For All You People Whining About The War In Iraq

[Hominus Feralis]

Sorry, Seeker, but there's gonna be a tad bit of flaming here. Leo, I just read in one of your posts that you think Iraq would have been better off if Sadam was still in power. Who the hell gave you the right to make that kind of dumbass, ignorant statement. Have you ever been to pre or post war Iraq? Do you know what went on there before and after the takeover. NO. All your puny, liberal, inconsistent, opinionated brain knows is what CNN and NBC tell you. Anyone with half a brain knows that it is not a protest against the war. Its the same old fight between conservatives and liberals for power. The war is simply a tool to embarass Bush. I have talked to several Marines, Airmen, and Amry footsoldiers, all of whom are connected to a Marine i work with. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them saw the terror Sadam caused and how happy the Iraqis were to see salvation. Quit your little flagburning statements about blaming America first and look at which is the more evil country. And really you have no basis behind what you say. I dont see your life in the line of danger. You dont get shot at everyday and have to worry about mortors hitting your tent. You just sit back in comphy, old America and formulate opioions about shit you have no idea about. Our soldiers lay down their lives everyday, but since you have no experience with that sort of situation you cant understand the value of a single human life besides your own. Ok...........time to cool down Sorry seeker

[nina]

Haha, wow...you've made some really idiotic statements and assumptions in this post and come off sounding...well...a bit ignorant. Sorry. You just sit back in comphy, old America and formulate opioions about shit you have no idea about.[/b] - lmao @ that statement *shakes her head*

[Howie]

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.[/b] That's all.

[shark!]

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.[/b] you're not seriously claiming that's what the war in Iraq is?...are you? personaly I do think we should question where are armies are...what they do...which children they kill... OR we could do what the condescending man quoted is saying...

[wombing]

saddam oppressed, tortured, killed, deceived. some of the american occupiers have oppressed, tortured, killed, deceived. it would be better if neither saddam or unkie sam were in power. i really cannot say whether or not one or the other is "better'. it would take years of meticulous research to forumulate an opinion without sounding ignorant. however, it does seem that saddam has one thing going for him that the yanks don't. he actually had the country under control.

[Hominus Feralis]

first of all, thank you howetzer Second, im really glad to see there are some "blame america first" people here how were my statements ignorant? noboby knows whats going on over there except the military and the news lies to you. This is nothing new by the way, howetzer, where did you get that text. MIKEY LIKES IT!!!

[Kaniaz]

The people that have benefited most from the War on Iraq most is not America or Iraq, I think it's probably the media. That is to say, it's been a great catalyst for scandal, hysteria and finger pointing - basically what 90% of the media lives for. (Although it's far from impossible to get the straight facts if you look hard enough). Still, just food for thought. I would be an ass if I made a comment on the war on Iraq. I don't know nearly enough about it and it's pretty difficult to get a fact without bias. So, sorry, but I just can't form an opinon. That said, nearly everyone in this thread so far has used - not enteriely, though - ad hominems to prove their argument. Oops.

[Jess]

That said, nearly everyone in this thread so far has used - not enteriely, though - ad hominems to prove their argument. Oops.[/b] Isn't saying that ad hominems?

[Hominus Feralis]

kaniaz, why cant everyone on earth be like you? You should be PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!!!&# 33;!!!!!!!!

[Gwendolyn]

The war in Iraq wasn't even about Saddam, guys. Of course he needed to be taken down, but he was pretty much used as a 'reason' to go to war. Hell, the only reason that we're there is because of the stake in the oil companies the President and Cheney have. Saddam never had any weapons, and although he was a cruel motherfucker, we had no reason to to any of the things we did. I appreciate our military deeply, but I wish they would bring our boys back, so that no more die for a war that is being performed because of the president's whims...So, fuck the war...I guess that's my bottom line.

[Hominus Feralis]

very valid point gwendolyn

[NeAvO]

The war in Iraq wasn't even about Saddam, guys. Of course he needed to be taken down, but he was pretty much used as a 'reason' to go to war. Hell, the only reason that we're there is because of the stake in the oil companies the President and Cheney have. Saddam never had any weapons, and although he was a cruel motherfucker, we had no reason to to any of the things we did. I appreciate our military deeply, but I wish they would bring our boys back, so that no more die for a war that is being performed because of the president's whims...So, fuck the war...I guess that's my bottom line. [/b] Yup thats exactly what I thought, around a year after Saddam was caught England, USA and Russia opened oil plants. Btw why are soldiers still out there anyway?

[Oneironaut Zero]

Exactly. @ Gwen Btw why are soldiers still out there anyway? [/b] To uphold the illusion that the war is honorable, logical and/or justified, at the cost of their lives - tragically following the strings at the ends of the puppet masters' fingers.

[Leo Volont]

Do you know what went on there before and after the takeover. [/b] Yes, I know all about it. You see, I'm educated. What we had under Saddam Hussein was a Secular Government that was suppressing the revolutionary tendencies of both the Sunni Fundamental Sects and the Shia Fundamentalist Sects. Also Iraq's secular government was managing the Kurdish Revolutionaries in the North who wanted to tear Iraq apart to create an independent Kurdestan -- just so their own fat cats could have their own tyrany. And the Saddam Government was able to do this, to maintain Peace and Order with relatively little duress or bloodshed, when compared to how much Blood and Duress the Americans have been using without the leanest fraction of the success that Saddam had with his regime. You see, what all too many idiots forget is that Saddam was once handpicked by the CIA simply because he was the best man for the job. A Secularist. for 8 years Saddam fought against Iran, as America's Surrogate. he took Kuwait because he thought that after spending 1,000,000 Iraqi Lives for a War waged entirely for American Self Interests, that he deserved it. That Iraq deserved it. Afterall, Bush, the Old Bush, had been CIA Director all the time when Saddam Hussein was fighting as America's Proxy againt Iran. What had to have happened was that George Bush Sr made a promise to Saddam Hussein. "You fight this War against Iran, and we will let you take Kuwait". Why else do you think that the moment George Bush Sr became President that Hussein would invade Kuwait. he was merely collecting on an old debt. And why shouldn't we have allowed Iraq to take possession of kuwait? What is Kuwait but some Royal Scam. It is a Make Believe Country made up from Nothing during the Damned Treaty of Versailles after the First War. Why the hell should any Arab or Turk look upon any of those borders as Real. What gives Englishmen and Frenchmen the right? War. Well what War can take away, then War can take back. But George Bush Sr.... who knows what he had promised Saddam when he was CIA Director. For all we know, he may have promised Saddam all of Saudi Arabia too. Remember, Old Bush never imagined he would ever become President. He never thought that far ahead. But Old Bush -- all his Family Money was tied up in Arabian Oil. And so he needed a War to buffer Saddam away from Arabia. But once the Arabian border was secure. Bush backed off. He knew that Saddam's Secular Regime was the BEST POSSIBLE GOVERNMENT for Iraq. That it offered stability. I often wonder why Clinton didn't lighten up and bring Saddam back into the good graces of America. Perhaps it was because Clinton has to appease all thos Assholes on the Religious Conservative Right who absolutely insisted that America make every Non-Jew in the World some enemy of the state. Clinton could never ignore a political poll, and American's loved to hate Saddam Hussein, no matter how good he was. yes, I would bring back Saddam and the whole Bathist Party, and give them 200 Billion Dollars, while signing over every piece of American Military Hardware in the Country. he would be able to reestablish Order, and he would bring back Secular Government. That is what we want, isn't it? So why the hell are we now supporting a Government of Sunni and Shia Fundamentalists? We made enemies of our Real Friends, and made Friends of all our Real Enemies. And most stupid idiot retarded asshole conservatives jerkoffs don't know the difference. You guys just want blood and don't care who does the bleeding.

[Kaniaz]

Isn't saying that ad hominems? [/b] Can be, but I figure only if I say "You're a dumbass for using ad hominems" (and the rest of your argument doesn't mean crap). kaniaz, why cant everyone on earth be like you? You should be PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!!!&# 33;!!!!!!!![/b] I agree completely. Except being the Prime Minister means you have to be this 50something guy who has no interest in improving anything except his bottom line. (Only kidding. I don't think he's corrupt, but I had fun writing 'bottom&#39. EDIT: Either Leo types really fast or has been there for about an hour, 'cause his post so wasn't there when I replied.

[Hominus Feralis]

our soldiers are out there because they were ordered to. When you are in the military you are military property. Not following orders results in charges of insubordination and prison time. They do so because they are told, not because war is honorable

[Secret Neo]

There were only two wars worth fighting, WW2 and the war on terror (in AFGANISTAN&#33. Thats it. The rest were pointless, especially Iraq. Yay! u got saddam!, so just get the fuck outta there then! Actaully, the only pointless war not started by Americans was WW1. So think bout the rest. And Americans are so gunhappy that they started a war with THEMSELVES!

[NeAvO]

our soldiers are out there because they were ordered to. When you are in the military you are military property. Not following orders results in charges of insubordination and prison time. They do so because they are told, not because war is honorable [/b] No I mean why are they still being sent there, is there a point in them being ordered to stay over there?

[badassbob]

No I mean why are they still being sent there, is there a point in them being ordered to stay over there? [/b] You mean why are there still soldiers in Iraq? They are there in a feeble attempt to keep the peace. There are suicide bombers still, and US and British soldiers are attacked regularly by the al qaeda. They are attempting to stop all hell from breaking loose so that Iraqs government can rebuild their country.

[Hominus Feralis]

Alright, lets see...... REBUILDING A COUNTRY TAKES TIME JACKASSES. If we left now there would be a civil war, and even more people would die. Liberals are gonna come one here and say, there would be no furture civil war if we never attacked. No, there would be a crazy dictator with a nuclear bomb. Now the liberals would say "they never found any nuclear bombs, waaaaaa, waaaaaaaaa". No, but we found uranium, a necessity for nukes. But no,no let me guess, he wasnt using them for nuclear bombs to kill people. Why would sadam do that? He was actually using it to power a flux capacitor for his time machine made out of a Dolorian so he could go back in time to win the first Gulf War!!!!!!!!!&# 33;!!!!!!! So, what do you think the uranium was being used for. Leo, i await your response

[Gwendolyn]

There were only two wars worth fighting, WW2 and the war on terror (in AFGANISTAN&#33. Thats it. [/b] The war on 'terror' in Afganistan? The war on terror is a joke. Anytime anyone declares war on an idea, it isn't worth fighting, and it is a way to take America's attention away from the fucked up things that are happening involving our Government. At no point are we going to say, "That's it! We've got em' all guys!". It's just like the war on drugs....It's just not a worthy or practical cause.

[Hominus Feralis]

Alright, this is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. This should please liberals enough to shut them up. Iraq was an example. We chose them to show the world what happens when our country gets attacked. The terrorists meant to bring our counrty to our knees, when in fact they just sckrewed themselves. They brought destruction upon their organizations. Now the part that libs wont like, We have to make a point that when 3000 american civilians die, 30,000 enemy civilians must die. If we keep this campaign of total destruction, no middle eastern terrorist will ever attack again. He will know that it will bring death to his family and countrymen. We have to make the idea of attacking americans so horrifying that it will cease to exist. Otherwise, our country WILL be brought to its knees. Why dont you just cut off your balls and send it to the terrorist with a little not attached to it saying "You win". They want to make us scared. Dont be afraid, be relentless. I dont know about you, but i value the life of an american over the life of an Iraqi Thats called patriotism.

[Gwendolyn]

Thats called patriotism. [/b] That's called facism. Lives are all the fucking same. You are not more important than any other life form, and being self important is not called patriotism. It's called being self righteous.

[DyerMaker]

Alright, this is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. This should please liberals enough to shut them up. Iraq was an example. We chose them to show the world what happens when our country gets attacked. The terrorists meant to bring our counrty to our knees, when in fact they just sckrewed themselves. They brought destruction upon their organizations. Now the part that libs wont like, We have to make a point that when 3000 american civilians die, 30,000 enemy civilians must die. If we keep this campaign of total destruction, no middle eastern terrorist will ever attack again. He will know that it will bring death to his family and countrymen. We have to make the idea of attacking americans so horrifying that it will cease to exist. Otherwise, our country WILL be brought to its knees. Why dont you just cut off your balls and send it to the terrorist with a little not attached to it saying "You win". They want to make us scared. Dont be afraid, be relentless. I dont know about you, but i value the life of an american over the life of an Iraqi Thats called patriotism. [/b] No, I believe that's called shallow thinking. What a ridiculous thing to say that you value one life over another just because of where he is born. I bet you value a fellow life of the same ethnicity over someone with a different skin tone. The loyal supporters of Bush seem to lack any kind of perspective or critical thinking. Do you value the lives of the Americans who capture suspected terrorists, abuse them and dehumanize them. That's exactly what you are doing when you value a life over another without ever meeting either, dehumanizing a nation. I believe that's how Hitler got to kill six million jews, people with disabilites, and homosexuals; Saying they do not compare to a blonde haired, blue eyed person. Do you honestly think as long as we are there that the violence will ever stop? You underestimate the human spirit who will die fighting for what they believe in. The Iraqis believe we don't belong there telling them how to run their nation and who to be allied with. Do you not think that the Iraqi insurgents aren't saying the same thing about making it a horrifying thing to just sweep across a islamic nation with a whole lot of military might? For us to be brought to our knees something has to be attacking us here. And the Iraqi civilians that are dieing the most aren't the enemies. They're just people trying to carry out their lives like use to be able to.

[shark!]

(Hominus Feralis @ Sep 3 2006, 10:16 PM) Alright, this is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. This should please liberals enough to shut them up. Iraq was an example. We chose them to show the world what happens when our country gets attacked. The terrorists meant to bring our counrty to our knees, when in fact they just sckrewed themselves. They brought destruction upon their organizations. Now the part that libs wont like, We have to make a point that when 3000 american civilians die, 30,000 enemy civilians must die. If we keep this campaign of total destruction, no middle eastern terrorist will ever attack again. He will know that it will bring death to his family and countrymen. We have to make the idea of attacking americans so horrifying that it will cease to exist. Otherwise, our country WILL be brought to its knees. Why dont you just cut off your balls and send it to the terrorist with a little not attached to it saying "You win". They want to make us scared. Dont be afraid, be relentless. I dont know about you, but i value the life of an american over the life of an Iraqi Thats called patriotism. [/b] ...I can't even Fathom how many generations of backwoods KKK imbreding it took to come up with this idea for foreign policy. ...btw you talk far worse then Usama bin Laden, he only wanted revenge on sept.11. You want genocide if that's what it takes...and that is the stupidist thing I have ever read on this forum. ( I don't even think I have to realy explain why more then that?) ...and I spend the majority of my time in senseless banter. btw i'm curious, how many american's do you think agree with his argument?