Thread: Blakesawake Discussion - Truth, is it speakable?

DV, discuss, and contribute what you'd like to to the topic of the discussion.

[Blakesawake] 1:02 am: as you think, so you are.
[Blakesawake] 1:02 am: our minds are powerful
[ClouD] 1:03 am: so, if you're not 'your' mind?
[Blakesawake] 1:03 am: the reason for the circumstances of how you feel about your life comes from the way you are thinking
[ClouD] 1:03 am: but isn't it only 'your' mind feeling it then?
[Blakesawake] 1:04 am: everything starts with the thought
[Blakesawake] 1:04 am: yes
[ClouD] 1:04 am: then 'as you think, so you are' and 'our minds are powerful' are not applicable
[Blakesawake] 1:04 am: explain
[ClouD] 1:05 am: i thought the contradiction was obvious
[Blakesawake] 1:05 am: your mind is you
[Blakesawake] 1:05 am: connected to your body
[ClouD] 1:05 am: then why 'our'?
[ClouD] 1:05 am: why 'your'?
[Blakesawake] 1:05 am: our minds are us
[Blakesawake] 1:06 am: anyway
[ClouD] 1:06 am: how can you perceive the perceiver
[ClouD] 1:06 am: unless you're not the perceiver
[ClouD] 1:06 am: in which you won't be perceiving
[Blakesawake] 1:06 am: the way you think sculpts the way you will be and how things work out
[ClouD] 1:07 am: what 'will be' is no more or less than now, and what was, is right now
[ClouD] 1:07 am: you can't add or subtract to what is
[Blakesawake] 1:07 am: the way you think sculpts the way you are and will continue to be
[ClouD] 1:08 am: continuation is false, each moment is unique
[ClouD] 1:08 am: nothing can truthfully be said
[ClouD] 1:08 am: but because everything that is said IS, it is truth
[Blakesawake] 1:09 am: the truth can truthfully be said
[ClouD] 1:09 am: symbolically.
[ClouD] 1:09 am: truth is subjective within terms.
[ClouD] 1:09 am: because terms are subjective
[Blakesawake] 1:09 am: for me to say, I am 100 ft tall
[Blakesawake] 1:10 am: this would be a lie
[Blakesawake] 1:10 am: therefore it is not truth
[ClouD] 1:10 am: if you can define something by itself it is pack and parcel, the same
[ClouD] 1:10 am: truth: not a lie
[ClouD] 1:10 am: lie: not truth
[Blakesawake] 1:10 am: truth is whats underneath all the lies of our daily lives
[ClouD] 1:11 am: why underneath?
[ClouD] 1:11 am: why not within, and without?
[Blakesawake] 1:11 am: maybe above
[Blakesawake] 1:11 am: just a figure of speech
[ClouD] 1:11 am: so is everything said
[ClouD] 1:11 am: hence, untrue?
[Blakesawake] 1:12 am: ...?
[Blakesawake] 1:12 am: you make no sense
[ClouD] 1:12 am: no, what i said is logical
[ClouD] 1:12 am: everything spoken is speech
[Blakesawake] 1:12 am: yes
[ClouD] 1:12 am: speech holds figures, strings of concepts attributed to sounds
[ClouD] 1:13 am: everything is figuratively speaking
[Blakesawake] 1:13 am: so is everything said "hence" untrue?
[Blakesawake] 1:13 am: what
[DV Chat]: Aaron has entered at 1:13 am
[ClouD] 1:13 am: 'just a figure of speech', i assumed it was a discounting
[Blakesawake] 1:13 am: hey aaron
[ClouD] 1:13 am: 'just'
[ClouD] 1:13 am: hi aaron
[Aaron] 1:13 am: Hello.
[Blakesawake] 1:14 am: I grow weary of you cloud
[ClouD] 1:14 am: then go back to sleep
[Blakesawake] 1:14 am: dont address me with your speech
[Blakesawake] 1:14 am: please
[ClouD] 1:14 am: please sir please
[ClouD] 1:14 am: i haven't addressed you since the first few lines you've entered
[ClouD] 1:15 am: if you mean 'don't speak to me'
[ClouD] 1:15 am: then click my name and select ignore.
[ClouD] 1:15 am: it means you can be deaf
[HyperNova] 1:15 am: Hello Aaaron
[HyperNova] 1:15 am: *Aaron
[Aaron] 1:15 am: Hi.
[ClouD] 1:15 am: 'ignorant', mr wise
[Blakesawake] 1:16 am: your quality of life is how you want it
[Blakesawake] 1:16 am: right now
[ClouD] 1:16 am: there is no quality bar that i'm adjusting
[ClouD] 1:16 am: if you discriminate between quality
[ClouD] 1:16 am: then you value one thing over another?
[Blakesawake] 1:16 am: we have everything we need to live the life we want to live
[ClouD] 1:17 am: i see why you talk about the future and past as being that which isn't now
[ClouD] 1:17 am: not neccesarily
[ClouD] 1:17 am: there's chlidren starving and wanting food
[ClouD] 1:17 am: that they just can't get
[ClouD] 1:17 am: because there's not enough food to go round
[Blakesawake] 1:17 am: the ones who can read me
[ClouD] 1:17 am: wants are a projection onto the future
[Blakesawake] 1:17 am: have everything they need to live the life they want to live
[ClouD] 1:18 am: yes, those who aren't blind
[ClouD] 1:18 am: but me, i have my computer speak every bit of text out loud
[Blakesawake] 1:18 am: and hopefully the life they want to live includes bringing food to those people
[ClouD] 1:18 am: oh, lulz
[ClouD] 1:18 am: so you agree your statement before was false?
[ClouD] 1:18 am: untruthful?
[Blakesawake] 1:19 am: no
[ClouD] 1:19 am: yet here you are trying so hard to 'speak truth truthfully'
[ClouD] 1:19 am: so those children don't really want food?
[Blakesawake] 1:19 am: I was talking about these who are in here
[ClouD] 1:19 am: and why on earth would you bring them it then?
[ClouD] 1:19 am: oh right, well i'm not hungry
[ClouD] 1:20 am: is ignored, congratulations
[DV Chat]: Blakesawake has left at 1:21 am

Anyone want to? As long as it doesn't involve me being put on ignore.

So, the topic is the possibility of speaking truth. In speaking I mean using words.