on his camera at the same time where ever he's at. two cameras going off from different angles viewing the same thing is a bonus is it evidence? no. but it makes it that much harder to hoax Even with all that though, all you have good evidence for is a real, physical object. You've ruled out CGI hoaxes, but you still haven't provided a single shred of evidence suggesting "aliens".

[juroara]

Even with all that though, all you have good evidence for is a real, physical object. You've ruled out CGI hoaxes, but you still haven't provided a single shred of evidence suggesting "aliens". even if someone recorded ALIENS coming out of the space craft, walking around in daylight, its still doesn't mean aliens! evidence proof, excuse my horrible grammar even if the aliens walking out the spacecraft, talked, opening their mouths, or blinked - thanks to hollywood you can have super awesome costumes that do that! it would remain an enigmatic mystery not unlike the famous bigfoot video and hell, things are even stranger in the UFO community, where they claim - if you do see an alien being its probably not an alien but a life form grown in a lab made to make you think its an alien, but really its still humanity pulling the strings thanks the UFO enthusiasts, they just made it that much harder. we wouldn't only have to prod the poor visitor to check if its alive and not human, but now we would have to look at its dna and ask if it looks like a bunch of earth animals lumped together to create the biggest hoax the world has ever seen. bluebeam?

[drewmandan]

even if someone recorded ALIENS coming out of the space craft, walking around in daylight, its still doesn't mean aliens! evidence proof, excuse my horrible grammar even if the aliens walking out the spacecraft, talked, opening their mouths, or blinked - thanks to hollywood you can have super awesome costumes that do that! it would remain an enigmatic mystery not unlike the famous bigfoot video and hell, things are even stranger in the UFO community, where they claim - if you do see an alien being its probably not an alien but a life form grown in a lab made to make you think its an alien, but really its still humanity pulling the strings thanks the UFO enthusiasts, they just made it that much harder. we wouldn't only have to prod the poor visitor to check if its alive and not human, but now we would have to look at its dna and ask if it looks like a bunch of earth animals lumped together to create the biggest hoax the world has ever seen. bluebeam? What is it with you people that you're so fucking dense you can't understand the difference between UFO and aliens? UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens.

[juroara]

What is it with you people that you're so fucking dense you can't understand the difference between UFO and aliens? UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. UFO =/= aliens. who is dense now? when I was agreeing?

[drewmandan]

who is dense now? when I was agreeing? You missed my point. Proof that there's a shiny metal object in the sky is just proof that there is a shiny metal object in the sky. That does not get you any closer to proving any crazy nut job theory, including aliens.

[Black_Eagle]

You do know what UFO stands for, right? Unidentified Flying Object. It's an object...that's in the air...that you can't identify. The skeptics are not skeptical that there have been objects in the air that weren't identified. That probably happens thousands of times a day. Hell, it happens to me every time I see a plane at night. I don't know it's a plane. It might not be a plane. I can't really see too well in the dark. But I still conclude that it's a plane because aliens have no reason to conform to Canadian aircraft running light standards. You 'believers' seem to have a LOT of trouble understanding this very simple concept. The unidentified part is obvious. If you say you can't identify it, it's unidentified. But you then skip to aliens for some reason. But that's the hard part of the proof, that they're aliens, not that they're unidentified. If you say you can't identify it, then I believe you can't identify it. But you still have to prove that it's aliens and not one of the millions of other things it could be. On the other hand people really do just ignore the fact that there is something in the air that cannot be identified as a plane. It's something that isn't paid much attention by the world.