Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
You know as well as I do that anyone of their own beliefs is under the impression that their government is the "best". In this respect, I suspect that most would say that they consider it "best" because they are free to judge it as "best". Hence, I highly doubt it is valid to say that someone out there is "against freedom". While we can argue political plateau's against one another, the thing is that "freedom" is closely tied to the benefits and ethics attached to government. This is the crux of political debate usually and why "terrorism" is so difficult to define because of it's obvious relative and subjective nature which is so commonly given a mask of truth.
I didn't ask you what type of government is the best. I asked you what other type of freedom oriented government there is. I don't mean the mere freedom to judge a government inside their heads.

If the people do not rule, are they free?

Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
He is saying that he wants to fight back - not fight freedom. I don't get your point here. It's almost as though you are really mis-representing what he is saying. He feels that he was attacked and his country offended, thus, he is attacking in turn.
The answer is way longer than that. He talks at first about how our infidels are on their ethnocentric holy land, but then he gets into how we allow stock trade, female models, legal alcohol, investment interest, not having the Koran as a law book, and all kinds of other things. He says that the "Islamic nation" will not call off their war on us until we give up all of those things and other freedoms.

Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
You realize you are just about to argue over politics and ethics? Come on, we both know that, even though it may make sense to you, there is obvious disagreement about many political plateau's. Also, no single government is "perfect" or "absolutely free" etc. etc.
I stand by my point. By fighting against this "evil" that is "democracy", the scummy nut bags are fighting against freedom. What they want is not freedom, and what they are against is freedom. Freedom exists only in democracy and anarchy (no government).

I am not at all saying any government is perfect. I didn't even come close to that. I said that democracy is the only freedom oriented form of government there is. A democratic republic is also a republican democracy, by the way. If the people don't have the power to vote their law makers in and out of office, they are not free. If you disagree, I would be interested in knowing why. The insurgents die in the name of preventing the only free category of government. They are therefore against freedom.