White Privilege

First off, the VERY first thing I'd like to say is for everyone to remain as civil as possible. Some might misinterpret this thread as the author taking a racist stance by heralding the benefits of being white and others (like myself) see this thread from eyes of interest and curiosity. For those that don't know, I myself am brown but I find this topic fascinating and yet partially disturbing (seeing as it feels like a secret everyone knows about except you o.o). I say that because the author of this article exposes what might have been an unconscious thought to most of us - white privilege and it's effects. It (this article) could be interpreted as the author gloating/bragging about the benefits of being white as opposed to the other races. Like how a male could brag/gloat about the benefits of being a male and getting taken more seriously etc. in areas of business. The author views racism in a different light than what we were all taught. While racism itself is pretty shitty...she sees a plus that came out of it. I am interested to see how DV receives this (and I pray it's with civility, respect, and rationalism) and hope to initiate a very long discussion regarding this and how it may have had an effect in your life etc.

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Below is a small excerpt from the article in which the author lists the benefits of being white. For the entire article click here.

Daily effects of white privilege

I think whites are carefully taught not to recognize white privilege, as males are taught not to recognize male privilege. So I have begun in an untutored way to ask what it is like to have white privilege. I have come to see white privilege as an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was "meant" to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks.

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

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One thing I have noticed and have witnessed in my own life. If a white person (as the author mentions above) does something asinine or makes a fool of themself...it won't be attributed to his/her race, but if a person of color say for instance isn't as articulate or educated and does something idiotic on t.v...some people will see that man or woman as being a representative for his or her race. "Just like mexicans, just like indians, just like blacks etc." I've always wondered why this was? o.o

Edit: I myself am quite guilty of this...come to think of it. I simply have absolutely ZERO patience for illiterate and unintelligent people of color on t.v. I say in the back of my head "Jesus dude...you're making your race look bad." :lol:

Sorry, but I find this ridiculous. The author is obviously an idiot, as he fails to understand that it is normal that white countries see "white culture" as the standard. Do we whites go to Africa and complain that my culture isn't represented there?
Me to random black guy in african village: Hey why the hell can't I buy "white" music here??

My opinion is that races ARE equal. It's a fact. BUT: that doesn't mean that suddenly we have to bow down to THEM and change our culture into theirs.
Thats racism in reverse.

BTW what's the deal with skin color? What the **** does it have to do with anything? People in eastern europe have a totally different culture but they are also white...

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

BTW what's the deal with skin color? What the **** does it have to do with anything? People in eastern europe have a totally different culture but they are also white...

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What do you mean?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

What do you mean?

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I mean that dispite the fact that they have a different culture compared to mine, they are also white like me.
Which means that skin colour is irrelevant. I'm European, you're most likely American. Different cultures, but that's because of the distance between us, not the colour of our skin.
By the way, I see different skin colors as a good example of the human ability to adapt to our enviroment. Black skin in the really hot and sunny enviroment, white in the colder areas... Brilliant.
None is superior or inferior. By saying that one is better than the other you prove your own inferiority by proving that you know nothing about evolution at all.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

I mean that dispite the fact that they have a different culture compared to mine, they are also white like me.
Which means that skin colour is irrelevant. I'm European, you're most likely American. Different cultures, but that's because of the distance between us, not the colour of our skin.
By the way, I see different skin colors as a good example of the human ability to adapt to our enviroment. Black skin in the really hot and sunny enviroment, white in the colder areas... Brilliant.
None is superior or inferior. By saying that one is better than the other you prove your own inferiority by proving that you know nothing about evolution at all.

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I agree with this post, however I think you've mistaken the article entirely. The article isn't about superior or inferior skin. It's about her theory on white privilege which gives white people more options, privileges and better treatment in life based (as opposed to the other races) on being born white. Her reasons are listed in the OP. If anything, it exemplifies how we as a human species still have a long way to go if generalizations and judgments are still being made based on ones skin color...which is something the author cites as advantageous to her and the white race as a whole.

That's what I was wanting to extract opinions on, whatever they may be. The article isn't about whose skin is better than whose. It's about an unspoken "hush hush" notion that society gives you better advantages if you're born with white skin, what those advantages may be, and how they may have taken a part in your life.

What is "society"? What society? I think it's normal that in a white society blacks are considered to be... different from the norm.
I don't see why a white society should adapt to all other cultures out there. It's not like they do the same for us where they come from.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What is "society"? What society? I think it's normal that in a white society blacks are considered to be... different from the norm.
I don't see why a white society should adapt to all other cultures out there. It's not like they do the same for us where they come from.

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You do know that America is "The Great Melting Pot" right? So this "white society" this and "black society" that is an oxymoron if you ask me (presupposing we're being politically correct). Deeming America to be a "white society" undermines the very meaning of what it is to be a melting pot. Or perhaps you're using the term based on who holds the greatest populace in America? At any rate the above post conflicts with your earlier one which states "We are all equal". In this one you get into "white society" this and "whites shouldn't have to adapt to minorities this because they don't do it for us that". Make up your mind dude...seriously, you're flopping worse than John Kerry in the 2004 election. At any rate I digress, so to get back on point...you're still not interpreting the article correctly because you're stating irrelevant cultural divisions between two races (as if one culture was exclusive to a set race anyway :roll:). Read the article again (in it's entirety) and then post.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

You do know that America is "The Great Melting Pot" right? So this "white society" this and "black society" that is an oxymoron if you ask me (presupposing we're being politically correct). Deeming America to be a "white society" undermines the very meaning of what it is to be a melting pot. Or perhaps you're using the term based on who holds the greatest populace in America? At any rate the above post conflicts with your earlier one which states "We are all equal". In this one you get into "white society" this and "whites shouldn't have to adapt to minorities this because they don't do it for us that". Make up your mind dude...seriously, you're flopping worse than John Kerry in the 2004 election. At any rate I digress, so to get back on point...you're still not interpreting the article correctly because you're stating irrelevant cultural lines between two races (as if one culture was exclusive to a set race anyway :roll:). Read the article again (in it's entirety) and then post.

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Yes, we are equal. But I will not allow my culture to be lost because they want us to change. By the way I'm not talking about America, I'm talking about west-europe. It's a simple fact that western culture dominates in the west. And that's the way it should be. African culture rule in Africa, asian ones in Asia etc.. And that's fine.

What is it you want? Do you want all of our differences to disappear? I hope this never happens.
Interesting thing to think about: A few years back some nut from palestine came to Belgium and demanded that the goverment made arabic an official language. If that isn't outrageous then I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Yes, we are equal. But I will not allow my culture to be lost because they want us to change. By the way I'm not talking about America, I'm talking about west-europe. It's a simple fact that western culture dominates in the west. And that's the way it should be. African culture rule in Africa, asian ones in Asia etc.. And that's fine.

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I see what you're saying now.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What is it you want? Do you want all of our differences to disappear? I hope this never happens.

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Why do you assume that is what I want? I never made any mention of that. And furthermore why is it about what I want? I think that's irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. Your question is not very specific at all. At any rate...I am still baffled at how you arrived at a presupposition about me wanting all of our racial differences to disappear. How you managed to extract that from my five posts is beyond me.

I think it's weird how other cultures, races, or "colors", never really complain about this kind of stuff. It seems like african americans really want full power. White people forcefully took America from the natives, and you never see them ranting about how they should be equal. I understand and ackowledge the brutal past...african american were brought here as slaves, which is horrible, but now they are at peace. Isn't that enough?

I mean the Whites have privileges here, because they took over the land. If asians took over America back then, would people always hate on yellow privileges? (lol I don't mean that in a racist way at all). It doesn't makes sense to me. Asians and all kinds of new cultures are allowed within now, and are just as powerful as whites and blacks nowadays. I mean look at the president-elect.

I think the more we focus on the differences, the longer they will linger around. Let's concentrate on being equal more, no?

Sorry just ranting :) I love the multi-cultured world of today! Full of fresh and exotic ideas.

OK. So I believe people from all cultures should be given equal RIGHTS in countries, especially the US. But complaining about music or haircuts is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

I think it's weird how other cultures, races, or "colors", never really complain about this kind of stuff. It seems like african americans really want full power. White people forcefully took America from the natives, and you never see them ranting about how they should be equal. I understand and ackowledge the brutal past...african american were brought here as slaves, which is horrible, but now they are at peace. Isn't that enough?

I mean the Whites have privileges here, because they took over the land. If asians took over America back then, would people always hate on yellow privileges? (lol I don't mean that in a racist way at all). It makes sense to me. Asians and all kinds of new cultures are allowed within now, and are just as powerful as whites and blacks nowadays. I mean look at the president-elect.

I think the more we focus on the differences, the longer they will linger around. Let's concentrate on being equal more, no?

Sorry just ranting :) I love the multi-cultured world of today! Full of fresh and exotic ideas.

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Agreed. Racism isn't going away.. It's just changing into racism against whites.

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

I think it's weird how other cultures, races, or "colors", never really complain about this kind of stuff. It seems like african americans really want full power. White people forcefully took America from the natives, and you never see them ranting about how they should be equal. I understand and ackowledge the brutal past...african american were brought here as slaves, which is horrible, but now they are at peace. Isn't that enough?

I mean the Whites have privileges here, because they took over the land. If asians took over America back then, would people always hate on yellow privileges? (lol I don't mean that in a racist way at all). It doesn't makes sense to me. Asians and all kinds of new cultures are allowed within now, and are just as powerful as whites and blacks nowadays. I mean look at the president-elect.

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Jesus Christ guys.

Where are you two getting off making this about blacks complaining? This is NOT another "Beat a white kid day" thread. This is me extracting views/opinions on what the author wrote in the OP! High Hunter, you're a great guy...but frankly I just don't see how your post was relevant to the thread. By that I mean I'm not asking for explanations regarding why white privilege exist...I learned that in U.S. History back in high school...I'm asking for personal experiences that it may be evident in in your life or your views on WP itself.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Agreed. Racism isn't going away.. It's just changing into racism against whites.

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:? How do you figure?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Jesus Christ guys.

Where are you two getting off making this about blacks complaining? This is NOT another "Beat a white kid day" thread! This is me extracting views/opinions on what the author wrote in the OP!

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Lol, sorry man, I didn't mean it that way. But you gotta understand where we're coming from... I'm just tired of hearing about this kind of stuff. With Obama being president, these "white privileges" will slowly dissipitate, that's what I think. I personally view blacks as down right equals to me nowadays.

That's all I'm saying :)

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Originally Posted by High Hunter

Lol, sorry man, I didn't mean it that way. But you gotta understand where we're coming from... I'm just tired of hearing about this kind of stuff. With Obama being president, these "white privileges" will slowly dissipitate, that's what I think. I personally view blacks as down right equals to me nowadays.

That's all I'm saying :)

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Digressing from the purpose of the OP a bit...I understand where you're coming from. I also get pissed off sometimes when I hear people of my own race and other minorities saying "Obama's going to fix everything now!". Not to mention play the role of the victim and blame their current mess/problems on other races. What Bill Cosby said on Oprah was damn right. At any rate back on topic :P

I gave you my views on "white privilege" but you don't want to hear them.
This discussion is pointless.

To sum it up: I think white privilege is good. To some extent. We need variation.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

One thing I have noticed and have witnessed in my own life. If a white person (as the author mentions above) does something asinine or makes a fool of themself...it won't be attributed to his/her race, but if a person of color say for instance isn't as articulate or educated and does something idiotic on t.v...some people will see that man or woman as being a representative for his or her race. "Just like mexicans, just like indians, just like blacks etc." I've always wondered why this was? o.o

Edit: I myself am quite guilty of this...come to think of it. I simply have absolutely ZERO patience for illiterate and unintelligent people of color on t.v. I say in the back of my head "Jesus dude...you're making your race look bad." :lol:

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Yeah, I guess this post makes much more sense now. The OP was kind of misleading. I wasn't sure what your intentions were. I gotcha now.

Well think of it this way, these prejudices and stereotypes apply to height, weight, cultures, occupations, careers, and even hobbies!

We could go on about Slim privileges, sober privileges, lawyers privileges, etc. The color/race aspect is just another branch of stereotypes. You know? Our species is just one that likes to put things into classes, and judge for the sake of self-empowerement. ;) That will probably never change..

Sorry if I'm completely off track now. ;)

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

To sum it up: I think white privilege is good. To some extent. We need variation.

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Now we're on the right track :). Now tell me why you think that?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Now we're on the right track :). Now tell me why you think that?

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I already told you. Globalization is a threat. No culture should ever bow down to another - including western culture.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

I already told you. Globalization is a threat. No culture should ever bow down to another - including western culture.

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And you think white privilege prevents this? How? White privilege has been around as long as racism and if Globalization is gaining, I'm not sure how you see white privilege as "fending this off".

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

And you think white privilege prevents this? How? White privilege has been around as long as racism and if Globalization is gaining, I'm not sure how you see white privilege as "fending this off".

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White privilege in white areas - black privilege in black areas - Asian privilage in Asian areas etc... I'm not saying non whites should have less rights than whites in white areas - I mean that our western culture should remain unchanged and unaffected by the other cultures. "Pure".
Smaller cultures are absorbed and destroyed by globalization. By remaining loyal to your own culture in your country you can prevent being sucked up by the system.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

White privilege in white areas - black privilege in black areas - Asian privilage in Asian areas etc... I'm not saying non whites should have less rights than whites in white areas - I mean that our western culture should remain unchanged and unaffected by the other cultures. "Pure".
Smaller cultures are absorbed and destroyed by globalization. By remaining loyal to your own culture in your country you can prevent being sucked up by the system.

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Why do you feel so strongly against globalization? o.o

Because it threatens diversity. Smaller cultures are changed forever or even disappear altogether - this is a real shame. I'm into linguistics, and now I know that there are about 3000-8000 languages on this world, of which thousands are on the "endangered languages list". Come on, that's a shame.
All those little things that make this big and diverse world interesting are disappearing. When I go to let's say south africa, I DON'T want to eat at McDonalds... I want something typical for that region.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Because it threatens diversity. Smaller cultures are changed forever or even disappear altogether - this is a real shame. I'm into linguistics, and now I know that there are about 3000-8000 languages on this world, of which thousands are on the "endangered languages list". Come on, that's a shame.
All those little things that make this big and diverse world interesting are disappearing. When I go to let's say south africa, I DON'T want to eat at McDonalds... I want something typical for that region.

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While I may not entirely agree with you, I do see your point.

Im going to try and sound as reserved as possible in this respect, but to me it all comes down to percentages of population. This country is still predominantly white so of course things relating to white culture are going to be more prevalent. That being said, if you go to an area of the US where it is predominantly another race you will find the exact opposite. I view this as good. In fact, I dont mind if other cultures continue to grow in this country, I just dont think any other culture should have to die down because another is growing. Soon, this country may have more hispanics then whites...at that time will we then have an article exactly like this except titled "Hispanic Privilege"? Hopefully not.

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

Im going to try and sound as reserved as possible in this respect, but to me it all comes down to percentages of population. This country is still predominantly white so of course things relating to white culture are going to be more prevalent. That being said, if you go to an area of the US where it is predominantly another race you will find the exact opposite. I view this as good. In fact, I dont mind if other cultures continue to grow in this country, I just dont think any other culture should have to die down because another is growing. Soon, this country may have more hispanics then whites...at that time will we then have an article exactly like this except titled "Hispanic Privilege"? Hopefully not.

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Hmm, interesting points tkdyo :).

white privilege..!! its a double edged sword!!

in this day and age, I'm happy to be short with curly hair and facial features that are latin. My appearance is ethnically generic, most people have no idea what my "race" is. I can sorta "blend" in. I can "blend" in with whites. I can tell them I'm French, some thought I was French - they don't know any better. I can tell them I'm Mexican - they won't argue with me. I'm not Mexican. That's the nice part about being hispanic and having genes from all parts of world - europe, middle east, africa, and native caribbean blood. BE JEALOUS! Not to mention, my height, while short for an american, is more normal in other places. So I won't look like a lanky amazon walking around in tokyo! HAH

this person does fit that sort of american white middle class stereotype, in that they seem to be saying that as a white person they are so privilege, they need not have fear. life is bliss, tra-la-la-la-la!

HELLO!! that was the kind of IGNORANCE that shocked americans that some one actually wanted to, GASP, attack us. And that they actually, did. And when the terrorists attacked New York, do you think it was because they have beef with the hispanic population??? New York City has always been a symbol of America. A symbol of the WHITE western world, and all that it stands for.

And what do you think those suicide idiots were imagining when they attacked New York, I would think, in their blind ignorance that they were imagining : white blonde christian church going pizza and hamburger eating americans. Not because they like other races better, they don't. But thats the sort of ignorance others have of americans. That is what they think of, when they hear the word "A M E R I C A N". So in this respect, I'm grateful im not included in the picture. Though I should be. *why doesn't anyone think of the short person with curly hair? why?*

There are many places in the world, where your chances of being kidnapped and ransomed for money increases - because of the blinding whiteness of your skin. There are so many stories like this. And in these dangerous parts, really any american is in danger because these dangerous folk equate american with money. But let's face it, youre tall and white, you just look more american than me, and you can be bloody fuckin european! These dangerous places are found in Central and south america, africa, the middle east, asia...........cuba. That's, a lot!

That's a lot of places where the white privilege doesn't really exist.

And that's why this person seems to illustrate the stereotype of the ignorant white american - ignorant of how the world is really going round. Ignorant of how, the white skin color today is hated in other parts of the world.

So for all of you tall ass white blondies out there, you are a glowing target - literally in the sun - if you aren't already a lobster. And remember, when visiting far and away and exotic countries, YOU STAND OUT. And when standing out isn't a good thing, stick to the tourist areas

So I admit it's kinda nice not looking like the stereotypical american, when people are thinking bad thoughts about americans. But I will never be as privileged. Not because of my race, but my gender

For one, I'm too afraid to walk at night! :shock:

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Originally Posted by juroara

white privilege..!! its a double edged sword!!

in this day and age, I'm happy to be short with curly hair and facial features that are latin. My appearance is ethnically generic, most people have no idea what my "race" is. I can sorta "blend" in. I can "blend" in with whites. I can tell them I'm French, some thought I was French - they don't know any better. I can tell them I'm Mexican - they won't argue with me. I'm not Mexican. That's the nice part about being hispanic and having genes from all parts of world - europe, middle east, africa, and native caribbean blood. BE JEALOUS! Not to mention, my height, while short for an american, is more normal in other places. So I won't look like a lanky amazon walking around in tokyo! HAH

this person does fit that sort of american white middle class stereotype, in that they seem to be saying that as a white person they are so privilege, they need not have fear. life is bliss, tra-la-la-la-la!

HELLO!! that was the kind of IGNORANCE that shocked americans that some one actually wanted to, GASP, attack us. And that they actually, did. And when the terrorists attacked New York, do you think it was because they have beef with the hispanic population??? New York City has always been a symbol of America. A symbol of the WHITE western world, and all that it stands for.

And what do you think those suicide idiots were imagining when they attacked New York, I would think, in their blind ignorance that they were imagining : white blonde christian church going pizza and hamburger eating americans. Not because they like other races better, they don't. But thats the sort of ignorance others have of americans. That is what they think of, when they hear the word "A M E R I C A N". So in this respect, I'm grateful im not included in the picture. Though I should be. *why doesn't anyone think of the short person with curly hair? why?*

There are many places in the world, where your chances of being kidnapped and ransomed for money increases - because of the blinding whiteness of your skin. There are so many stories like this. And in these dangerous parts, really any american is in danger because these dangerous folk equate american with money. But let's face it, youre tall and white, you just look more american than me, and you can be bloody fuckin european! These dangerous places are found in Central and south america, africa, the middle east, asia...........cuba. That's, a lot!

That's a lot of places where the white privilege doesn't really exist.

And that's why this person seems to illustrate the stereotype of the ignorant white american - ignorant of how the world is really going round. Ignorant of how, the white skin color today is hated in other parts of the world.

So for all of you tall ass white blondies out there, you are a glowing target - literally in the sun - if you aren't already a lobster. And remember, when visiting far and away and exotic countries, YOU STAND OUT. And when standing out isn't a good thing, stick to the tourist areas

So I admit it's kinda nice not looking like the stereotypical american, when people are thinking bad thoughts about americans. But I will never be as privileged. Not because of my race, but my gender

For one, I'm too afraid to walk at night! :shock:

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You're a little paranoid I guess. I'm European but I, like many other non-Americans, don't view "all" americans (nice generalizing there) as rich white hamburger eating morons. Who go to church.
Try not to get into the USA vs World mindset... It won't do anybody any good lol.

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I'm sorry, but I have to agree.

How many "exotic" places you listed have you actually been to?
There is a lot of bullshit, media propaganda. Don't buy everything you hear.

There are two parts of the human brain. The thinker, and the prover. What the thinker thinks, the prover will do everything in it's power to prove.

This is bullshit.

Someone earlier said it about being a cultural difference rather than a racial. I'm not going to say that race plays no factor at all, but I would say that culture has more to do with this than anything else. To me this seems like an over generalized, and slightly offensive assumption. Fact is, a black person can do anything a white person can do. Barack Obama is probably the best example of this...Soon we are all going to be coffee-coloured with brown eyes and dark hair anyway. (C wut i did thur?)

Hmmm quite a few of you have some rather skewed views on the world, however I will not mention names, seems the majority are not to sure about what the OP is about. But that sounds more like a personal problem so I won't touch on it.

Yes there is as a matter of fact "White Privelage" whether you as a person of this race acknowledges it or not doesn't really matter it's still there and is proven to exist every single day. I could list countless scenarios myself where I have experienced this, but that would just be a waste of time on my part.

There are also many other privelages as well "Black Privelage", "Asian Privelage", "Indian Privelage", "Spanish Privelage", "Middle-Eastern Priverlage", "European Privelage", "Pacific-Islander Privelage", etc. etc. All of these can be experienced in there own locations.

The sheer fact of the matter is you might get judged, stereotyped, harassed, praised, belittled, looked down upon, etc. etc. etc. based on your race, or then again you may not. All depends on the person(s) doing the judging. But it's gonna happen regardless.

The sooner people acknoledge these facts, and start to break away from the mold. The better off the world will be. This has nothing to do with cultures either.

Brandon, I think that was the best post in this thread so far.
I agree.

Brandon, agrees with me, woot woot.

Lol @ coffee colored brown eyed skin remark. That won't happen if Timothy had a say in it. :paranoid:

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Hmmm quite a few of you have some rather skewed views on the world, however I will not mention names, seems the majority are not to sure about what the OP is about. But that sounds more like a personal problem so I won't touch on it.

Yes there is as a matter of fact "White Privelage" whether you as a person of this race acknowledges it or not doesn't really matter it's still there and is proven to exist every single day. I could list countless scenarios myself where I have experienced this, but that would just be a waste of time on my part.

There are also many other privelages as well "Black Privelage", "Asian Privelage", "Indian Privelage", "Spanish Privelage", "Middle-Eastern Priverlage", "European Privelage", "Pacific-Islander Privelage", etc. etc. All of these can be experienced in there own locations.

The sheer fact of the matter is you might get judged, stereotyped, harassed, praised, belittled, looked down upon, etc. etc. etc. based on your race, or then again you may not. All depends on the person(s) doing the judging. But it's gonna happen regardless.

The sooner people acknoledge these facts, and start to break away from the mold. The better off the world will be. This has nothing to do with cultures either.

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A very insight post BH! :) and you're right, the author DID say most people wouldn't acknowledge it that WP exists. But as you said other [insert race here]P exists as well.

This article skirts a lot of the BS, a lot of what would otherwise be socially unacceptable to discuss.
Political correctedness often does more harm than good. Because like Brandon Heat said;

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Having to be Politically correct all the time makes this very difficult to do. From any perspective side.

So I’ll go balls out and ask, are you familiar with the term – white flight?

I think becasue of the environment that I grew up in that this gives me a close perspective on some of what is being said.

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So I’ll go balls out and ask, are you familiar with the term – white flight?

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No I've never heard of that term before. :shock: What is it?

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I think becasue of the environment that I grew up in that this gives me a close perspective on some of what is being said.

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Would you mind sharing more of that perspective? :)

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No I've never heard of that term before. :shock: What is it?

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It's quite sad really. Many know this as The Urban sprawl, the uncontrolled spread of urban development into neighboring regions. Racially it is often referred to as white flight. The movement of mostly whites into more rural regions.
As with most or all big cities here in the US, the majority of the inner city population is of minority. Particularly black. Given the situation the inner cities become run down and riddled with crime. In time the area begins to widen and it eventually gets run down and the neighborhoods become slums. The inner city grows. This has been perceived by whites as “what the blacks do” As the expansion of the black neighborhood expands, the white population moves further out.

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Would you mind sharing more of that perspective? :)

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I live in a locality that lets me see the extremes of both ends. I live close to a populace that has a very high-income ratio. Working for that community, I often see the negativity that is generated by what has been the reoccurring theme. Yet on the other hand I too live close enough to the inner city of Cleveland to see the "slums" so to speak.
So it is (to me) hard to argue that the inner city population is not the cause of the expansion of the run down neighborhoods. But is is also very difficult to try an address an issue like this with out being labeled a racist.
So in return the issue is swept under the rug.

Growing up outside of the inner cities most all of the communities that I have been surrounded by becomes racial in one sense or another whether they like to admit it or not.
I think what has been failed to be seen is that any given race having been put in the same situation would in most cases end up in the same scenario. That is hard to say. That is the argument of – A product of the environment.

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It's quite sad really. Many know this as The Urban sprawl, the uncontrolled spread of urban development into neighboring regions. Racially it is often referred to as white flight. The movement of mostly whites into more rural regions.
As with most or all big cities here in the US, the majority of the inner city population is of minority. Particularly black. Given the situation the inner cities become run down and riddled with crime. In time the area begins to widen and it eventually gets run down and the neighborhoods become slums. The inner city grows. This has been perceived by whites as “what the blacks do” As the expansion of the black neighborhood expands, the white population moves further out.

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Ah I see. Inner cities are notorious for crime, drugs, and prostitution. Why anyone would want to stay to not be perceived as racist and avoid the "White flight" term is beyond me. Hell I'd be on a U-Haul faster than most. But I do understand what you are saying. And now that you have explained it, I have heard this term before...but not very often.

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I live in a locality that lets me see the extremes of both ends. I live close to a populace that has a very high-income ratio. Working for that community, I often see the negativity that is generated by what has been the reoccurring theme. Yet on the other hand I too live close enough to the inner city of Cleveland to see the "slums" so to speak.
So it is (to me) hard to argue that the inner city population is not the cause of the expansion of the run down neighborhoods. But is is also very difficult to try an address an issue like this with out being labeled a racist.
So in return the issue is swept under the rug.

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In my opinion, that's the problem. People don't want to be seen as "racist" and therefore let city eyesores continue to grow. It sort of comes off as if people like stewing in their own garbage without doing anything about it and complaining when someone wants to do something. And by garbage, I mean value dropping neighborhoods/cities.

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Growing up outside of the inner cities most all of the communities that I have been surrounded by becomes racial in one sense or another whether they like to admit it or not.
I think what has been failed to be seen is that any given race having been put in the same situation would in most cases end up in the same scenario. That is hard to say. That is the argument of – A product of the environment.

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True...however I've heard this argument and I think it has some truth to it, albeit small truth. I think the people who largely use it do so as a cop out for why they are where they currently are in life or why they don't have as much as John Doe living two doors down. In America, we have free public libraries. Anyone, who wants anything can first learn "freely" how to obtain it, then they can go get it...I have little patience for people who blame others for why they are where they are.

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1/3 of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives.
42 percent of college graduates never read another book after college.
80 percent of U.S. families did not buy or read a book last year.
70 percent of U.S. adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years.
57 percent of new books are not read to completion.
(Source: Jerold Jenkins, www.JenkinsGroupInc.com)

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The above stats aren't exclusive to inner cities, they do trouble me though. :shakehead2:

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Because it threatens diversity. Smaller cultures are changed forever or even disappear altogether - this is a real shame. I'm into linguistics, and now I know that there are about 3000-8000 languages on this world, of which thousands are on the "endangered languages list". Come on, that's a shame.
All those little things that make this big and diverse world interesting are disappearing. When I go to let's say south africa, I DON'T want to eat at McDonalds... I want something typical for that region.

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Thank you. I agree with this completely. I do not agree with cultural extermination. It does not benefit communities, but those who make the money off of the disorder.

America is a special case of course; a case in which identity is not so easy to pick out. However we should wall up the borders now before it gets any crazier.

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Lol @ coffee colored brown eyed skin remark. That won't happen if Timothy had a say in it. :paranoid:



A very insight post BH! :) and you're right, the author DID say most people wouldn't acknowledge it that WP exists. But as you said other [insert race here]P exists as well.

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What? Did I miss something? I agree with everthing BH had just said. Isn't that exactly what I said?
I feel left out. :embarrassed:

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America is a special case of course; a case in which identity is not so easy to pick out. However we should wall up the borders now before it gets any crazier.

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I wouldn't go to such an extreme as "walling up the borders" because culture changes. It's not exclusive to any race, man, woman, or child. That's why I get so perturbed when I hear things like "White culture" this" and "Black culture" that. Who the hell is supposed to tell me what culture I should belong to based on my skin tone? Perhaps I misinterpreted what you said but when I think of "walling up the borders" I envision keeping people out while a set group does their own thing. :?

Don't get me wrong though, I do NOT wish for cultural extermination to take place...this is why we have very little information regarding the Mayan culture. Don't even get me started on that. :P

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What? Did I miss something? I agree with everthing BH had just said. Isn't that exactly what I said?
I feel left out. :embarrassed:

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You may have, I probably misinterpreted what you were saying. If so I apologize. It's damn near impossible to relay points without the use of vocal tonality/body language etc. (all of which are used when communicating face to face).

By extermination he doesn't mean "killing them all". He means that the things that make a culture what it is, gradually disappear.
OK, saying "white culture" etc is dumb. Let's say "American culture", "Austrian culture" etc...

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I wouldn't go to such an extreme as "walling up the borders" because culture changes. It's not exclusive to any race, man, woman, or child. That's why I get so perturbed when I hear things like "White culture" this" and "Black culture" that. Who the hell is supposed to tell me what culture I should belong to based on my skin tone? Perhaps I misinterpreted what you said but when I think of "walling up the borders" I envision keeping people out while a set group does their own thing. :?

Don't get me wrong though, I do NOT wish for cultural extermination to take place...this is why we have very little information regarding the Mayan culture. Don't even get me started on that. :P

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Well it's not about skin color really, but cultural difference and the inevitable conflict that is the result. If we could all get along things might be different. There is much more to it than that, but this would be the most obvious example.

The neighboring city where I go to shop is actually a perfect example of white flight. This is going to sound like something straight from a book but bare with me please.

So, this little city is called Benton Harbor. In the 50's when my mom grew up in it, it was a very well to do town with a well respected school. Now I dont know the particulars, but some how or another many poor inner city blacks began moving there from chicago (it is only about 2 hours away). Now, there were already some blacks in Benton Harbor and they got along fine with the population, or so Im told. But when this huge influx of inner city blacks came over, the rich white and many of the black families already there, moved literally across a bridge to another very small town called St, Joseph.

Fast forward 50 years later and Benton Harbor is one of the highest per-capita murder cities in the US and the downtown looks horrendously run down. While right across this bridge there is St. Joseph all very artsy and in some respects even uppity. The schools in Benton Harbor are even so bad that many high schools around the area including my former one took it upon themselves to send buses to Benton Harbor so that parents who wanted to could send their kids out to those schools.

Just a little story I thought I'd share. I personally think it is more to due with attitude than race, because there are still some white people who live there and they are bad too. Most people never go downtown, they just go to the business area which is a little nicer at least.

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Hmmm quite a few of you have some rather skewed views on the world, however I will not mention names, seems the majority are not to sure about what the OP is about. But that sounds more like a personal problem so I won't touch on it.

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Everyone's view on reality is skewed. Although I suppose you must have some enlightened view...

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This has nothing to do with cultures either.

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You make some good points, but this is where you are wrong. People are talking about white flight, and blacks in the inner city. It's about both races striving to keep their culture. See the post above for an example.

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The neighboring city where I go to shop is actually a perfect example of white flight. This is going to sound like something straight from a book but bare with me please.

So, this little city is called Benton Harbor. In the 50's when my mom grew up in it, it was a very well to do town with a well respected school. Now I dont know the particulars, but some how or another many poor inner city blacks began moving there from chicago (it is only about 2 hours away). Now, there were already some blacks in Benton Harbor and they got along fine with the population, or so Im told. But when this huge influx of inner city blacks came over, the rich white and many of the black families already there, moved literally across a bridge to another very small town called St, Joseph.

Fast forward 50 years later and Benton Harbor is one of the highest per-capita murder cities in the US and the downtown looks horrendously run down. While right across this bridge there is St. Joseph all very artsy and in some respects even uppity. The schools in Benton Harbor are even so bad that many high schools around the area including my former one took it upon themselves to send buses to Benton Harbor so that parents who wanted to could send their kids out to those schools.

Just a little story I thought I'd share. I personally think it is more to due with attitude than race, because there are still some white people who live there and they are bad too. Most people never go downtown, they just go to the business area which is a little nicer at least.

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I don't know why I find this so funny. As I said earlier...if an influx of uneducated stoop dwelling late night walking people were to move into my neighborhood...I'd move as well. Crime and the like greatly devalues property.

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You make some good points, but this is where you are wrong. People are talking about white flight, and blacks in the inner city. It's about both races striving to keep their culture. See the post above for an example.

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No...the quoted post is partially wrong. The author in the original post didn't say anything about black people let alone make her writing a "black and white" issue...the posters in here began to make it so, once I tried to re-direct the topic over from of a foreseeable discussion pertaining to whites vs. blacks (seeing as often times people forget there are more than two races on this planet -_-) it began to go there again. The thread's purpose was to gain insight and information regarding WP (and any other race privilege users may or may not have been aware of), and how it may have had an influence in their life. Very few posters in here are cognizant of that.

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Well it's not about skin color really, but cultural difference and the inevitable conflict that is the result. If we could all get along things might be different. There is much more to it than that, but this would be the most obvious example.

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Pertaining to the original subject of the topic you are quite wrong. At no point did this have to do with cultural differences. This is simply about the "privileges" different races have to themselves. Culture is a completely different topic. You can be of a certain race and yet have an entirely different culture. However if you are a certain race you will be that race for the entirety of your life. Which is where privileges are touched upon.

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Everyone's view on reality is skewed. Although I suppose you must have some enlightened view...



You make some good points, but this is where you are wrong. People are talking about white flight, and blacks in the inner city. It's about both races striving to keep their culture. See the post above for an example.

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I wasn't talking about my views on "reality" I was talking about my views on the "world." While they are a bit similar they are once again a bit different. I would not go as far to say that I have an enlightened view on the world, but I would say I might have a more mature view on the world than others. Things are not so simple that you can simply separate them into black white and the shade of gray in the middle. Things are far more complex than that in the workings of the world. I am sure everyone can agree to this. And that is what I was referring too.

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I don't know why I find this so funny. As I said earlier...if an influx of uneducated stoop dwelling late night walking people were to move into my neighborhood...I'd move as well. Crime and the like greatly devalues property.




No...the quoted post is partially wrong. The author in the original post didn't say anything about black people let alone make her writing a "black and white" issue...the posters in here began to make it so, once I tried to re-direct the topic over from of a foreseeable discussion pertaining to whites vs. blacks (seeing as often times people forget there are more than two races on this planet -_-) it began to go there again. The thread's purpose was to gain insight and information regarding WP (and any other race privilege users may or may not have been aware of), and how it may have had an influence in their life. Very few posters in here are cognizant of that.

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Exactly Jeff that is what I was referring to the OP not where it went afterward.



And if you would like to touch upon cultures for a second then I will. One of you talked about languages and how many of them are disappearing. But of course this is the most likely scenario to occur with the passing of time. Cultures "update" so to speak. If everyone continued to do things as done in the past where would we be now? Not very far I will tell you that much. We could all be riding horses, and paying tribute to a king, fighting epic wars in plated armor unless the "cultures" had changed. Compare Japanese culture in 1,100 B.C. to Japanese culture in 2009 A.D. you will find they are quite different.

As cultures interact with other cultures they adopt some of the values, habits, etc. etc. etc. of the other culture. And I do believe that this is a very healthy thing to do. For instance one culture may have a technological advancement that another does not. If you interact with that culture you can gain the knowledge and doings of said culture. End result is your culture has now been bettered based upon the experience.

However this can also work against a culture in some ways as well, use your imagination I'm sure you can think of something. As for languages I am quite fond of the idea of a universal language. If everyone could speak the same language this in and of itself could end quite a few problems. You could go anywhere in the world and be able to communicate with anyone fine. Exchange ideas without having a language barrier to block you or put you off from doing so.

I am not saying that we should eliminate languages each culture has spent perhaps thousands of years developing. Because as you said this would inherently destroy apart of said culture. However if all cultures could communicate freely and understand each other this would make the world a far better place. You could think of it like the Bible story. Where the people of the tower of Babylon had their language and worked to build one of the greatest structures on the planet working together, however after their language had been taken away from them chaos ensued.

Cultures were meant to be changed, some new ones develop, some die, some adopt the ideas and beliefs of other cultures in turn losing the previous ones. However we are still all here today despite the fact. Meaning that if a culture changes so be it life will go on. And in some cases for the better, and in others for the worse.

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Pertaining to the original subject of the topic you are quite wrong. At no point did this have to do with cultural differences. This is simply about the "privileges" different races have to themselves. Culture is a completely different topic. You can be of a certain race and yet have an entirely different culture. However if you are a certain race you will be that race for the entirety of your life. Which is where privileges are touched upon.



I wasn't talking about my views on "reality" I was talking about my views on the "world." While they are a bit similar they are once again a bit different. I would not go as far to say that I have an enlightened view on the world, but I would say I might have a more mature view on the world than others. Things are not so simple that you can simply separate them into black white and the shade of gray in the middle. Things are far more complex than that in the workings of the world. I am sure everyone can agree to this. And that is what I was referring too.



Exactly Jeff that is what I was referring to the OP not where it went afterward.



And if you would like to touch upon cultures for a second then I will. One of you talked about languages and how many of them are disappearing. But of course this is the most likely scenario to occur with the passing of time. Cultures "update" so to speak. If everyone continued to do things as done in the past where would we be now? Not very far I will tell you that much. We could all be riding horses, and paying tribute to a king, fighting epic wars in plated armor unless the "cultures" had changed. Compare Japanese culture in 1,100 B.C. to Japanese culture in 2009 A.D. you will find they are quite different.

As cultures interact with other cultures they adopt some of the values, habits, etc. etc. etc. of the other culture. And I do believe that this is a very healthy thing to do. For instance one culture may have a technological advancement that another does not. If you interact with that culture you can gain the knowledge and doings of said culture. End result is your culture has now been bettered based upon the experience.

However this can also work against a culture in some ways as well, use your imagination I'm sure you can think of something. As for languages I am quite fond of the idea of a universal language. If everyone could speak the same language this in and of itself could end quite a few problems. You could go anywhere in the world and be able to communicate with anyone fine. Exchange ideas without having a language barrier to block you or put you off from doing so.

I am not saying that we should eliminate languages each culture has spent perhaps thousands of years developing. Because as you said this would inherently destroy apart of said culture. However if all cultures could communicate freely and understand each other this would make the world a far better place. You could think of it like the Bible story. Where the people of the tower of Babylon had their language and worked to build one of the greatest structures on the planet working together, however after their language had been taken away from them chaos ensued.

Cultures were meant to be changed, some new ones develop, some die, some adopt the ideas and beliefs of other cultures in turn losing the previous ones. However we are still all here today despite the fact. Meaning that if a culture changes so be it life will go on. And in some cases for the better, and in others for the worse.

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In that case I won't be able to continue this discussion, as I find it shame that the good things about specific cultures (music, clothes, language) would disappear.

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As for languages I am quite fond of the idea of a universal language. If everyone could speak the same language this in and of itself could end quite a few problems. You could go anywhere in the world and be able to communicate with anyone fine. Exchange ideas without having a language barrier to block you or put you off from doing so.

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And what language would that be?

What about communicating in a different way than by language? Don't limit yourselves to words.

I don't have time to write a longer post, even though I would really like to.
I will tomorrow probably. Very interesting to read though, I must say!! All the posts in here.

I have thought about a unified language before. There are ways to analyse language structures that can be used to create new ones.
I was thinking about selecting the ten most important languages in the world, and creating a hybrid language. People would have to look at each language individually and choose what properties it can keep, and which ones will disappear.

For example: 8/10 of those languages place the complement before the head of the phrase -> the unified language will place the complement before the head.

Bottom line: The transition must be as easy as possible.

And - a VERY important point: Unifying languages has been attempted before, and failed miserably. (example: Esperanto as the "European language")Mostly because there are simply too many huge differences between their old and the new language. Therefore I propose to make the transition happen in multiple steps... Slowly but surely controlled evolution takes place - the old languages slowly evolve into the same unified language.

If you're in Canada, a white male, and you want a job in the government, you're screwed because they favor minorities.

I joking suggested to a friend that he convert to Judaism to help him get a government job. Then I recently found out another friend just became a Muslim solely to get a cushy job in the government. He was a meat cutter for for the past 10 years or so, and his only qualifications for that position was that he was "Muslim".

Remember folks, in today's world, you religion (or race) is much more important than any schooling or other qualifications you might have. I think I may be converting soon myself. Just to get an overpaid job within the government of course.
Just got to figure out which one is easier to convert to, Muslim of Jew?

Try muslim. Circumcision isn't worth it.

Trust me, yes it is. ;)

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I would not go as far to say that I have an enlightened view on the world, but I would say I might have a more mature view on the world than others. Things are not so simple that you can simply separate them into black white and the shade of gray in the middle. Things are far more complex than that in the workings of the world. I am sure everyone can agree to this.

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Dur, I don undersan.

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Trust me, yes it is. ;)

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Why should I trust you? Are you a Jew? What are the advantages of circumcision?

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Why should I trust you? Are you a Jew? What are the advantages of circumcision?

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Dude, you don't have to be a jew to be circumcised. 99.9 of all male babies born in the U.S. are circumcised. :roll:

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Dude, you don't have to be a jew to be circumcised. 99.9 of all male babies born in the U.S. are circumcised. :roll:

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hmmm
I thought that was well known. Shows what little I know.
http://www.free-news-release.com/The...ail_21659.html

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hmmm
I thought that was well known. Shows what little I know.
http://www.free-news-release.com/The...ail_21659.html

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Well shucks, shows how much I know too. :?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

One thing I have noticed and have witnessed in my own life. If a white person (as the author mentions above) does something asinine or makes a fool of themself...it won't be attributed to his/her race, but if a person of color say for instance isn't as articulate or educated and does something idiotic on t.v...some people will see that man or woman as being a representative for his or her race. "Just like mexicans, just like indians, just like blacks etc." I've always wondered why this was? o.o

Edit: I myself am quite guilty of this...come to think of it. I simply have absolutely ZERO patience for illiterate and unintelligent people of color on t.v. I say in the back of my head "Jesus dude...you're making your race look bad." :lol:

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This is an interesting point...I would say it probably has to do less with race and more about "minority" status. For example, a white indivdual would probably be looked upon like that by some people in an area where whites are the minority, such as Mexico or Africa.

And shouldn't this list be looked at more as a list of injustices or things to correct in society?

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

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Dude, you don't have to be a jew to be circumcised. 99.9 of all male babies born in the U.S. are circumcised. :roll:

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What? Why?
EDIT: I've just read that article. Where I live no one is circumcized, except Jews.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Trust me, yes it is. ;)

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Enjoy your dead nerve ends.

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Originally Posted by mini0991

This is an interesting point...I would say it probably has to do less with race and more about "minority" status. For example, a white indivdual would probably be looked upon like that by some people in an area where whites are the minority, such as Mexico or Africa.

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Hm, you have a point there.

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Originally Posted by mini0991

And shouldn't this list be looked at more as a list of injustices or things to correct in society?

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Debateable. The author (and I'm sure others like her) cites it as advantageous.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What? Why?
EDIT: I've just read that article. Where I live no one is circumcized, except Jews.

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Really? Wow, that's new to me...I assumed everyone was "snipped" these days :? (except of course for Jews)

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Originally Posted by Omicron

Enjoy your dead nerve ends.

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Oh I do. Every day, routinely around 5 pm ;)

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Originally Posted by Omicron

Enjoy your dead nerve ends.

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That's a harsh way to put it, but I would guess than an uncircumcised person would be less likely to become impotent becuase the organ is better protected. The only reason why jews do it is for the same reason jews dont eat pork. It is based of being clean, and healthy. Back in ancient times I bet it was incredibly easy to get your penis infected, so they thought that circumcision was good. Jews dont eat pork because pork can be hard to cook properly and can make you very sick, imagine trying to cook pork over a campfire and being super hungry.. It all ties in with being 'kosher'.

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Really? Wow, that's new to me...I assumed everyone was "snipped" these days :? (except of course for Jews)

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Why except jews? This seems like a completely backwards statement; especially since more and more parents are opting not to have their children circumsized, as it costs 50 bucks and there are not really any clear cut (c wut i did thar??) health benefits.

What date did this person write this list. EDIT: 1990 winter issue of something apparently.

18 years ago(I mean well depending on whether it was written at the beginning or end of the year).

Maybe half of the things she said were accurate then, but I find most of these claims just silly compared to today. And some of what she complained about had nothing to do with race, but instead money. Another thing which made me annoyed was the claims she was making that essentially living in a place that has a larger population of your race is somehow a privileged status... I don't see how that is but ok.


Btw, Catholics don't like to circumcise.

I personally think circumcision is wrong...mutilating a baby for no reason?

I think something like that is a big choice and should be left up to the person who it is being done to. Let boys grow up before you start performing surgeries on them that actually can wait...

And actually, in many hospitals during the time I was born you actually had to opt out of having your child circumcised if you didn't want him circumcised.

By providing those statistics I did not mean to steer this thread in a differant direction.
I could split if if you want Jeff. :P ~Snip it in two. ;)

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Why except jews? This seems like a completely backwards statement; especially since more and more parents are opting not to have their children circumsized, as it costs 50 bucks and there are not really any clear cut (c wut i did thar??) health benefits.

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Well perhaps my original thoughts regarding males being circumcised were wrong but...damn...I'm surrounded by "un-snipped" men :eek:... get back you unclean heathens!

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Originally Posted by Howie

By providing those statistics I did not mean to steer this thread in a differant direction.
I could split if if you want Jeff. :P ~Snip it in two. ;)

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Bah it's fine. Might as well let it run its course. There's no need to cut out this discussion. :P

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Well perhaps my original thoughts regarding males being circumcised were wrong but...damn...I'm surrounded by "un-snipped" men :eek:... get back you unclean heathens!

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Come to Europe.
You'll love it here.

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Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Why should I trust you? Are you a Jew?

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lulz

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What are the advantages of circumcision?

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Well, girls not being disgusted by your penis

I'm a (former) Jew and circumsized, thank god.

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Originally Posted by grasshoppa

Jews dont eat pork because pork can be hard to cook properly and can make you very sick, imagine trying to cook pork over a campfire and being super hungry.. It all ties in with being 'kosher'.

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Also because pigs roll in mud and their own shit and that's unclean. Judaism is a weird religion.

The important question IS
Do chics dig it :?:

seriously

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Originally Posted by Grod

Also because pigs roll in mud and their own shit and that's unclean. Judaism is a weird religion.

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Incidentally enough...so do rabbits. Regarding the eat their own shit part.

And the thread deteriorates into senseless banter A W E S O M E!

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And the thread deteriorates into senseless banter A W E S O M E!

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Lol.

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Originally Posted by Sandform

What date did this person write this list. EDIT: 1990 winter issue of something apparently.

18 years ago(I mean well depending on whether it was written at the beginning or end of the year).

Maybe half of the things she said were accurate then, but I find most of these claims just silly compared to today. And some of what she complained about had nothing to do with race, but instead money. Another thing which made me annoyed was the claims she was making that essentially living in a place that has a larger population of your race is somehow a privileged status... I don't see how that is but ok.


Btw, Catholics don't like to circumcise.

I personally think circumcision is wrong...mutilating a baby for no reason?

I think something like that is a big choice and should be left up to the person who it is being done to. Let boys grow up before you start performing surgeries on them that actually can wait...

And actually, in many hospitals during the time I was born you actually had to opt out of having your child circumcised if you didn't want him circumcised.

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I don't see how it's mutilation.

It has benefits, when the kid is a baby you don't have to roll his foreskin back to clean him. I'm definitely circumcizing my kid.

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I don't see how it's mutilation.

It has benefits, when the kid is a baby you don't have to roll his foreskin back to clean him. I'm definitely circumcizing my kid.

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You're cutting off a bit of him that doesn't need to be cut off. Lets all cut off babies pinkie toes! Come on guys, it will be easier to fit into shoes. It has its benefits.

I wouldn't know because I am circumcised, but uncircumcised people, and people who became circumcised later in life, say that sexual pleasure for them is greater with foreskin, and that after circumcision it is lessened dramatically. Sorry son, I know you want to enjoy sex, but when you were little I wanted it to be easier to clean you.

It is just a blood ritual some crazy people came up with, and it should be done away with imo.

A pinky toe is required to stand up, and nothing about a pinky toe makes it harder to clean the foot.

And there's no statistical data that says sexual pleasure goes "way down" when you get circumsized.

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

A pinky toe is required to stand up, and nothing about a pinky toe makes it harder to clean the foot.

And there's no statistical data that says sexual pleasure goes "way down" when you get circumsized.

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No, a pinky toe isn't required to stand up. You can still stand up without a pinky toe, and walk, in the same way you can still have sex after circumcision. The foreskin aids sexual pleasure. The pinky toe aids balance. The aid from foreskin to sexual pleasure, however, is greater than the aid to balance a pinky toe offers. Having a pinky toe does indeed cause many types of problems because people wear shoes, I said nothing about cleaning the foot, I purposely gave you the correct parallel, not the faulty one you are presenting of "cleaning the foot." You can at least learn to walk the same without a pinky toe, you can't learn to feel more pleasure without foreskin.

Why are you quoting "way down"?

It is pretty hard to do statistics on something most people have done when they are infants, so they can't compare.

They can't really do a study on adults and say anything because the age at which it was done could affect it. But there was a study done http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/69318.php which suggests that circumcision in adults does indeed decrease pleasure, in almost half of the cases.

I quoted that becazuse I'm an up and coming journalist practicing to be on fox news by misrepresenting your ideas and flat out making things up.

Anyways, you're spinning this all in inaccurate ways. The pinky is much more beneficial to th leg than you realize, and that article did not point out in dramatic changes in pleasure.

The penis gets desensitized more, but so does playing with it in general so that's not something you can avoid.

I like my foreskin. It keeps the head moist. I can't see why someone would chop off part of their dick so it would be easier to clean.

Lol. Mine is funny to play with-----
Uhm....
:)
Yah, I don't see why, Mine never really gets dirty ¬_¬

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Originally Posted by stonedape

I like my foreskin. It keeps the head moist. I can't see why someone would chop off part of their dick so it would be easier to clean.

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Infection and foul odors could easily well up in the foreskin. You should have gotten that part of your dick chopped off. Makes the sex better anyway.


Circumcised people = WIN
Uncircumcised people = odorous, unclean FAIL

:chuckle:

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Lol. Mine is funny to play with-----
Uhm....
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Yah, I don't see why, Mine never really gets dirty ¬_¬

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hurp durp

Circumsized people have less sexual satisfaction than uncircumcized people. Sadly their sexual drive doesn't go down though.

And quite a few of these people with foreskin have said it gives them no cleaning problems...

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Circumsized people have less sexual satisfaction than uncircumcized people. Sadly their sexual drive doesn't go down though.

And quite a few of these people with foreskin have said it gives them no cleaning problems...

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Why would it???
Why people make such an issue of it is beyond me.
If you say you're circumsized in Europe people will immediately think you are a Jew. Because no one does it, and no one ever complains about anything. Being uncircumsized has never given me any problems.

(Note: why is the thread title "white privilege"? What does that have to do with the thread? :))

this conversation just went to ill!! :eek:

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(Note: why is the thread title "white privilege"? What does that have to do with the thread? :))

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I enjoy sexual activity just fine without my foreskin.

Foreskin=more sense in penis.

More sense in penis=easier climax.

Easier climax=sexual sessions that are not quite so prolonged.

sexual sessions that are not quite so prolonged=less sexual pleasure for female

Less sexual pleasure for female=female not as satisfied as she'd be with circumcised man.

And we all know where that'll lead. I don't know if what I've stated above is true or not, but it is certainly something to consider.

back to topic. I think it's unfair that white people seem to have more of a priveledge. It's just culture and it will change with time.

but what i find even more stupid is this guy.

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back to topic. I think it's unfair that white people seem to have more of a priveledge. It's just culture and it will change with time.

but what i find even more stupid is this guy.

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I think you've posted this video before. That guy is an idiot and everyone that clapped are idiots too. He's just a black version of the KKK. Seriously, it's people like that that make me want to arrange fist to cheekbone meetings.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

I think you've posted this video before. That guy is an idiot and everyone that clapped are idiots too. He's just a black version of the KKK. Seriously, it's people like that that make me want to arrange fist to cheekbone meetings.

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Amen. Although in this case I think bullet to heart would be more appropriate.

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I think you've posted this video before. That guy is an idiot and everyone that clapped are idiots too. He's just a black version of the KKK. Seriously, it's people like that that make me want to arrange fist to cheekbone meetings.

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i do not believe i have posted that before.

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I think you've posted this video before. That guy is an idiot and everyone that clapped are idiots too. He's just a black version of the KKK. Seriously, it's people like that that make me want to arrange fist to cheekbone meetings.

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Originally Posted by Serkat

Metapedia is obviously wrong on this one.

May 1st is actually Exterminate White People Off Of The Face Of The Planet Day. (colloquially called EWPOOFOPD among blacks)

I have undeniable proof.




(we call this sarcasm)

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I don't know how many times it has been posted, but you would have saw it from Serkat at least once since you were involved in that thread at one time.

If white people wanted black people dead, we would have done it by now. We have all the power right? We would collaborate with the jews for funding.